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 == Big Boo (character) ==
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 [[Talk:King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)#Big Boss Boo|A while back]], I floated the idea of merging [[King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)]] to Big Boo here based off various evidence, namely the Japanese "Boss Teresa" name and the ''Super Mario Pia'' guidebook outright treating SM64 Big Boo and SMS King Boo as the same boss. I realize now, however, the opposite should be done: the "Boss Teresa" instances on ''this'' page (SM64, early ''Mario Party'' series, ''Mario Pinball Land'' maybe) should be split off into a "Big Boo (character)" article and merged with SMS King Boo. The English localizations had a bad habit of using the name "Big Boo" when it arguably shouldn't, and while the "Boss Teresa" is indeed a big Boo, it differs from the standard "Big Boo" enemy about as much as [[Mega Goomba (boss)]] (ie, "Boss Kuribo") differs from [[Big Goomba]] (note how the ''Pia'' description does ''not'' list appearances of Atomic/Deka Teresa as the same as them). I have a draft of the page [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick/Projects/Boss Teresa|here]], but it is still a work-in-progress, namely on figuring out whether the ''Mario Party'' (1) and ''Mario Pinball Land'' sections should be there.
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 Update: Thanks to the efforts of {{user|LinkTheLefty}}, we now have {{media link|MP1 Gas Boss Teresa name proof.jpg|proof that "Gas Boss Teresa" is an official name for the ''Mario Party'' one}}. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:06, April 23, 2024 (EDT)
+== Split "Big Boo (character)" ==
+{{TPP}}
+Please read the above section and [https://www.marioboards.com/threads/47386/#post-2369256 my forum post here] in case I forget any details. Also, a demo of the intended page can be seen [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick/Projects/Boss Teresa|here]], so please give that a look-see.
+So this is a character we have long overlooked, distinct from normal Big Boos. The "Boss Teresa" as it is primarily known in Japanese (with occasional ''precise'' wording differences, like how Sir Kibble in Kirby is sometimes called Lord/"Load" Kibble in some games regardless of language) is intended not just as any large Boo, but as a leader figure (whose role in the setting has since been displaced by the more famous [[King Boo]]).
+The ''Super Mario Pia'' guidebook confirms that the "housemaster" Big Boo from ''Super Mario 64'' and the "casino glam" King Boo from ''Super Mario Sunshine'' are the same character, ''Bosu Teresa'', a name also attributed to the one in ''Mario Pinball Land'' (where he again appears alongside Petey Piranha). That name is also present in prototype materials for ''Double Dash!'', indicating that the "King Boo" there was designed as a hybrid of the SM64 and ''Sunshine'' designs before being renamed to the separate LM character at the last minute (explaining that particular design change), though ''64 DS'' shows they're (probably) not the same as each other. Additionally, the alternate name for the first appearance, ''Oyakata Teresa'' (both in-game, btw) is also used in ''Mario Party 2'' and ''4''. A variant of the ''Bosu Teresa'' name, ''Gasu Bosu Teresa'', is used for the gaseous version from the first ''Mario Party'' (which may need further split later). The main wrench here is ''Pinball Land'', as due to inconsistent sources (a similar situation existing for the [[Egyptian Koopa]]), it has the alternate JP name of ''Biggu Teresa'', which is more in-line with ''Yoshi's Island'' bosses and is shared with the "Terrorize" Big Boo from ''Super Mario RPG'' (a sharing that, given that being an extremely minor detail in that game's manual and Nintendo's general avoidance of using RPG things outside of that Geno cameo at the time, is almost certainly a coincidence). Anyways, now that that lengthy explanation (better organized in the forum post '''''please read it if you haven't''''') is out of the way, I'll lay this out more simply.
+*The following will be included on the page:
+**''Super Mario 64'' - boss only, not the sized-up normal Boo object in the castle hall and also containing the cage in the courtyard
+**''Mario Party'' - [[Running of the Bulb]] subject only, not the large-ish normal Boos in other minigames
+**''Mario Party 2'' - Map character in Horror Land only, not the large Boos seen in a few minigames that are treated as normal Boos
+**'''OPTIONAL:''' ''Super Mario Sunshine'' - The ''Pia'' guide is pretty specific that the big-tongue'd King Boo is the same as the SM64 Big Boo, and that both are different from the other large Boos in the series. Regardless, I know this one will be a point of contention for some, so I'm including an option to leave it out.
+**''Mario Party 4'' - Boo's Haunted Bash map character only (he's blue. Callback to SMW, or just a different icon color?)
+**''Mario Pinball Land'' - Given it's a pinball-themed followup to both SM64 and SMSun anyway, it makes sense regardless of the inconsistent name
+Any other random iteration of Big Boo that is treated as a specific character in the series will '''not''' be included, nor will anything on the main [[King Boo]] page. This is for the "Boss Teresa" and variations only. This should help ease the overly long "names in other languages" section of this page by a few items.
+I know that this is probably going to be unpopular for at least some people, but we probably wouldn't be having this conversation at all if Nintendo of America hadn't fallen back on using "Big Boo" so often in the early-to-mid nineties. (Seriously, they called ''normal'' Boos that in games that ''already'' had actually big Boos!)
+'''Proposer''': {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}}<br>
+'''Deadline''': May 8th, 2024, 23:59 GMT
+===Support - and merge with [[King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)]]===
+#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per.
+===Support - but keep separate from [[King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)]]===
+===Oppose===
+===Comments===