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I know that this'll need a proposal, but as usual I want to test the waters with a discussion first. I think these should be re-merged for a number of reasons. Yes, they looks different, but ultimately that means diddly-squat, lots of things get redesigned, and this was merely a thematic one. Furthermore, it seems wrong to have a page for [[Micro Mecha-Bowser]], an ostensible small counterpart, and not for the boss itself. And while the amount they have in common is also really low, the same can be said for many boss counterparts in the game (e.g. Topmaniac and Tarantox). Additionally, the "he's a planet, not a boss" argument is also flawed; all reasons for that can also be applied to Megaleg. All he does is move his limbs (which must be climbed on through their own gravity) while normal enemies attack, and must be damaged on the very top to destroy it, leaving only the ground it stands on as a planet - just like Megaleg. Not only that, but "standing in place, moving his arms like an idiot, and only attacking through fire and enemies" is ''exactly'' what ''Sunshine''{{'}}s Mecha-Bowser did. It was less a "robot" and more of a mech (ie a glorified ''vehicle''), so the likelihood of SMG's not being sentient is also moot (and, you know, neither are Megahammer and the Boomsday Machine). Additionally, he has his own completely unique theme music, which discounting the Gateway and Galaxy Reactor galaxies (ie, ''plot-crucial'' locations), doesn't happen for planets. And, perhaps most importantly, the name is the same in both English and Japanese. While the "[[Mecha Bowser]]" in ''Mario Kart'' is almost certainly a guide-misidentified Bowser Statue, the JP SMG calling this "Mecha Koopa" is likely the only reason Micro Mecha-Bowsers ''aren't'' Mechakoopas; the name was already given to something, and if that something was new, why would it take priority over the recurring enemy in that regard when it would be more logical and consistent with other bosses to just have the boss one be "Boss Mecha Koopa" or something like that? Recall ''Sunshine'' didn't ''have'' normal Mechakoopas, so distinguishing the boss from them then wasn't an issue. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:01, January 22, 2021 (EST) | I know that this'll need a proposal, but as usual I want to test the waters with a discussion first. I think these should be re-merged for a number of reasons. Yes, they looks different, but ultimately that means diddly-squat, lots of things get redesigned, and this was merely a thematic one. Furthermore, it seems wrong to have a page for [[Micro Mecha-Bowser]], an ostensible small counterpart, and not for the boss itself. And while the amount they have in common is also really low, the same can be said for many boss counterparts in the game (e.g. Topmaniac and Tarantox). Additionally, the "he's a planet, not a boss" argument is also flawed; all reasons for that can also be applied to Megaleg. All he does is move his limbs (which must be climbed on through their own gravity) while normal enemies attack, and must be damaged on the very top to destroy it, leaving only the ground it stands on as a planet - just like Megaleg. Not only that, but "standing in place, moving his arms like an idiot, and only attacking through fire and enemies" is ''exactly'' what ''Sunshine''{{'}}s Mecha-Bowser did. It was less a "robot" and more of a mech (ie a glorified ''vehicle''), so the likelihood of SMG's not being sentient is also moot (and, you know, neither are Megahammer and the Boomsday Machine). Additionally, he has his own completely unique theme music, which discounting the Gateway and Galaxy Reactor galaxies (ie, ''plot-crucial'' locations), doesn't happen for planets. And, perhaps most importantly, the name is the same in both English and Japanese. While the "[[Mecha Bowser]]" in ''Mario Kart'' is almost certainly a guide-misidentified Bowser Statue, the JP SMG calling this "Mecha Koopa" is likely the only reason Micro Mecha-Bowsers ''aren't'' Mechakoopas; the name was already given to something, and if that something was new, why would it take priority over the recurring enemy in that regard when it would be more logical and consistent with other bosses to just have the boss one be "Boss Mecha Koopa" or something like that? Recall ''Sunshine'' didn't ''have'' normal Mechakoopas, so distinguishing the boss from them then wasn't an issue. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:01, January 22, 2021 (EST) | ||
:It most certainly does ''not'' mean diddly squat that the design is completely different. While a change in design does not warrant a split in all scenarios, that doesn't mean it's irrelevant. [[Chet Rippo]], for instance looks completely different in his two appearances, but they still have the same function, meaning it's not just another character with the same name. ''SMG'' Mecha-Bowser not only looks nothing like Mecha-Bowser (or for that matter, Bowser in general), they have hardly anything in common whatsoever outside of being robots. Also, your flimsy attempt to compare them by mentioning that they're both "standing in place, moving his arms like an idiot, and only attacking through fire and enemies" sounds more like a desperate reach for a connection than genuine shared traits. The ways they attack with "fire and enemies" are ''completely different''. ''Sunshine'' Mecha-Bowser breathes streams of fire and launches [[Bullet Bill]]s out of built-in cannons while ''Galaxy'' Mecha-Bowser just has a [[Fire Bar]] on him and a small cannon in a cage on his head (his mouth, I guess...?) that shoots fireballs and enemies just happen to be patrolling his body. That's a flimsy comparison ''at best''. As for them having the same names in English and Japanese, so do [[Ice Mario]] and [[Ice Mario (Super Mario Galaxy)|Ice Mario]], and they're not the same thing either. Plain old [[Mechakoopa]]s also have the same Japanese name as the two Mecha-Bowsers, so clearly the name isn't sacred to them. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 22:02, January 22, 2021 (EST) | |||