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Welcome to the PipeProjects talk. Feel free to discuss the PipeProjects system, or get feedback on a new PipeProject idea before formally proposing it.

Wikitables PipeProject?[edit]

(You probably saw us asking about this coming.) Out of curiosity, and just to gauge interest, is there anybody else who would be explicitly interested in joining a PipeProject for Wikitables? We've actually drafted a whole entire proposal to actually create the thing, too, but didn't want to put it to vote just yet, in case anyone was interested in joining the thing from the start.

Create a PipeProject for Improving Wikitables
Icon of an item from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Nintendo Switch)

(Careful, we're only more-or-less codifying how to convert a proposal to a PipeProject from scratch here...)

For the past 8-or-9 months or so, we've been working on implementing our own proposal from... Well, 8-or-9 months or so ago, rolling out the proper series coloration to every game's page. This has pretty rapidly increased from "just giving series coloration" to "making sure every table properly uses the wikitable class in the first place, that they adhere to the standards for table design, writing said standards for table design as nobody had thought to do that, and making sure that a few other proposals related to tables are being properly upheld. We're approaching the end of our first pass-over of every game, and a few thoughts have blipped in our mind, of varying coherence:

  • What about the alternative media? All that time ago, we expressly left those on the backburner, to be determined at a later date, just so every single piece of alternative media, from albums to manga wasn't given a singular homogenized golden color. That'll take consulting at least a few people to figure out the best colors before even putting it to vote.
  • Man, there's some tables we'd probably have done differently if we didn't only learn Regex around the games released in 2015 or so.
  • It sure would be nice to have one big progress bar for everything...
  • Oh, right, that proposal exists... We only got told about it around the games released in 1995 or so.
  • It'd be really nice to have a dedicated spot on the Discord for asking for input, so we don't just clog the #wiki-editing channel every other day with our shenanigans.

With the PipeProjects resurrection proposed and passed, a lot of these thoughts have gone from vaguely-coherent to something actually actionable, pretty quickly. So, enough of being a little silly in tone, here's our actual gameplan for what we're dubbing PipeProject:Wikitables:

  • The mission briefing is simple: Bring all of the main tables up to the standards provided in the Table Style Guide.
    • We're presently going through each game, year-by-year, until we have finally done a proper pass of every game's table. (We are currently on 2019 as of writing this proposal, and by the time it concludes, we'll likely either be on 2020 or 2021.) (Yes, as of now, basically all of these, with a few exceptions, have been just by us.)
    • After every table has received one pass, we will do a second pass to make everything adhere to the standards we only truly codified later into the process, and to help with parity when applicable. We'll also make sure other proposals related to tables, such as the one to re-organize enemy variants, are being properly implemented. Some tables won't need any alterations! Some might need multiple.
    • After this, we will determine how to handle tables for alternative media. Depending on how this all goes, we'll need to coordinate that particular effort as well.
    • Lastly, we would like to make sure, once and for all, that every table on mainspace is properly utilizing the wikitable class. There are plenty of stragglers out there that don't quite follow the format that we've encountered, and there are almost certainly more out there. This one's gonna take a while, and that's saying something.
  • As of right now, we're the sole person planning on working on this, and by proxy, we'll be the only ones in the PipeProject to start with. That being said, like with all PipeProjects, we're more than willing to take recruitment. Whether you're just giving input (in fact, especially if you're just giving input, the more eyes we have on these, the easier it is to pick out any potential issues with them), or want to help out come the second pass-through, we'll gladly take all the help we can get. By voting, you do not have to join the PipeProject itself if it gets made! That is its own separate process!
  • And, yes, on the PipeProjects page itself, we will, indeed, have a Great Big Progress Bar. We've actually created it already (in the form of, what else, a table), and even shared glimpses of it in the Discord before. In case you missed it or aren't on the Discord, though, here's a snippet of it in its current state:
Great Big Progress Bar of Wikitables
Decade Year
1980s — 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989
1990s 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999
2000s 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009
2010s 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019
2020s 2020 2021 2022 2023 2024 2025 2026 — — —
Key
  • Gold means that we have done two passes on every game; they are, without a doubt, representative of what we want out of these tables.
  • Green means that we have done a single pass on every game; there may be some tables we have since come to feel are less-than-ideal, or don't fully meet our standards we only codified later on.
  • Blue means that we have done work on that year, but some game there still eludes us.
  • Plain means that we have not touched the year whatsoever, or it isn't a valid year (yet.)

Relevant unimplemented proposals are as follows:

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Revamp colorful tables, Camwoodstock (ended August 14, 2025)

If anyone has any feedback on the proposal draft, or if they'd be interested in joining this PipeProject once it exists, let us know! If we don't hear anything particularly strong, we'll probably propose it anyways, just in the interest in formalizing our own long-term plans. Camwoodstock-sigicon.png~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) Camwoodstock-sigicon2.png 06:29, June 3, 2026 (UTC)

The colour-coded list of years with coverage does appear weirdly in dark mode, where the colour in the legend and the colour in the chart are different. --Illuminoid (talk) 13:41, June 6, 2026 (UTC)
We did that mostly for our own sake; doing fully accurate colors causes the Blue color especially to be a bit annoying to read on dark mode. Camwoodstock-sigicon.png~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) Camwoodstock-sigicon2.png 15:57, June 6, 2026 (UTC)
I know (and I've seen) for a long while how interested and dedicated Cam is in this subject! I'm even already kinda helping with my updated Mario Kart 8 Deluxe character table (also yes, I know I haven't touched it in a while but I might get back to it soon). Needless to say I'm interested in joining this PipeProject! Black Yoshi from Mario Kart Tour Yoshi18 (talk/contribs) 13:52, June 6, 2026 (UTC)
Would you be willing to call the project "PipeProject Tables"? I've always regarded the term "wikitables" with disfavor because it is redundant. Every table is on the wiki, after all. B700465189a9 (talk) 19:05, June 6, 2026 (UTC)
I mean, "wikitable" is the specific name, and it avoids confusion with Table, which is extremely unlikely, though. --Illuminoid (talk) 19:36, June 6, 2026 (UTC)
A bit delayed, but we think "Wikitable" is a more than fine code-name. It is the name of the CSS class that the tables use, and one of the things we're seeking to fix is to make sure each table is properly using that class. ;P Camwoodstock-sigicon.png~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) Camwoodstock-sigicon2.png 05:13, June 20, 2026 (UTC)

Some questions[edit]

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The current header for PipeProjects does not state anything about who can join. In my opinion, editors without an account should not be able to join PipeProjects. It is unusual for the wiki to allow anonymous users to join things like this. Non-autoconfirmed users are also typically disallowed from joining things like this. I understand that we should be open to anyone joining, but sometimes exceptions need to be made, like proposals.

Are users allowed to add their reasoning and/or comments to their entry on the list of contributors like how one can add those to votes on proposals? Are users allowed to remove themselves from a PipeProject's list of contributors? What if a PipeProject member is blocked or their account is deleted? I assume this all works like it does on proposals and nominations for featuring/unfeaturing articles.

Do we acknowledge failed PipeProjects on the list of PipeProjects? In the future, it may be helpful to know if a PipeProject has already been proposed. --Illuminoid (talk) 20:15, June 6, 2026 (UTC)

I think the failed PipeProjects is there to remind users about the ideas that were rejected, otherwise people will suggest ideas that they did not know the consensus rejected. Not sure about reasoning with users, they just put their names there so other members can network them about the project easily. I think that a staff member or whoever should also decide to remove their names if they are inactive or blocked. Non-autoconfirmed users joining PipeProjects should be discussed though because I really want to know how the community handles them, I believe non-autoconfirmed users should not be added on the list since they are just numbers that their intent is ambiguous. Derekblue1(talk)Daisy Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga-styled sprite 13:11, June 18, 2026 (UTC)

PipeProject Comics[edit]

I have seen an editor put a lot of effort into adding content to Super Mario-kun two years ago. Although the content has a lot that has yet to be finished like Super Mario 4koma theater I think is the name that has several broken links. The comics project is obscure since the community is busy with catching up with the gaming content and they have done an amazing job. Derekblue1(talk)Daisy Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga-styled sprite 12:57, June 18, 2026 (UTC)

Pretty sure you're talking about @Mariuigi Khed Black Yoshi from Mario Kart Tour Yoshi18 (talk/contribs) 14:45, June 18, 2026 (UTC)
Hi. Yeah, you're probably talking about me: I'm the main editor of the Mario-kun and KC Mario pages. I'm a bit on hold with kun until I catch with KC so I can do both arcs simultaneously and, luckily for you... I'm literally one volume away from accomplishing that. My avatar's face to use in the signature Mariuigi Khed 15:10, June 18, 2026 (UTC)
I'll also take the opportunity to properly update eventual manga sections in each involved subjects' article pages, so we don't have barebones info (or none at all) for those. My avatar's face to use in the signature Mariuigi Khed 15:12, June 18, 2026 (UTC)
Awesome! At this point, do you think PipeProject Comics are necessary anymore?
Edit: Actually I dunno if this should be a question. We also have Super Mario 4koma Manga Theater stuff out there to be created. Derekblue1(talk)Daisy Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga-styled sprite 03:57, June 20, 2026 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do on that front too. After all, KC Mario ends with Yoshi's Story (which is two arcs of distance from where I am), plus various missing chapters I'm slowly collecting when possible. I could add "Manga Theater" to the "To do" list right after KC. My avatar's face to use in the signature Mariuigi Khed 08:33, June 20, 2026 (UTC)

PipeProject People[edit]

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Before jumping the gun, I am seeing a lot of broken links and all of them happen to be mostly real people who worked with Nintendo or other partnered companies. Would having a PipeProject page about people be needed? Derekblue1(talk)Daisy Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga-styled sprite 04:00, June 20, 2026 (UTC)

I'd say it's largely unnecessary, if all of what you're doing is just trying to fill in red links and create pages up to standards of other pages. Sprite of Mario's icon in Mario Party DS It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 01:54, August 8, 2026 (UTC)
I feel like half the red links in the template shouldn't even be there in the first place. The largest ammount of red links comes from sound engineers/composers and actors, and in the case of the former, it can be traced back to one user giving that section a frankly unreasonable amount of attention by adding dozens of names with very few credits that are very low on the priority list. I am so close to removing them entirely, honestly. — Lady Sophie_17 Wiggler Sophie.png(T|C) 02:28, August 8, 2026 (UTC)
After looking through the current links without articles, I would say that only Daichi Ishihara, Daisuke Matsuoka, Hajime Wakai, Kenichi Nishimaki, Masaru Tajima, Megumi Inoue, Robin Beanland, Sayako Doi, Taiju Suzuki, Yasushi Ida, and Yukio Kaneoka are worth considering a gap in the wiki's coverage. For reference, these are the current composers and sound engineers listed and their credits:
I did not investigate each artist deeply, so I may have omitted some credits in my list. B700465189a9 (talk) 03:55, August 8, 2026 (UTC)

Add a link to PipeProjects to the sidebar?[edit]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask for this, but it'd be nice to have. I need more wrenches... Dive Rocket Launcher 13:28, June 22, 2026 (UTC)

We're frankly surprised this wasn't done yet. We think you would need to ask @Porplemontage. Uh, emphasis on the tense of "would", since we just pinged him, of course. ;P Camwoodstock-sigicon.png~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) Camwoodstock-sigicon2.png 17:21, June 22, 2026 (UTC)
Update for the historians, the link was added. Salmancer (talk) 19:36, June 23, 2026 (UTC)

Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle treasure chest images[edit]

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Over at my sandbox I have amassed a large collection of screenshots showing locations for treasure chests in Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle. My original intention was, of course, to use them in an eventual List of treasure chests in Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle, but that project has indefinitely stalled, and many of the screenshots had been lying in my userspace virtually unused for almost a decade. I have slowed down my activity on this site and I do not have the energy to resume this specific project.

I was wondering if I could, somehow or someway, use the PipeProject grounds as some sort of commons on this wiki where I could just dump these screenshots in case someone ever needs them. I figure that would be better for their visibility than some rando's seldom-accessed userpage. Note: I don't have screenshots for all chests in the game, but a good majority of them nonetheless (specifically, I've got screenshots for all chests in Ancient Gardens, Sherbet Desert, and Lava Pit). -- KOOPA CON CARNE 19:21, August 5, 2026 (UTC)

I'm not sure if visibility will be improved with a pipeproject. For Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle images you could probably link your images through the talk page for that game. Sprite of Mario's icon in Mario Party DS It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 01:53, August 8, 2026 (UTC)
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