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Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • "Vote" periods last for one week.
  • Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so (not, e.g., "I like this idea!").
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

How to

Rules

  1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.
  2. Only registered, autoconfirmed users can create, comment in, or vote on proposals and talk page proposals. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
  3. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for writing guidelines and talk page proposals, which run for two weeks (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  7. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
  8. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  9. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week. Proposals with more than two options must also be extended another week if any single option does not have a majority support: i.e. more than half of the total number of voters must appear in a single voting option, rather than one option simply having more votes than the other options.
  10. If a proposal with only two voting options has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail with a margin of at least three votes, otherwise the deadline will be extended for another week as if no majority was reached at all.
  11. Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
  12. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
  14. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation (six days for talk page proposals). However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
  15. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  16. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
  17. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  18. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal and support/oppose format

This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created (14 for writing guidelines and talk page proposals), at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "June 9, 2024, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".

Talk page proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled talk page proposals, see MarioWiki:Proposals/TPP archive and Category:Settled talk page proposals.

Rules

  1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}.
  2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How to" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
  3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.
  5. When a talk page proposal passes, it should be removed from this list and included in the list under the "Unimplemented proposals" section until the proposed changes have been enacted.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Split Mario Kart Tour character variants into list articles, Tails777 (ended May 4, 2022)
Establish a standard for long course listings in articles for characters/enemies/items/etc., Koopa con Carne (ended June 8, 2023)
Add tabbers to race/battle course articles, GuntherBB (ended November 18, 2023)
Merge Super Mario Bros. (film) subjects with their game counterparts, JanMisali (ended April 18, 2024)
Remove profiles and certain other content related to the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia from the wiki, Koopa con Carne (ended April 30, 2024)
Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Consider "humorous" and other related terms as frequently misused in MarioWiki:Good writing, DrippingYellow (ended May 26, 2024)
  • ^Note: Requires action from admins.

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Add product IDs in game infoboxes, Windy (ended March 18, 2023)
Convert the lists of episode appearances for television series characters into categories, Camwoodstock (ended November 22, 2023)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Split Mario's Time Machine (Nintendo Entertainment System), or the Super Nintendo Entertainment version along with both console versions of Mario is Missing!, LinkTheLefty (ended April 11, 2024)
Remove non-Super Mario content from Super Smash Bros. series challenges articles, BMfan08 (ended May 3, 2024)
Split Cheep Blimp (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door) and Zeeppelin from the blimp page, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended May 28, 2024)

List of Talk Page Proposals

Writing Guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Separating confirmed and possible generic-looking character appearances

This proposal is based on discussions on Toad's talk page, where LinkTheLefty (talk) expressed concern about the page covering games where it is only assumed that THE Toad is involved, but not confirmed. Assumptions are best avoided on a fact-based wiki like ours, but assuming things like the briefly playable Toad in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga is THE Toad isn't unreasonable, and outright removing the information is likely to make it look there's gaps in our coverage, confusing or even frustrating readers. Furthermore, moving the info to the overal species page would be less than ideal when we're talking about specific Toad individuals, and making new articles for every not-THE-Toad character is also far less efficient than simply leaving the information on the perfectly good page we have for our established recurring specific Toad individual (whom everyone assumes is all the unnamed Toads anyway).

Fortunately, we are allowed to make interpretations as long as they are "straightforward and logical [...] and explicitly stated to be "implied"", so as long as we're clear about what's confirmed and what's not, it's perfectly within current regulations to leave that info on the Toad character page. It just needs to be reorganized a bit, and for that I propose the creation of a Possible appearances section, which would come after History and start out with a brief discussion about the confusion over appearances and then cover all the unconfirmed stuff in fully fleshed-out sections with headers (just like History; as opposed to using a table, although {{Main}} could still be used in addition to some text to link to the species page depending on the exact situation). For Toad, this would mean moving a number of sections from History to the new section, and merging any extra info found in the current "Confusion with appearances" section.

And the reason why this is a mainspace Proposal and not a TPP is because Toad isn't the only generic-looking character with confused appearance history: numerous other characters like Kamek or Yoshi could potentially benefit from "Possible appearances" sections. So rather than just proposing this new organization for Toad's page, I'm seeking approval for the system as a whole as a way to deal with this sort of appearance ambiguity, past, present and future.

Proposer: Walkazo (talk)
Deadline: May 31, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Walkazo (talk) - Per proposal and the Toad talk page. Keep the information on likely yet unconfirmed appearances on the character page, but move it to a new "Possible appearances" section, rather than leaving it in the regular History.
  2. Tails777 (talk) Per Walkazo
  3. Baby Luigi (talk) Per proposal. THE Toad character is always just an ambiguous thing: I've heard somewhere that the playable Toad in Mario Kart and whatnot is actually never intended to be a standalone character but localizations characterize and singularize this one Toad. Same with Yoshi and Kamek. I think making a "Possible Appearances" section would clear up some of the cloudy mess that are in this characters and possibly resolve any conflict regarding if this Toad that appears is THE Toad or not.
  4. Ninelevendo (talk) The Possible Apperances section would help heaps. The Blue Toad from 3D Land or SMB2 is a prime example.
  5. Yoshi876 (talk) Per proposal.
  6. Dashbot (talk) Per all.
  7. Stonehill (talk) Per all.
  8. Mario (talk) If only Nintendo would bother to give these kinds of people a less generic appearance. Sounds like a plan, though, 'kazo.
  9. Jazama (talk) Per all.
  10. Ghost Jam (talk) Per all. Only concern is that this might open up articles to certain degrees of unreasonable yet difficult to refute fantheories. Even as I type that, I can't think of any specific examples off hand, but it's something to keep in mind while building these new sections.
  11. Mario4Ever (talk) Per all.

Oppose

Comments

List Mario Party Minigames in which a certain enemy appears

I've been looking at the Mario Party: Island Tour subheading for the Goomba page, and yet it only states that they appear in various minigames. That was a real bummer to me, because I wanted to know what minigames Goombas appear in other than Git Along, Goomba!, Match Faker, Starring Artist, and Tap Dash.

The only reason why this is a Writing Guideline Proposal and not a TPP is because the Goomba isn't the only page with this problem. This is the same reason why I proposed this in the first place. Pages such as Koopa Troopa and Shy Guy have the same coincidence. Therefore, I would like to propose that, for enemies that appear in excessive minigames for just one game in the Mario Party series, either a list is made for all minigames in which the enemy appears in with a lot of detail as to the role of the enemy, or simply state that "it appeared in various minigames".

Should the proposal pass on one option, users may take action accordingly, but must ask for permission to do so.

Proposer: Stonehill (talk)
Deadline: May 31, 2014, 23:59 GMT.

List the minigames the enemy appears in with detail

  1. Stonehill (talk) In my opinion, the whole purpose of the wiki's Mario Party subheadings is to list exactly which enemies appear in certain minigames, since these pages themselves don't provide that info. Per the proposal.
  2. Mario (talk) Just as long as it doesn't unfeature articles in the future, I won't mind more comprehensive coverage on Mario Party minigames, just so the details aren't excessive.

Simply state that the enemy "appears in various minigames"

Make No Standard

  1. Randombob-omb4761 (talk) NO, they would both be pointless and confusing, it looks fine the way it is.

Comments

The way I'm interpreting it, you want a literal list of minigame appearances? Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:14, 24 May 2014 (EDT)

Yes, exactly the way you mentioned it, but still feel free to make suggestions. Stonehill (talk) 21:31, 24 May 2014 (EDT)
The way Chain Chomp does it is pretty much a list of appearances, but with more detail. What do you think about it? Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:37, 24 May 2014 (EDT)
Okay, I understand. Let me reword the proposal. Stonehill (talk) 22:21, 24 May 2014 (EDT)

Okay, I'm settled: I don't believe this has to be a standard. It's just that people aren't willing to document every appearance for each enemy for every minigame. I fear that, enacted or not, this proposal won't change much, so maybe it's not needed, and you can start adding information right away. Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 01:57, 25 May 2014 (EDT)

I don't know that it's an unwillingness so much as it's a big job that no one has really taken the initiative to tackle yet. Or that it might not be obvious that it needs to be done, given that Chain Chomp is currently the only article that does it to any volume. In either case, I agree with a twist on the notion of it not needing to be a standard. It should be standard to look into if adding a section detailing appearances is feasible, given either the abundance or lack of appearances. The "not be a standard" part happens on either end of the spectrum. I think Stonehill's proposal is a decent way to explain this middle ground. Not (currently) going to submit a formal vote, as I don't see an option that really covers this middle ground, the voting options are currently "yes, yes kinda and no". -- Shyghost.PNGChrisShyghost.PNG 06:44, 25 May 2014 (EDT)
Okay, I see where you're headed. Anyways, I'm creating test pages for the enemies to make it look as detailed as the Chain Chomp one. Once I'm finished, you can view them here, here, and here. Maybe then, you can understand the direction I'm going. Stonehill (talk) 15:47, 25 May 2014 (EDT)
"No one has really taken initiative to tackle yet" is basically an euphemism for "not now, I don't feel like it, I don't have the time" a.k.a. not willing. Look, I'm not willing either, I'll straight up say it. But again, you can do what I did to Chain Chomp, and nobody is going to bat an eyelid. Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 16:45, 26 May 2014 (EDT)
Why didn't you just DIY instead of making a proposal? People later on will copy you. - Ninelevendo's Sig Image 16:58, 26 May 2014 (EDT)
Precedents aren't that powerful. Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:34, 26 May 2014 (EDT)
I prefer to assume the best of our userbase when making assertions about why this or that hasn't been done. All evidence suggests that this hasn't happened due to a lack understanding that it needs to be looked into for articles, rather than a mass shrug from editors. I agree that, at this point, we can safely skip the proposal and just add the sections, then go from there. -- Shyghost.PNGChrisShyghost.PNG 22:16, 26 May 2014 (EDT)

I'm confused, do you want to do it like: Goomba appears in this game, this game, this game, this game, and this game, or did you want to do a bullet point list? --Waluigi's head icon in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 17:47, 26 May 2014 (EDT)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's like Goombas also appeared in Mario Party: Island Tour in five minigames; Goomba Tower Takedown you get the point. - Ninelevendo's Sig Image 18:00, 26 May 2014 (EDT)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.

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