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'''V1'''
===Gender===
===Gender===
In the Japanese version of ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'', Vivian is an ''[[Wikipedia:Otokonoko|otoko no ko]]'', a Japanese concept roughly comparable to the Western concept of a cross-dresser or drag queen. Other characters, as well as narrative text, describe Vivian using masculine terms such as ''otoko'' "man", and ''otōto'' "little brother". However, Vivian initially describes the Shadow Sirens as ''san shimai'' "three sisters", and routinely uses the feminine first person pronoun ''atai''. In ''Super Paper Mario'', Vivian's Catch Card explicitly describes her using the term ''otoko no ko''.
In the Japanese version of ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'', Vivian is an ''[[Wikipedia:Otokonoko|otoko no ko]]'', a Japanese concept roughly comparable to the Western concept of a cross-dresser or drag queen. Other characters, as well as narrative text, describe Vivian using masculine terms such as ''otoko'' "man", and ''otōto'' "little brother".<ref name="Japanese boggly"/><ref name="Japanese tattle"/><ref name="Japanese menu"/><ref name="Japanese Goom Goom"/> However, Vivian initially describes the Shadow Sirens as ''san shimai'' "three sisters",<ref name="Japanese boggly"/> and routinely uses the feminine first person pronoun ''atai''. In ''Super Paper Mario'', Vivian's Catch Card explicitly describes her using the term ''otoko no ko''.<ref name="Japanese SPM"/>
 
In the English and German localizations of the game, all masculine descriptions of Vivian are removed, and she is referred to with exclusively female pronouns. Consequently, the nature of some of Beldam's insults towards Vivian was altered, as they originally focused on her masculinity. Other localized versions of the game retain aspects of the ''otoko no ko'' portrayal with some localizations, such as the Italian version, going further and making the character fully transgender.<ref name="French"/><ref name="Spanish"/><ref name="Italian"/>
 
'''V2'''
 
===Gender===
In the Japanese version of ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'', Vivian is an ''[[Wikipedia:Otokonoko|otoko no ko]]'', a Japanese concept roughly comparable to the Western concept of a cross-dresser or drag queen. Other characters, as well as narrative text, describe Vivian using masculine terms such as ''otoko'' "man", and ''otōto'' "little brother".<ref name="Japanese boggly"/><ref name="Japanese tattle"/><ref name="Japanese menu"/><ref name="Japanese Goom Goom"/> However, Vivian initially describes the Shadow Sirens as ''san shimai'' "three sisters",<ref name="Japanese boggly"/> and routinely uses the feminine first person pronoun ''atai''. In ''Super Paper Mario'', Vivian's Catch Card explicitly describes her using the term ''otoko no ko''.<ref name="Japanese SPM"/>
 
In the English and German localizations of the game, all masculine descriptions of Vivian are removed, and she is referred to with exclusively female pronouns. Consequently, the nature of some of Beldam's insults towards Vivian was altered, as they originally focused on her masculinity. Other localized versions of the game retain aspects of the ''otoko no ko'' portrayal.<ref name="French"/><ref name="Spanish"/> In particular, the Italian localization team opted to portray Vivian as transgender and altered the relevant dialogue slightly to have Vivian display pride rather than shame at her decision to present herself as a female.<ref name="DiMarcoessay">Francesca Di Marco. [http://www.fti.uab.es/tradumatica/revista/num5/articles/06/06central.htm Cultural Localization: Orientation and Disorientation in Japanese Video Games]. Retrieved September 27, 2016.</ref><ref name="Italian"/>
 
==References==


In the English and German localizations of the game, all masculine descriptions of Vivian are removed, and she is referred to with exclusively female pronouns. Consequently, the nature of some of Beldam's insults towards Vivian was altered, as they originally focused on her masculinity. Other localized versions of the game retain aspects of the ''otoko no ko'' portrayal with some localizations, such as the Italian version, going further and making the character fully transgender.
<references>
<ref name="Japanese boggly">
{|class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:top;"
|colspan=3|nepsaty123 (February 28, 2011). [https://youtu.be/DOHUal4Hw_A?t=45 ペーパーマリオＲＰＧを実況プレイ！ part１３]. ''YouTube''. Retrieved March 30, 2014.
|-
|style="vertical-align:top"|Beldam:
|｢ヒッヒッヒッヒィ・・・<br><span class=explain title="な">名</span>のるほどのものじゃあ　ないけど<br>いちおう　<span class=explain title="な">名</span>のって　おこうかねぇ<br><br>われらは・・・」<br><br>
|"Hee hee hee heeee...<br>It's not even worth giving you our names,<br>but I guess we can.<br><br>We are..."<br><br>
|-
|style="vertical-align:top"|Marilyn:
|｢カゲ・・・」<br><br>
|"The Shadow..."<br><br>
|-
|style="vertical-align:top"|Vivian:
|｢<span class=explain title="さんしまい">三姉妹</span>っ！！」<br><br>
|"Sisters Three!!"<br><br>
|-
|style="vertical-align:top"|Goombella:
|｢カゲ<span class=explain title="さんしまい">三姉妹</span>っ！？」<br><br>
|"The Shadow Sisters Three!?"<br><br>
|-
|style="vertical-align:top"|Beldam:
|｢コラッ！　ビビアン！！<br>なに　いってんだよ　あんた！<br>カゲ<span class=explain title="さんにんぐみ">三人組</span>だろ！　<span class=explain title="さんにんぐみ">三人組</span>！！<br><br>どこが　<span class=explain title="さんしまい">三姉妹</span>だよ！<br>あんた　<span style="color:red;">オトコ</span>じゃないかい！！！！！！」<br><br>
|"Hey! Vivian!!<br>What do you think you're saying!?<br>We're the Shadow Trio! Trio!!<br><br>Where are there three sisters!?<br>Aren't you a <span style="color:red;">man</span>!!!!!!?"<br><br>
|-
|style="vertical-align:top"|Vivian:
|｢ゴメンナサイ～　お<span class=explain title="ねえ">姉</span>さま<br>つい・・・」<br><br>
|"I'm sorry, Beldam.<br>I just..."<br><br>
|-
|style="vertical-align:top"|Beldam:
|｢つい・・・　じゃないよ！<br>あとで　きっちり<br>オシオキしてやるからね！！」<br><br>
|"You just... nothing!<br>Because after this,<br>I'm absolutely punishing you!!"<br><br>
|-
|style="vertical-align:top"|Vivian:
|｢うぅっ・・・」
|"Sniff..."
|}</ref>
<ref name="Japanese tattle">
{|class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:top;"
|colspan=3|nepsaty123 (February 28, 2011). [https://youtu.be/DOHUal4Hw_A?t=97 ペーパーマリオＲＰＧを実況プレイ！ part１３]. ''YouTube''. Retrieved March 30, 2014.
|-
|style="vertical-align:top"|Goombella:
|｢『ビビアン』よ<br/>カゲ<span class=explain title="さんにんぐみ">三人組</span>の<span class=explain title="ひとり">一人</span>で　いちばん<span class=explain title="した">下</span>の<span class=explain title="いもうと">妹</span><br/>・・・じゃなくて　<span class=explain title="おとうと">弟</span>ね<br/><br/>さいだいＨＰは『１０』で<br/>こうげき<span class=explain title="りょく">力</span>は『１』　ぼうぎょ<span class=explain title="りょく">力</span>は『０』よ<br/>これといった　とくちょうは　ないみたい<br/><br/>う～ん・・・<br/>それにしても　カレって　なかなか<br/>かわいいわね・・・<br/><br/>ひょっとしたら　あたしよりも<br/>かわいいかも・・・<br/><br/>・・・て<br/><br/>やだっ・・・<br/>あたしったら　なにを<br/>かんがえているのかしら」
|"That's Vivian.<br/>A member of the Shadow Trio, and the youngest sister<br/>...no, brother.<br/><br/>Max HP: 10<br/>Attack power: 1, Defense power: 0<br/>Seems there's nothing special here<br/><br/>Umm...<br/> nevertheless, 'he' is really<br/>cute, huh...<br/><br/>Possibly, maybe even<br/>cuter than me...<br/><br/>...that is<br/><br/>No way...<br/>Jeez, I wonder what<br/>I was thinking"
|}</ref>
<ref name="Japanese menu">
{|class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:top;"
|colspan=3|[http://themushroomkingdom.net/pmttyd_j2e.shtml#vivian Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door From Japanese to English]. ''The Mushroom Kingdom''. Retrieved June 13, 2008.
|-
|style="vertical-align:top"|Menu text:
|｢カゲ三人組の一人だった<br>オンナのコのようで　ホントは　オトコのコ」
|"A boy who appears to be a girl and<br>was previously part of the Shadow Trio."
|}</ref>
<ref name="Japanese Goom Goom">
{|class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:top;"
|colspan=3|[[Goom Goom]]'s quest
|-
|style="vertical-align:top"|Goom Goom:
|｢おお！　これは　かわいい・・・<br/>ってキミ・・・　どっちなの？・・・<br/>オトコ・・・　だよね・・・<br/><br/>ようするに　オスじゃん！」
|"Oh! This one's cute...<br/>but you... which are you...?<br/>A man... is what you are...<br/><br/>In short, this person is male!"
|}</ref>
<ref name="Japanese SPM">
{|class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:top;"
|colspan=3|inu651225 (October 23, 2010). [https://youtu.be/DmnG1YznKq0?t=760 スーパーペーパーマリオ　全カード集｛ネタばれ注意｝]. ''YouTube''. Retrieved July 28, 2015.
|-
|style="vertical-align:top"|Catch card:
|「ペーパーマリオRPG」に<br/>とうじょうした　マリオのなかま<br/>火の魔法を　使う　キュートな　オトコのコ<br/>カゲ三人組という　てきの１人だった」
|"A friend of Mario's who appeared<br/>in ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door''.<br/>A cute boy who uses fire magic,<br/>Vivian was one of the enemy group called the Shadow Trio."
|}</ref>
<ref name="French">In the French version, Vivian uses the name "''L'Obscur Trio de Sœurs''" ("The Dark Trio of Sisters"), to which Beldam retorts "''Quoi! Viviane! Qu'est-ce que tu racontes? L'Obscur Trio! Tout court! Où tu vois tres sœurs, toi? Tu es un garçon!!!!!!''" ("What! Vivian! What are you talking about? The Dark Trio! Period! Where do you see three sisters? You're a boy!", with "''garçon''", "boy", being written in red font for extra emphasis). Vivian apologizes and starts to try to argue her case, but Beldam cuts her off and threatens punishment for her words (Vivian says "''Désolée, Marjolène. Enfin...''", "Sorry, Beldam, [but] let's just say...", and Beldam cuts in with "''Il y n'a pas de « enfin »!''", the equivalent to "there is no 'but's"). ~  Frigiel. (August 13, 2012). [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5ckCCHr9dk&t=1h17m54s Paper Mario : La Porte Millénaire Let's Play - Episode 4]. ''Youtube''. Retrieved December 28, 2013.</ref>
<ref name="Spanish">In the Spanish version of ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'', during her Tattle for Vivian ("Bibiana" in the localization), Goombella originally uses feminine terms for Vivian ("''la más pequeña''") but then corrects herself and uses the masculine version ("''el más pequeño''") instead: "''¡Es Bibiana! La más pequeña del Trío... Bueno... EL más pequeño [...]''". ~ TheMegajorn. (September 15, 2012). [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwwUsQGBjmE&t=12m37s Paper mario la puerta milenaria parte 8 español]. ''YouTube''. Retrieved December 28, 2013.</ref>
<ref name="Italian">In the Italian version, Vivian attempts to introduce the group as the "''tre sorelle ombra''", "Three Shadow Sisters", but Beldam reproaches her, insisting that they are the gender-neutral "Trisdombra", calling her a liar and asking her how they could be described as "three sisters" ("''Ma quante scempiaggini dici, fanfarona di un'Ombretta? Siamo il Trisdombra! Imbecille! Ti sbugiardo davanti a tutti! Spiegami: come facciamo ad essere tre sorelle? Avanti!''"). Vivian admits that Beldam and Marilyn are the real sisters, but says she feels like a woman too and is proud of it ("''Siete due sorelle, è vero... Ma anch'io mi sento una donna e sono fiera di esserlo diventata!''"), which Beldam waves off with the disparaging comment that Vivian probably thinks she's the prettiest too, and deserves to be punished ("''E magari credi anche di essere la più bella, eh? Meriti una punizione!''"), causing Vivian to slump to the ground with a sigh. ~ TheGamerDani. (May 23, 2012). [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvJPc9hPwaM&t=14m53s Let's Play Paper Mario:il Portale Millenario parte 14 - Trisdombra e Spirù]. ''Youtube''. Retrieved December 28, 2013</ref>
</references>

Revision as of 10:36, August 22, 2019

Personal work page/sandbox.

Current task(s): Suggested revision to Vivian's page

V1

Gender

In the Japanese version of Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Vivian is an otoko no ko, a Japanese concept roughly comparable to the Western concept of a cross-dresser or drag queen. Other characters, as well as narrative text, describe Vivian using masculine terms such as otoko "man", and otōto "little brother".[1][2][3][4] However, Vivian initially describes the Shadow Sirens as san shimai "three sisters",[1] and routinely uses the feminine first person pronoun atai. In Super Paper Mario, Vivian's Catch Card explicitly describes her using the term otoko no ko.[5]

In the English and German localizations of the game, all masculine descriptions of Vivian are removed, and she is referred to with exclusively female pronouns. Consequently, the nature of some of Beldam's insults towards Vivian was altered, as they originally focused on her masculinity. Other localized versions of the game retain aspects of the otoko no ko portrayal with some localizations, such as the Italian version, going further and making the character fully transgender.[6][7][8]

V2

Gender

In the Japanese version of Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Vivian is an otoko no ko, a Japanese concept roughly comparable to the Western concept of a cross-dresser or drag queen. Other characters, as well as narrative text, describe Vivian using masculine terms such as otoko "man", and otōto "little brother".[1][2][3][4] However, Vivian initially describes the Shadow Sirens as san shimai "three sisters",[1] and routinely uses the feminine first person pronoun atai. In Super Paper Mario, Vivian's Catch Card explicitly describes her using the term otoko no ko.[5]

In the English and German localizations of the game, all masculine descriptions of Vivian are removed, and she is referred to with exclusively female pronouns. Consequently, the nature of some of Beldam's insults towards Vivian was altered, as they originally focused on her masculinity. Other localized versions of the game retain aspects of the otoko no ko portrayal.[6][7] In particular, the Italian localization team opted to portray Vivian as transgender and altered the relevant dialogue slightly to have Vivian display pride rather than shame at her decision to present herself as a female.[9][8]

References

  1. ^ a b c d
    nepsaty123 (February 28, 2011). ペーパーマリオＲＰＧを実況プレイ！ part１３. YouTube. Retrieved March 30, 2014.
    Beldam: ｢ヒッヒッヒッヒィ・・・
    名のるほどのものじゃあ　ないけど
    いちおう　名のって　おこうかねぇ

    われらは・・・」

    		 "Hee hee hee heeee...
    It's not even worth giving you our names,
    but I guess we can.

    We are..."

    Marilyn: ｢カゲ・・・」

    		 "The Shadow..."

    Vivian: ｢三姉妹っ！！」

    		 "Sisters Three!!"

    Goombella: ｢カゲ三姉妹っ！？」

    		 "The Shadow Sisters Three!?"

    Beldam: ｢コラッ！　ビビアン！！
    なに　いってんだよ　あんた！
    カゲ三人組だろ！　三人組！！

    どこが　三姉妹だよ！
    あんた　オトコじゃないかい！！！！！！」

    		 "Hey! Vivian!!
    What do you think you're saying!?
    We're the Shadow Trio! Trio!!

    Where are there three sisters!?
    Aren't you a man!!!!!!?"

    Vivian: ｢ゴメンナサイ～　お姉さま
    つい・・・」

    		 "I'm sorry, Beldam.
    I just..."

    Beldam: ｢つい・・・　じゃないよ！
    あとで　きっちり
    オシオキしてやるからね！！」

    		 "You just... nothing!
    Because after this,
    I'm absolutely punishing you!!"

    Vivian: ｢うぅっ・・・」 "Sniff..."
  2. ^ a b
    nepsaty123 (February 28, 2011). ペーパーマリオＲＰＧを実況プレイ！ part１３. YouTube. Retrieved March 30, 2014.
    Goombella: ｢『ビビアン』よ
    カゲ三人組の一人で　いちばん下の妹
    ・・・じゃなくて　弟ね

    さいだいＨＰは『１０』で
    こうげき力は『１』　ぼうぎょ力は『０』よ
    これといった　とくちょうは　ないみたい

    う～ん・・・
    それにしても　カレって　なかなか
    かわいいわね・・・

    ひょっとしたら　あたしよりも
    かわいいかも・・・

    ・・・て

    やだっ・・・
    あたしったら　なにを
    かんがえているのかしら」     		"That's Vivian.
    A member of the Shadow Trio, and the youngest sister
    ...no, brother.

    Max HP: 10
    Attack power: 1, Defense power: 0
    Seems there's nothing special here

    Umm...
    nevertheless, 'he' is really
    cute, huh...

    Possibly, maybe even
    cuter than me...

    ...that is

    No way...
    Jeez, I wonder what
    I was thinking"
  3. ^ a b
    Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door From Japanese to English. The Mushroom Kingdom. Retrieved June 13, 2008.
    Menu text: ｢カゲ三人組の一人だった
    オンナのコのようで　ホントは　オトコのコ」     		"A boy who appears to be a girl and
    was previously part of the Shadow Trio."
  4. ^ a b
    Goom Goom's quest
    Goom Goom: ｢おお！　これは　かわいい・・・
    ってキミ・・・　どっちなの？・・・
    オトコ・・・　だよね・・・

    ようするに　オスじゃん！」     		"Oh! This one's cute...
    but you... which are you...?
    A man... is what you are...

    In short, this person is male!"
  5. ^ a b
    inu651225 (October 23, 2010). スーパーペーパーマリオ　全カード集｛ネタばれ注意｝. YouTube. Retrieved July 28, 2015.
    Catch card: 「ペーパーマリオRPG」に
    とうじょうした　マリオのなかま
    火の魔法を　使う　キュートな　オトコのコ
    カゲ三人組という　てきの１人だった」     		"A friend of Mario's who appeared
    in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door.
    A cute boy who uses fire magic,
    Vivian was one of the enemy group called the Shadow Trio."
  6. ^ a b In the French version, Vivian uses the name "L'Obscur Trio de Sœurs" ("The Dark Trio of Sisters"), to which Beldam retorts "Quoi! Viviane! Qu'est-ce que tu racontes? L'Obscur Trio! Tout court! Où tu vois tres sœurs, toi? Tu es un garçon!!!!!!" ("What! Vivian! What are you talking about? The Dark Trio! Period! Where do you see three sisters? You're a boy!", with "garçon", "boy", being written in red font for extra emphasis). Vivian apologizes and starts to try to argue her case, but Beldam cuts her off and threatens punishment for her words (Vivian says "Désolée, Marjolène. Enfin...", "Sorry, Beldam, [but] let's just say...", and Beldam cuts in with "Il y n'a pas de « enfin »!", the equivalent to "there is no 'but's"). ~ Frigiel. (August 13, 2012). Paper Mario : La Porte Millénaire Let's Play - Episode 4. Youtube. Retrieved December 28, 2013.
  7. ^ a b In the Spanish version of Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, during her Tattle for Vivian ("Bibiana" in the localization), Goombella originally uses feminine terms for Vivian ("la más pequeña") but then corrects herself and uses the masculine version ("el más pequeño") instead: "¡Es Bibiana! La más pequeña del Trío... Bueno... EL más pequeño [...]". ~ TheMegajorn. (September 15, 2012). Paper mario la puerta milenaria parte 8 español. YouTube. Retrieved December 28, 2013.
  8. ^ a b In the Italian version, Vivian attempts to introduce the group as the "tre sorelle ombra", "Three Shadow Sisters", but Beldam reproaches her, insisting that they are the gender-neutral "Trisdombra", calling her a liar and asking her how they could be described as "three sisters" ("Ma quante scempiaggini dici, fanfarona di un'Ombretta? Siamo il Trisdombra! Imbecille! Ti sbugiardo davanti a tutti! Spiegami: come facciamo ad essere tre sorelle? Avanti!"). Vivian admits that Beldam and Marilyn are the real sisters, but says she feels like a woman too and is proud of it ("Siete due sorelle, è vero... Ma anch'io mi sento una donna e sono fiera di esserlo diventata!"), which Beldam waves off with the disparaging comment that Vivian probably thinks she's the prettiest too, and deserves to be punished ("E magari credi anche di essere la più bella, eh? Meriti una punizione!"), causing Vivian to slump to the ground with a sigh. ~ TheGamerDani. (May 23, 2012). Let's Play Paper Mario:il Portale Millenario parte 14 - Trisdombra e Spirù. Youtube. Retrieved December 28, 2013
  9. ^ Francesca Di Marco. Cultural Localization: Orientation and Disorientation in Japanese Video Games. Retrieved September 27, 2016.
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