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== Merge [[Super Mushroom (healing item)]] and the old ''Mario Party'' [[Golden Mushroom]]? == | == Merge [[Super Mushroom (healing item)]] and the old ''Mario Party'' [[Golden Mushroom]]? == | ||
So something I honestly must ask is why the [[Super Mushroom (healing item)|Super Mushroom]]s from the RPG games are a separate page from this, given they have the same name in both English and Japanese. It's not like we consider those games' basic Mushrooms to be the same as these instead; rather, we treat them as the same as [[Mushroom|the item from ''Super Mario Bros. 2'', the ''Mario Kart'' games, and a whole bunch of other things]]. The different purpose isn't solid reasoning either, not only due to the aforementioned Mushroom page, but Super Mushroom's contemporary, [[Fire Flower]], also has a vastly different function between games across genres, particularly the RPGs. As for the color in the PM games, so? It was orange with red spots originally, and again bringing up Fire Flower, it didn't get its current design until the Bro Flower in ''Partners in Time'', not being used for anything specifically called "Fire Flower" until ''New Super Mario Bros.'' in '''''2006''''', 21 years after its initial introduction. | So something I honestly must ask is why the [[Super Mushroom (healing item)|Super Mushroom]]s from the RPG games are a separate page from this, given they have the same name in both English and Japanese. It's not like we consider those games' basic Mushrooms to be the same as these instead; rather, we treat them as the same as [[Mushroom|the item from ''Super Mario Bros. 2'', the ''Mario Kart'' games, and a whole bunch of other things]]. The different purpose isn't solid reasoning either, not only due to the aforementioned Mushroom page, but Super Mushroom's contemporary, [[Fire Flower]], also has a vastly different function between games across genres, particularly the RPGs. As for the color in the PM games, so? It was orange with red spots originally, and again bringing up Fire Flower, it didn't get its current design until the Bro Flower in ''Partners in Time'', not being used for anything specifically called "Fire Flower" until ''New Super Mario Bros.'' in '''''2006''''', 21 years after its initial introduction. | ||
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Even after the proposals, the above-mentioned Gold Mushrooms from Rakin' 'em In are still an issue. Where do we put them? {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 20:04, August 12, 2021 (EDT) | Even after the proposals, the above-mentioned Gold Mushrooms from Rakin' 'em In are still an issue. Where do we put them? {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 20:04, August 12, 2021 (EDT) | ||
:Unless conflicting evidence arrives, I'd say have them on Super Mushroom. I would have added them when I merged last night, but I forgot the minigame's name. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:32, August 13, 2021 (EDT) | :Unless conflicting evidence arrives, I'd say have them on Super Mushroom. I would have added them when I merged last night, but I forgot the minigame's name. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:32, August 13, 2021 (EDT) | ||
::Update: turns out it's its own thing too, きんいろキノコ ''Kin'iro Kinoko'', as seen [https://youtu.be/MQen9uw4Vs0?t=2627 here]. This means it is separate from the usable Super Mushrooms in the same game. I would also separate it from Gold Mushroom myself since that's been so homogenous across its appearances, so I'd perhaps split it too, though finding an identifier could be troublesome. The only real alternative I could think of would be to move the "Golden Mushroom (Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga)" simply to "Golden Mushroom" (moving the current to "Golden Mushroom (disambiguation)") and merge it there. As a side note, I'd keep the ones from MP4's [[Bowser Wrestling]] on Super Mushroom due to their functionality. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:17, August 15, 2021 (EDT) | ::Update: turns out it's its own thing too, きんいろキノコ ''Kin'iro Kinoko'', as seen [https://youtu.be/MQen9uw4Vs0?t=2627 here]. This means it is separate from the usable Super Mushrooms in the same game. I would also separate it from Gold Mushroom myself since that's been so homogenous across its appearances, so I'd perhaps split it too, though finding an identifier could be troublesome. The only real alternative I could think of would be to move the "Golden Mushroom (Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga)" simply to "Golden Mushroom" (moving the current to "Golden Mushroom (disambiguation)") and merge it there, which is honestly probably the better option. As a side note, I'd keep the ones from MP4's [[Bowser Wrestling]] on Super Mushroom due to their functionality. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:17, August 15, 2021 (EDT) | ||
== Merge [[Super Mushroom (healing item)]] here == | == Merge [[Super Mushroom (healing item)]] here == | ||
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@Oppose Super Mushroom also restores health in ''Yoshi's Safari'' and ''Luigi's Mansion'' (3DS) but is considered the "usual" type. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:02, August 5, 2021 (EDT) | @Oppose Super Mushroom also restores health in ''Yoshi's Safari'' and ''Luigi's Mansion'' (3DS) but is considered the "usual" type. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:02, August 5, 2021 (EDT) | ||
== Super Shroom vs. Super Mushroom == | |||
Are the main series power-up and the blue-capped mushroom in Paper Mario REALLY the same? They look and act completely different, apart from the fact that they're both mushrooms. [[Special:Contributions/106.69.172.127|106.69.172.127]] 02:55, May 25, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:Same can be said of Fire Flowers in the same games. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 06:40, May 25, 2023 (EDT) | |||
::They were merged following a proposal on this talk page. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 06:53, May 25, 2023 (EDT) | |||
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Wanting to touch more up on my comments from the [[Talk:Mega Mushroom#Split pre-New Super Mario Bros. Mega and Mini Mushrooms from their post-New Super Mario Bros. counterparts, take 2|Mega Mushroom proposal]]; wouldn't the information regarding the "Golden Mushroom" from ''Mario Party'' be better off on the Super Shroom Orb article? That article is covering the exact effects of the Golden Mushroom and even itself is named the Super Mushroom/Super Shroom. I think it's clear that the Golden Mushroom being referred to as a Super Mushroom is not referring to this particular Mushroom, but instead being it's own thing separate from this one. They functionally act the same. The info being here just feels wrong when we have an article already covering it's exact effects. {{User:Tails777/sig}} | |||
:One's a mushroom. The other's a capsule ball containing said mushroom. It's fine as-is, and if anything, that'd be merged here. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:48, December 20, 2023 (EST) | |||
::Honestly, I thought it’d be better merging it here shortly after making this comment. The main point is that the functionality remains the same, though at the same time, keeping them split would make sense in the face of capsules/orbs that are based on characters. I guess we wouldn’t merge the Mr. Blizzard Orb with Mr. Blizzard himself. {{User:Tails777/sig}} | |||