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 == Piro Dangle ==
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 It would seem that [[Piro Dangle]] has an identical Japanese name. This, combined with both being spheres with masklike eyes surrounded by a field of vague orange damaging glow that travel around platforms, makes me think that perhaps they are intended to be the same thing. While they are slower than the SMB2 enemy and occasionally lose their "spark," so to speak, plenty of SMB2 enemies appeared in the game with different behavior from before. Additionally, unlike [[Harry Hedgehog]], it wasn't renamed to be a subtype in YNI, and unlike [[Spiked Fun Guy (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island)|Spiked Fun Guy]], they aren't replaced with the original counterpart. Anyways, there is the "electricity" vs "fire" debate, which I personally find a little silly, as [[Sumo Bro]] did the same thing (though that one could be argued as to depend on the floor). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:29, 7 December 2018 (EST)
 :Isn't this similar to the [[#"Sparky"|talk section above]]? Correct me if I'm wrong. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 21:12, 7 December 2018 (EST)
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 :::::::::So you mean by "another insanely-different redesign of an SMB2 enemy in SMW2" that you think that Spiked Fun Guy is intended to be the Pokey itself? Also, while Spiked Fun Guy (Pokey)'s design were changed to their actual appearance, Piro Dangles remain their previous design. For Needlenoses, they are clearly intended to be different things despite their Japanese name, as they have no entry in the Yoshi's New Island Guide, nor mentioned on the normal Pokey's. Spiked Fun Guy's appearance is definitively more closer to Pokey's. There was a proposal to split both Spiked Fun Guys, with one option that had splitting Yoshi's Story Spiked Fun Guy while merging the Yoshi's Island one. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 06:55, 20 December 2018 (EST)
 ::::::::::The thing about the ''Yoshi's Island'' depiction is that Shogakukan's ''[[media:Advance 3 Shogakukan P16.png|Super Mario Advance 3]]'' guide suggests that Needlenose and Spiked Fun Guy are actually the same thing (note the description, whose last sentence translates as: "''It sometimes hangs from a balloon or rides in a pot.''" - describing actions exclusive to Needlenose and Spike Fun Guy, respectively). What I believe was intended to be the case was that what we call Needlenose is supposed to be its graphic as a basic projectile and what we call Spiked Fun Guy is supposed to be its graphic as a more standard enemy. Mind, the original ''[[media:Super Mario Yossy Island Shogakukan P4 P5.jpg|Yossy Island]]'' guide doesn't have this sentence and both versions also include Bouncing Bullet Bill together with Bullet Bill, which was later split in the ''Yoshi's New Island'' guide. Still, the fact that traditional Pokeys do show up in ''Yoshi's New Island'' indicates that it's separate from one or both of these. I think of them more like the predecessor to Pokey Heads than a real redesign of Pokey. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:45, 20 December 2018 (EST)
-:::::::::::1) I think that the "describes Needlenoses" argument is not fairly valid, as it only mentions Needlenoses when they're shot from enemies. It erroneously implies that Spiked Fun Guy hangs on [[Baron von Zeppelin]]s. 2) Its design is much more closer to Pokey that what is Needlenose. (SMB2 even had it green) 3) Please note that Doc von Schmeltwick told me how off-model enemies are in this game. (take Bullet Bill and Boo to name a few) Bullet Bill was larger and was green. 4) SMB2 enemies reappear in this game, including [[Shy Guy]]s, [[Snifit]]s, and also, note that [[Tweeter]]s we're planned to appear as seen in the unused sprite. I still think that "Spiked Fun Guy" is another insanely redesigned enemy "Pokey", as it has the same Japanese name. Yoshi's New Island doesn't mention Needlenoses on Pokey's entry, so Needlenoses are separate from this one, thus, Spiked Fun Guy is the Pokey itself and thus, should be merged. It also acts much more like a Pokey than what Needlenoses did, as it is just an enemy rather than an enemy and a projectile. Should i bring it on its talk page rather than here? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 05:39, 9 February 2019 (EST)
+:::::::::::1) I think that the "describes Needlenoses" argument is not fairly valid, as it only mentions Needlenoses when it's the entry of the enemies that shoot them. It erroneously implies that Spiked Fun Guy hangs on [[Baron von Zeppelin]]s. 2) Its design is much more closer to Pokey that what is Needlenose. (SMB2 even had it green) 3) Please note that Doc von Schmeltwick told me how off-model enemies are in this game. (take Bullet Bill and Boo to name a few) Bullet Bill was larger and was green. 4) SMB2 enemies reappear in this game, including [[Shy Guy]]s, [[Snifit]]s, and also, note that [[Tweeter]]s we're planned to appear as seen in the unused sprite. I still think that "Spiked Fun Guy" is another insanely redesigned enemy "Pokey", as it has the same Japanese name. Yoshi's New Island doesn't mention Needlenoses on Pokey's entry, so Needlenoses are separate from this one, thus, Spiked Fun Guy is the Pokey itself and thus, should be merged. It also acts much more like a Pokey than what Needlenoses did, as it is just an enemy rather than an enemy and a projectile. Should i bring it up on its talk page rather than bringing it up here? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 05:39, 9 February 2019 (EST)
+::::::::::::Anyways, after my final decision with Spiked Fun Guy (which i removed the merge template), i think it should be kept as-is. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:21, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
+== Zelda series ==
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+"Spark" is also the name of an identically-acting obstacle in the ''Zelda'' series, appearing in ''A Link to the Past'', ''Link's Awakening'', ''Oracle of Seasons/Ages'', and ''The Minish Cap''. Considering they act the same, we list other ''Mario'' enemies' appearances in those games, and us grouping the DKJr and SMB2 entities together is already working a bit under assumption, would it be agreeable to note this on the page? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:09, February 4, 2021 (EST)
+:Seems quite reasonable to me, although I should point out that unlike other Mario enemies, these don't have a figurine in the Switch version of Link's Awakening. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 16:06, February 4, 2021 (EST)
+::Neither do Podoboo or Thwimp. They seem to exempt the "obstacles" from it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:35, February 4, 2021 (EST)
+:::I've added it under "trivia" like how the Nitpicker from ''Ice Climber'' is handled, but I'm not sure if they're supposed to deliberately be the same thing. ''Hyrule''/''Zelda Encyclopedia'' (which is a ''whole other'' can of worms) doesn't mention it as being from the ''Mario'' series unlike the other ones, for whatever that's worth, but it also does bizarre things like the former splitting the Chain Chomp from ''A Link to the Past'', despite numerous sources stating otherwise. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 05:00, March 10, 2022 (EST)
+:::OK, spotted evidence that they had the same Sparks in mind. Check out [[tcrf:Development:The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (Game Boy)/Early and Unused Graphics|here]], under "gomi7.CGX" - sure, there are a few ''Zelda'' enemies like Bubble/Anti-Faerie, but generally speaking, Spark is listed among the other series cameos (and there's even a scrapped Fighterfly). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:37, April 11, 2022 (EDT)