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== Merge to Toady == | == Merge to Toady == | ||
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{{ProposalOutcome|passed|1-1-0-5-2-0|Merge to Toady and split Kamek's Toadies}} | |||
So, during my Bubble Dayzee proposal, i saw LinkTheLefty mention it, so decided to make a proposal about this while i'm at it. The fact that both were merged together bothered me for a while, now. They should have either have been split, or merged to Toady altogether in the first place. I know about the feet thing, but that's neither an indication of them being the same or different subspecies at all. Or neither that they're separate from the normal Toadies. As i realised Doc von Schmeltwick was right about the fact that the large Raven in Yoshi's New Island was presumably a reference to/being Raphael the Raven himself, i think merging it could work. However, i'm kinda on the fence with Kamekku no Teshita, but that's a story for another day. Or is it?<br> | So, during my Bubble Dayzee proposal, i saw LinkTheLefty mention it, so decided to make a proposal about this while i'm at it. The fact that both were merged together bothered me for a while, now. They should have either have been split, or merged to Toady altogether in the first place. I know about the feet thing, but that's neither an indication of them being the same or different subspecies at all. Or neither that they're separate from the normal Toadies. As i realised Doc von Schmeltwick was right about the fact that the large Raven in Yoshi's New Island was presumably a reference to/being Raphael the Raven himself, i think merging it could work. However, i'm kinda on the fence with Kamekku no Teshita, but that's a story for another day. Or is it?<br> | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|FanOfYoshi}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|FanOfYoshi}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' November | '''Deadline:''' November 16, 2021, 23:59 GMT | ||
===Split Solo and Green Toady=== | ===Split Solo and Green Toady=== | ||
#{{User|Chester Alan Arthur}} Per koopa | #{{User|Chester Alan Arthur}} Per koopa | ||
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::::::EDIT: "''{{'}}''Google Translate''{{'}} - I insist that you do ''not''. Apologies, but I seriously lack the time to be cleaning up '''junior mistranslations''' left lying around.''" That is just ''rich'' of you to comment, considering you, as someone who reputably knows Japanese, made no effort to explain these sources but rather left me to my own devices to research the names and bios presented therein. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 12:02, November 4, 2021 (EDT) | ::::::EDIT: "''{{'}}''Google Translate''{{'}} - I insist that you do ''not''. Apologies, but I seriously lack the time to be cleaning up '''junior mistranslations''' left lying around.''" That is just ''rich'' of you to comment, considering you, as someone who reputably knows Japanese, made no effort to explain these sources but rather left me to my own devices to research the names and bios presented therein. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 12:02, November 4, 2021 (EDT) | ||
:::::::Cut him some slack, he's in the middle of moving and as such lacks much time and doesn't have his guides handy. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:43, November 4, 2021 (EDT) | :::::::Cut him some slack, he's in the middle of moving and as such lacks much time and doesn't have his guides handy. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:43, November 4, 2021 (EDT) | ||
::::::::I understand it's difficult to keep oneself composed at such junctures, and I wish him good omen in accommodating to the new place. My gripe is that I found that particular choice of words insensitive, which is unwarranted regardless of what may occur to one's life in parallel. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 13:53, November 4, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:::::::::I said before that I didn't have a lot of time to proofread my earlier comments. It frankly slipped my mind since I've had those scans on the wiki for quite a while and thought I had openly established their use. I wasn't expecting others to try to re-decipher them, so when you subsequently came back with something else, I misconstrued what you were trying to do. I abhor misinformation, and sure, I'm aware that these things are small, but my attitude is that small things in all forms can snowball. You could've simply stopped and asked if you weren't sure of what I was presenting. Still, I was being thoughtless. I don't know if this will make up for the undue stress, but let me give you a pointer. Gogol Translate is sometimes okay for real-world Japanese words now and then if you lack a good dictionary, but it usually tends to break characters and syntax, and most other times it's just plain wrong. In my experience, it's much more trouble than it's worth to use, and made-up names and sentences are more often than not rendered unreliably. It's basically a beginner's trap; people have literally written books on it for humor (which supposedly helps improve it over time, but that seems miniscule at best). If you need to use a machine translator, my recommendation is the newer DeepL machine translator that I found out about recently. It's not perfect either - you should never fully trust a machine to translate for you since the tech isn't there yet - but I find that its Japanese language support is way more mature, and it made my life a little easier a handful of times already. Anyway, I think the other part about letting things go is the note to end things on. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:26, November 4, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:::::::::Good mates, this is a children's character. No need to get so petty, heated and childish about what is ultimately the decision to merge or keep split a fan page of a singular character from children's games. It does not matter in the slightest, nor is it remotely important, so I would advise you to calm down and reexamine why you reacted in such a manner. If you mates continue to have attitudes so intense over something so petty, then take them somewheres else. You are going closer and closer to violating courtesy. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 16:00, November 4, 2021 (EDT) | |||
This is, of course, not a specific advisory. In general, all users here should understand the relative unimportance of what we do here. Relax, calm down, do not bring unnecessary intensity. Such intensity and anger not only damper the site but risk violating courtesy. Just watch what you say before you post it. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 16:20, November 4, 2021 (EDT) | |||
::::::::::While I can’t speak for LinkTheLefty, I must express that I take umbrage at your statement. I disagree that our discussion has been “childish” or “petty”; unless you take the somewhat sarcastic usage of “Mario Wiki intelligentsia” to be some kind of childish retort (the phrase being moreso derived out genuine awareness of my discussion partners’ aptitutes and intended to point out what I previously mistook as an otherwise small lapse in their judgement), you will be hard-pressed to find any directed oaths in my discourse. In fact, I advocated for civil discourse through and through. Your attempt to belittle the scope of our discussion as “not even remotely important” also feels demeaning and runs counter to the wiki’s inherent mission. (NOTE: This was written before you wrote the addendum, which I agree with in general terms.) {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 16:33, November 4, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:::::::::::I've notified Doomhiker to be less abrasive and to keep it professional when addressing this dispute on the Discord staff channel but yeah, please don't continue the dispute (you may continue with the debate of your stance of course, for clarification). We'll step in again if it is necessary to do so, such as if we continue to see sarcastic remarks and ad hominems being directed at each other. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 17:29, November 4, 2021 (EDT) | |||