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==Queen Bee vs. Honey Queen== | ==Queen Bee vs. Honey Queen== | ||
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This wiki seems to be inconsistent on how we name Her Royal Highness. In most articles related Mario Kart 7, she's called Honey Queen, yet the name of the article itself is Queen Bee, along with Super Mario Galaxy-related stuff calling her that. We need to settle on something. | |||
EDIT: Upon selecting a name, that name will be the one we always use, no questions asked. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Magikrazy51}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Magikrazy51}}<br> | ||
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#{{User|Propeller Toad}} Essentially per MeritC. In my own opinion, I believe that the name her article should go under is the one that she was originally given. Her name change in Mario Kart 7 is not too significant to make the change, and unless future games continue calling her by her future name we should continue using her original name. | #{{User|Propeller Toad}} Essentially per MeritC. In my own opinion, I believe that the name her article should go under is the one that she was originally given. Her name change in Mario Kart 7 is not too significant to make the change, and unless future games continue calling her by her future name we should continue using her original name. | ||
#{{User|Technickal}} Per MeritC and Propeller Toad. | #{{User|Technickal}} Per MeritC and Propeller Toad. | ||
#{{User|Lord Grammaticus}} Per Merit | |||
#{{User|Yoshidude99}} Per Toad85 | |||
====Honey Queen==== | ====Honey Queen==== | ||
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#{{User|DKPetey99}} A few characters go by aliases, so we should keep this. And if Nintendo stated her as Queen Bee '''and''' Honey Queen, but Honey Queen recently, that's her name. | #{{User|DKPetey99}} A few characters go by aliases, so we should keep this. And if Nintendo stated her as Queen Bee '''and''' Honey Queen, but Honey Queen recently, that's her name. | ||
#{{User|Toad'ShyGuy}} Actually, I've never seen any kind of proof that she's officially named Queen Bee. In the MG games they just call her "queen", "majesty", and such. Never Queen Bee. In MK7, She is just named Honey Queen. And Princess Toadstool is changed too, and in the header "'''Her name is Honey Queen! Nintendo says so!'''", MeritC, that's not a clear and logic reason. Per Arend. PLEASE READ HIS COMMENTS BELOW! | #{{User|Toad'ShyGuy}} Actually, I've never seen any kind of proof that she's officially named Queen Bee. In the MG games they just call her "queen", "majesty", and such. Never Queen Bee. In MK7, She is just named Honey Queen. And Princess Toadstool is changed too, and in the header "'''Her name is Honey Queen! Nintendo says so!'''", MeritC, that's not a clear and logic reason. Per Arend. PLEASE READ HIS COMMENTS BELOW! | ||
#{{User|Torngentleman2}} I don't believe "Queen Bee" was used as an actual name of reference in the Galaxy games, only in the Trading Card Games. The trading cards are official, but they are not made by Nintendo. Mario Kart 7 is. Plus, Honey Queen is now a much more well-known name, so I '''support''' moving it. | |||
#{{User|Vinnie|Vincent}} This is the official name. The other name was made by the card company (if Nintendo made the cards, I'm changing my vote) | |||
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If she is called in the next game Queen Bee, we should keep the name. But we don't know the future. We don't know how she will be called in the next game or if she will appear again at all. Here on MarioWiki, we need to put information that is correct at this moment, those are the rules. Honey Queen is her current and correct English name, so we must move it, because those are the rules. The name Honey Queen is already officially acknowledged by Nintendo, because they used it and in one of their best selling game series too. And if it does turn out that her name is Queen Bee in the next game, we simply move it back. It is just one simple click on the move button. I am amazed this is such a huge deal. On MarioWiki, we have moved more article names to lesser used, but more recent names. This article may not be an exception. UPDATE: After a bit of research I found out she was never called Queen Bee in Super Mario Galaxy 2. She was always called ''Our Queen''. {{User|Arend}} | If she is called in the next game Queen Bee, we should keep the name. But we don't know the future. We don't know how she will be called in the next game or if she will appear again at all. Here on MarioWiki, we need to put information that is correct at this moment, those are the rules. Honey Queen is her current and correct English name, so we must move it, because those are the rules. The name Honey Queen is already officially acknowledged by Nintendo, because they used it and in one of their best selling game series too. And if it does turn out that her name is Queen Bee in the next game, we simply move it back. It is just one simple click on the move button. I am amazed this is such a huge deal. On MarioWiki, we have moved more article names to lesser used, but more recent names. This article may not be an exception. UPDATE: After a bit of research I found out she was never called Queen Bee in Super Mario Galaxy 2. She was always called ''Our Queen''. {{User|Arend}} | ||
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I'm sorry {{User|Torngentleman2}}, but if you had read my earlier comment, you would see that I have inserted an '''exact''' quote '''directly''' from the game, which is spoken by the second [[Bee]] from where you start in the [[Honeyhive Galaxy]] in ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]'' in the first mission. Here it is again for you: "New Bees must greet Her Highness, Queen Bee!" Note that in-game, "Queen Bee" is in red text, and capitalized '''exactly''' as you see here. Thus, part of your reason for changing "Queen Bee" to "Honey Queen" has become obsolete. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] 11:02, 12 December 2011 (EST) | |||
:A screenshot would be best for settling the issue, in my opinion. [[User:Lord Grammaticus|Lord Grammaticus]] 11:06, 12 December 2011 (EST) | |||
::[[File:SMG Queen Bee Naming.png|thumb|left]] Here you go, as you asked for. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] 19:20, 12 December 2011 (EST) | |||
:::And he delivers. Wonderful. [[User:Lord Grammaticus|Lord Grammaticus]] 01:44, 13 December 2011 (EST) | |||
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== What now? == | |||
The proposal above passed, but the changes were never made. I moved the page, but then {{User|Yoshi876}} changed it back to a redirect, saying that a six-year-old proposal was no longer valid. So what now? Why is she Honey Queen again if the community agreed she was Queen Bee? Should I make another TPP?<br> | |||
{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 17:26, 13 April 2017 (EDT) | |||
:Nothing. Changes were made, and then changed back. The naming policy is what we go by, and in ''Mario Kart 7'' she is officially called Honey Queen, so therefore that's what we go by. {{User|Yoshi876}} | |||
::Searching the old MarioWiki:Naming pages, I noticed that the rule was there when the proposal was made. It should of been a no-brainer then. Searching the Revision history of Honey Queen, it wasn't moved to this page until May 8, 2015 (for reference, the it was changed to Queen Bee on Dec 9, 2011) by [[User:Magikrazy|Magikrazy]]. Just thought I should put this here. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 17:42, 13 April 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::I believe the idea was that, in 2011 when ''MK7'' first released, it seemed as though "Honey Queen" would just be a one-time instance, and that "Queen Bee" was her original, rightful name. One can think of it like the case with [[Swoop]]; when "Swoop" was first used, it was probably just passed as temporary, but after more uses it has become the official name. Comparatively, 6 years since ''MK7'' was released, many now know her as "Honey Queen" since that is the name used in her most significant appearance in ''MK7''. At least, that's how I read it. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 20:55, 13 April 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Voice actor == | |||
So, who is her voice actor? Someone in the earlier talk page said it was Sarah Natochenny (though without proof), while IMDB says it's [[Katsumi Suzuki]]. Any input on this? [[User:Prpro=03|PrPro03]] ([[User talk:Prpro=03|talk]]) 09:27, December 5, 2021 (EST) | |||