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::::::Except Goombas and Galoombas don't look even basically the same nor do their poses lend to them having identical behavior. And while behavior does change (that being one of the main pillars of this merge), it was clear even then that those "Goombas" were not the same as the others (and MPA and SMA4 proved it utterly). On a side note, what is Nigepuku? I can't find that one. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:30, October 3, 2020 (EDT) | ::::::Except Goombas and Galoombas don't look even basically the same nor do their poses lend to them having identical behavior. And while behavior does change (that being one of the main pillars of this merge), it was clear even then that those "Goombas" were not the same as the others (and MPA and SMA4 proved it utterly). On a side note, what is Nigepuku? I can't find that one. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:30, October 3, 2020 (EDT) | ||
:::::::That didn't prevent the translators from mistaking Galoomba for Goomba, especially in the same game where Koopa Troopa got its changes (and a "split" variety in Beach Koopa). Thus according to their mistake, Goombas were made different for SMW. SMA4 doesn't help with that since SMW Bowser Statues also appear which would make the case for "SMW iterations of enemies SMA4 with SMB3 ones". Even MPA is debatable with that stance in mind since a translator not knowing any better about the SMW situation would think of "Kuribon" as a quirky Goomba NPC name akin to [[Akiki]]. The unused big Cheep has even less going for it since how it would have behaved is ultimately major guesswork. Since the translators made such a mistake, how can it be said you wouldn't fall into a similar trap because of the looks of the sprites? (And Eep Cheep is Nigepuku.) [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 18:36, October 9, 2020 (EDT) | :::::::That didn't prevent the translators from mistaking Galoomba for Goomba, especially in the same game where Koopa Troopa got its changes (and a "split" variety in Beach Koopa). Thus according to their mistake, Goombas were made different for SMW. SMA4 doesn't help with that since SMW Bowser Statues also appear which would make the case for "SMW iterations of enemies SMA4 with SMB3 ones". Even MPA is debatable with that stance in mind since a translator not knowing any better about the SMW situation would think of "Kuribon" as a quirky Goomba NPC name akin to [[Akiki]]. The unused big Cheep has even less going for it since how it would have behaved is ultimately major guesswork. Since the translators made such a mistake, how can it be said you wouldn't fall into a similar trap because of the looks of the sprites? (And Eep Cheep is Nigepuku.) [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 18:36, October 9, 2020 (EDT) | ||
::::::::Because these actually do look the same relative to the respective normal Cheep Cheep (note the SMW Cheep looked a tad funky), with the addition of the striking similarities to the Porcupuffer (which ''does'' appear in the final, now looking even more like the original Boss Bass). The "giant open mouth" while looking simply like a big Cheep Cheep is what sells it; the only, for example, "squishing" sprites for Galoomba I know of were found unused in the SNES Test Program. As for why I'm still connecting this to Big Cheep Cheep and not Cheep Chomp, that's still the point about iterative design/purpose evolution and the original name. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:50, October 9, 2020 (EDT) | ::::::::Because these actually do look the same relative to the respective normal Cheep Cheep (note the SMW Cheep looked a tad funky), with the addition of the striking similarities to the Porcupuffer (which ''does'' appear in the final, now looking even more like the original Boss Bass). The "giant open mouth" while looking simply like a big Cheep Cheep is what sells it; the only, for example, "squishing" sprites for Galoomba I know of were found unused in the SNES Test Program. As for why I'm still connecting this to Big Cheep Cheep and not Cheep Chomp, that's still the point about iterative design/purpose evolution and the original name. Also, I'm not entirely convinced Kurribon->Goomba was a "mistake;" I'm thinking it was a heavily misguided attempt to make them seem more familiar. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:50, October 9, 2020 (EDT) | ||