Talk:Azure Roller

Why does this page exist as a seperate entity from Roller?

There are no differences between this Roller and Azure Roller besides the name and color, so isn't it a little bit redundant? We have already decided that Daisy's named moves in Smash be covered under Peach's moves, despite them having notably more differences. So why does this page need to exist? -- memoryman3 17:04, October 20, 2019 (EDT)

One didn't exist before Mario Kart 8 - the other did, and had substantial stat changes between 7 to 8, and then again between 8 and 8 Deluxe. In both Mario Kart 8 and the Deluxe version, they're also subjected to different CPU usage "preferences" as well. As mentioned previously, the matter of Daisy's moves were already thoroughly well-covered and do not have that much bearing on this one, since attack moves are covered differently from things like kart pieces. I feel that's enough reason to keep it split. -- Lord G. matters. 17:16, October 20, 2019 (EDT)

Per Lord Grammaticus. Doomhiker (talk) 17:17, October 20, 2019 (EDT)

Then again, Peach Blossom, Peach Bomber and Peach Parasol went through notable changes from game to game. None of which applied to Daisy. Daisy Blossom outright didn't exist until Ultimate. Daisy Blossom is used by a different character and has differences such as completely different frames and cycles through 5 variants instead of six. Daisy Blossom doesn't spawn peaches. By that logic, Azure Roller can easily be covered in the gallery and by a single sentence on the Roller page, because it is literally the exact same case. Only difference being that this is a Mario Kart wheel vs a Smash Bros. attack, both blocks in a greater structure. They are synonyms of the same case. If this was any other user then I bet the outcome would have been different, but no, this is memoryman3 and Daisy, and no one likes memoryman's Daisy devotion. -- memoryman3 17:22, October 20, 2019 (EDT)

None of them apply to Daisy because her attacks effectively use the latest version of Peach's moveset as a template and changes various textures and objects, without any changes to damage, knockback, hitboxes, etc. that significantly impacts gameplay. Also, the fact that they're an attack and an item from two completely different genre of games should more than explain the world difference in the treatment of their subjects. And before I drift completely off topic - yes, the Roller and Azure Roller have the same stats, and thus similar impact on gameplay, but that impact is different enough from the several other tires in the games they appeared in, and is different between appearances.

Kindly stop acting in bad faith, changing the subject constantly, and generally making this about you and some presumptuous persecution of you or your fandom, and realize that we're simply making a case for the page remaining split like you asked us to when you started off this discussion. -- Lord G. matters. 17:27, October 20, 2019 (EDT)