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== Sigh... == | == Sigh... == | ||
Super Paper Mario is still for the GameCube! At least, that's what ALL the game sites I've been to say. Should we wait awhile for a confirmation, or go ahead and add it to the Cube games section?!? [[User: 3dejong|3dejong]] | Super Paper Mario is still for the GameCube! At least, that's what ALL the game sites I've been to say. Should we wait awhile for a confirmation, or go ahead and add it to the Cube games section?!? [[User: 3dejong|3dejong]] | ||
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== It's back == | == It's back == | ||
Super Paper Mario was just released as a "Nintendo Selects" and it is back in stores for $20! --[[File: | Super Paper Mario was just released as a "Nintendo Selects" and it is back in stores for $20! --[[File:YoshiMP8Artwork.png|35px]] [[User:SuperYoshiBros|<span style=color:blue>Super</span>]][[User talk:SuperYoshiBros|Yoshi]][[Special:Contributions/SuperYoshiBros|Bros]] [[File:YoshiMP8Artwork.png|35px]] 12:39, 28 August 2011 (EDT) | ||
== Locations of enemies MISSING!!!! == | == Locations of enemies MISSING!!!! == | ||
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Ummmm...I recently got Super Paper Mario and I'm already at Chapter 2-4, but when I started the game, I didn't see Wedding Scene. Was it a glitch? Please reply! | Ummmm...I recently got Super Paper Mario and I'm already at Chapter 2-4, but when I started the game, I didn't see Wedding Scene. Was it a glitch? Please reply! | ||
— [[File:FortuneStBowser.png|35px|Bowser|link=Bowser]] '''''<small>[[Special:Contributions/Big Koopa|<span style="color:orange;">I'm</span>]] [[User:Big Koopa|<span style="color:red;">Big</span> <span style="color:green">Koopa</span>]] ([[User talk:Big Koopa|<span style="color:purple">Talk to me!</span>]]) [[File: | — [[File:FortuneStBowser.png|35px|Bowser|link=Bowser]] '''''<small>[[Special:Contributions/Big Koopa|<span style="color:orange;">I'm</span>]] [[User:Big Koopa|<span style="color:red;">Big</span> <span style="color:green">Koopa</span>]] ([[User talk:Big Koopa|<span style="color:purple">Talk to me!</span>]]) [[File:MP9 Bowser Jr Artwork.png|35px|Bowser Jr.|link=Bowser Jr.]]</small>''''' 13:40, 1 December 2012 (EST) | ||
The wedding scene is in the beginning with the book with the text that says | The wedding scene is in the beginning with the book with the text that says | ||
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I feel like more files for some music such as the boss music should be put on a template. Can someone make the files and template exist? I feel like it might help the page a bit. Or maybe the credits theme if that's not there already?--[[Special:Contributions/86.157.117.215|86.157.117.215]] 11:37, 26 August 2013 (EDT) | I feel like more files for some music such as the boss music should be put on a template. Can someone make the files and template exist? I feel like it might help the page a bit. Or maybe the credits theme if that's not there already?--[[Special:Contributions/86.157.117.215|86.157.117.215]] 11:37, 26 August 2013 (EDT) | ||
:I definitely agree, but I'm not sure where we would get the files. The soundtrack for this game is awesome and I would certainly like to see more here. [[File:Mr L | :I definitely agree, but I'm not sure where we would get the files. The soundtrack for this game is awesome and I would certainly like to see more here. [[File:Mr. L.jpg|25px]] [[User:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:green">Ultimate Mr. L</span>]] ([[User talk:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]]) 14:16, 19 September 2016 (EDT) | ||
==Tippi and Blumiere's background== | ==Tippi and Blumiere's background== | ||
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Does anyone see [[fracktail]] on the cover box art? -[[user:joseph]]. | Does anyone see [[fracktail]] on the cover box art? -[[user:joseph]]. | ||
:Yes, he is there, on both front and back. On the front, he appears to the left of of the logo, though rather faded. On the back, he appears in the top right or left, I can't remember which. [[File:Mr L | :Yes, he is there, on both front and back. On the front, he appears to the left of of the logo, though rather faded. On the back, he appears in the top right or left, I can't remember which. [[File:Mr. L.jpg|25px]] [[User:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:green">Ultimate Mr. L</span>]] ([[User talk:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]]) 14:15, 19 September 2016 (EDT) | ||
== Aftergame == | == Aftergame == | ||
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Watch a youtube video on SPM Duel of 100. {{User:Joseph/sig}} | Watch a youtube video on SPM Duel of 100. {{User:Joseph/sig}} | ||
:[[King Sammer]] doesn't warp you back. He praises your fighting skills, gives you the cards and welcomes you to return anytime. You automatically return to [[Flipside]] after hitting the [[Star Block]], just like any other chapter. [[File:Mr L | :[[King Sammer]] doesn't warp you back. He praises your fighting skills, gives you the cards and welcomes you to return anytime. You automatically return to [[Flipside]] after hitting the [[Star Block]], just like any other chapter. [[File:Mr. L.jpg|25px]] [[User:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:green">Ultimate Mr. L</span>]] ([[User talk:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]]) 14:13, 19 September 2016 (EDT) | ||
== Dummy Song == | == Dummy Song == | ||
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This is the only RPG without a bestiary. Could someone take care of that? I'd do it, but I'm not autoconfirmed yet. I have heard people say the list of Catch Cards works as a bestiary, but that doesn't list their stats or anything. [[User:Ultimate Mr. L|Ultimate Mr. L]] ([[User talk:Ultimate Mr. L|talk]]) 12:19, 6 September 2016 (EDT) | This is the only RPG without a bestiary. Could someone take care of that? I'd do it, but I'm not autoconfirmed yet. I have heard people say the list of Catch Cards works as a bestiary, but that doesn't list their stats or anything. [[User:Ultimate Mr. L|Ultimate Mr. L]] ([[User talk:Ultimate Mr. L|talk]]) 12:19, 6 September 2016 (EDT) | ||
:I started on one, but then discovered that the other bestiaries have their own infobox. How do I create a new infobox for Super Paper Mario's bestiary? [[File:Mr L | :I started on one, but then discovered that the other bestiaries have their own infobox. How do I create a new infobox for Super Paper Mario's bestiary? [[File:Mr. L.jpg|25px]] [[User:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:green">Ultimate Mr. L</span>]] ([[User talk:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]]) 11:39, 18 September 2016 (EDT) | ||
::You have to create a template, that have their own page on the wiki denoted by Template:''name of template'', so that you will have to assign values to variables and then the table will be automatically filled. As an example, you can see the [[Template:PM2bestiary|template of the bestiary of ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'']] and the code of the [[Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door bestiary|bestiary itself]] to understand how do templates work. {{Unsigned|Mister Wu}} | ::You have to create a template, that have their own page on the wiki denoted by Template:''name of template'', so that you will have to assign values to variables and then the table will be automatically filled. As an example, you can see the [[Template:PM2bestiary|template of the bestiary of ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'']] and the code of the [[Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door bestiary|bestiary itself]] to understand how do templates work. {{Unsigned|Mister Wu}} | ||
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I was very disappointed with the amount of media we have here. Would it be possible to get a whole lot more from here?:[http://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/super-paper-mario] Actually, this site has almost all the Mario (and video games in general) music you can think of, so it could be very helpful. | I was very disappointed with the amount of media we have here. Would it be possible to get a whole lot more from here?:[http://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/super-paper-mario] Actually, this site has almost all the Mario (and video games in general) music you can think of, so it could be very helpful. | ||
<br>[[File:Mr L | <br>[[File:Mr. L.jpg|25px]] [[User:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:green">Ultimate Mr. L</span>]] ([[User talk:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]]) 14:25, 3 October 2016 (EDT) | ||
:[http://www.smashcustommusic.com/game/51 Smash custom music] is a better resource, as it has looped music as well. I don't know if the game itself uses .brstm though. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 22:26, 27 November 2016 (EST) | :[http://www.smashcustommusic.com/game/51 Smash custom music] is a better resource, as it has looped music as well. I don't know if the game itself uses .brstm though. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 22:26, 27 November 2016 (EST) | ||
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[[File:SPM OST.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Does this actually exist???!!!]]<br> | [[File:SPM OST.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Does this actually exist???!!!]]<br> | ||
[[File:Mr L | [[File:Mr. L.jpg|25px]] [[User:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:green">Ultimate Mr. L</span>]] ([[User talk:Ultimate Mr. L|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]]) 10:48, 5 October 2016 (EDT) | ||
:Yes it's real, it's the boxart for the music of this game. It can be seen as the album image when you buy most of your songs from MP3monkey.net. {{User:The RPG Gamer/sig}} 12:55, 26 October 2016 (EDT) | :Yes it's real, it's the boxart for the music of this game. It can be seen as the album image when you buy most of your songs from MP3monkey.net. {{User:The RPG Gamer/sig}} 12:55, 26 October 2016 (EDT) | ||
::But I mean, is it an official soundtrack? [[Super Mario Galaxy: Original Soundtrack|Like this]]? | ::But I mean, is it an official soundtrack? [[Super Mario Galaxy: Original Soundtrack|Like this]]? | ||
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:::I'll just repeat what I said earlier: Assuming the catch cards are all the same size, I think that would be the best bet. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:28, 14 February 2017 (EST) | :::I'll just repeat what I said earlier: Assuming the catch cards are all the same size, I think that would be the best bet. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:28, 14 February 2017 (EST) | ||
::::I can see the Catch Card images working for size, but I am not a total fan of the catch cards' background here. I will support having catch card images to have consistency. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 16:50, 14 February 2017 (EST) | ::::I can see the Catch Card images working for size, but I am not a total fan of the catch cards' background here. I will support having catch card images to have consistency. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 16:50, 14 February 2017 (EST) | ||
What's happening here? This section has been under construction for nearly a year. We need to decide how to format it.<br> | |||
{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 12:49, 25 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
:I still think the Catch Card images would be the most consistent. Maybe put that together on a separate project page of your own and see how that looks before finalizing it? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 12:55, 25 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
::Will do. I'll take care of it as soon as I have time. I'll probably only be able to work mornings and evenings. | |||
::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 22:01, 25 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::I'm not well versed in table coding. How do I make it span the width of the page, instead of centering it? | |||
:::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 20:06, 26 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::Where you have "width: 85%" say "width: 100%". Table will extend to the width of the page. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 20:11, 26 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::That's not the table. That's the header for the section, the black and green one. | |||
:::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 20:16, 26 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::::Whoop, looked at the wrong thing. But still, plugging in that code somewhere in the coding should work. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 20:18, 26 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::::That's what I thought, so I tried it after I sent my last message, but it didn't work. | |||
:::::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 20:20, 26 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::[[User:Ultimate Mr. L/Work#Project Workspace|Here it is.]] Does it look good? There' still a lot of scrolling. | |||
:::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 22:07, 26 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::Looks good. Kinda bland compared to the one already on the article, imo, but still good. Think you can make it horizontal so as to minimize scrolling? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:12, 26 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::How do I do that? I tried "align=horizontal", but nothing happened. | |||
::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 22:48, 26 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::Never mind. If you think it looks good, go ahead and plug it in to the main article. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 10:52, 27 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::::Now that we have the [[Super Paper Mario bestiary|bestiary]], should we just transclude the bosses form there? | |||
::::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 15:41, 19 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
== Unknown Enemy? == | == Unknown Enemy? == | ||
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:I agree, though I disagree with the statement that mini-bosses have little bearing to the plot (Bowser joins the party after each fight, all the mini-boss battles in Castle Bleck result in the loss of a character, etc.). You'll notice that the quality of articles related to SPM are surprisingly poor, which is why there isn't a separate category for mini-bosses. | :I agree, though I disagree with the statement that mini-bosses have little bearing to the plot (Bowser joins the party after each fight, all the mini-boss battles in Castle Bleck result in the loss of a character, etc.). You'll notice that the quality of articles related to SPM are surprisingly poor, which is why there isn't a separate category for mini-bosses. | ||
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 20:52, 6 July 2017 (EDT) | :{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 20:52, 6 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
::I did mention exceptions to the plot rule, but for many of them, there is not much plot, such as Mega Koopa, Big Blooper, Underchomp, the optional second fight with Francis, and things like that. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 20:26, 6 July 2017 (CT) | |||
Most of the bosses are fought at the end of chapters, with I think O'Chunks being the exception. Even so, O'Chucks is fought as the boss of Chapter 8-1. I don't think there's a clear defining factor between boss and mini-boss in this game. Here's all the bosses in order for me to better explain what I mean: | |||
*[[O'Chunks]] - Mid-boss of Chapter 1-3, 5-2, & 5-4, Boss of Chapter 8-1 | |||
*[[Fracktail]] - Boss of Chapter 1-4 | |||
*[[Mimi]] - Boss of Chapter 2-4, 6-2, & 8-2 | |||
*[[Bowser]] - Boss of Chapter 3-1 | |||
*[[Big Blooper]] - Boss of Chapter 3-2 | |||
*[[Dimentio]] - Boss of Chapter 3-3 & 8-3 | |||
*[[Francis]] - Boss of Chapter 3-4, optional mid-boss of Chapter 8-2 | |||
*[[Mr. L]] & [[Brobot]] - Bosses of Chapter 4-4 | |||
*[[King Croacus]] - Boss of Chapter 5-4 | |||
*[[Brobot L-Type]] - Boss of Chapter 6-1 Redux | |||
*[[Underchomp]] - Boss of 7-2 | |||
*[[Bonechill]] - Boss of Chapter 7-4 | |||
*[[Count Bleck]] and [[Super Dimentio]] - Bosses of Chapter 8-4 | |||
Every boss, even O'Chucks, is fought at the end of a level at least once.I'd be fine with classifying them all as simply "bosses", because that's all this game seems to have in terms of major enemies. If we need to classify any of these as mini-bosses, the only ones that "fit" would be O'Chunks and Francis. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:05, 6 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
:In regard to minibosses, I think we should just leave ''SPM'' alone. The game simply does not draw a clear line between "boss" and "miniboss". The bosses are presented relatively equally and all get unique themes (aside from [[Big Blooper]] and [[Shadoo]]), unlike the rest of the ''Paper Mario'' games where major bosses get unique themes while the mid-bosses all share a general "miniboss" theme. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 22:20, 6 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
::Regardless of where they are fought within levels, it is there placement within chapters that matters, as that is the analogue to worlds in this game. Boom Boom is fought at the end of castle levels in SMB3 and NSMBU, but he's still a miniboss. Same goes for O'Chunks, Big Blooper, and the rest. And 7feet, the previous Paper Mario games did not make any distinction either, Boss themes mean nothing. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 22:29, 6 July 2017 (CT) | |||
:::No. No, no, no. It does not work like that. We cannot just consider everything not fought at the end of a chapter or world a miniboss. [[Category talk:Mini Bosses|That is exactly why the category had to be hosed down to begin with]]. And claiming that "boss themes mean nothing" is nonsense. They're not everything, but of course they mean something. They're part of the presentation. The mid-bosses share a theme because they're "less important" than the chapter bosses. Not that that's the single defining criterion for what makes a miniboss, but the point is if a game does not actually draw a fine line between "boss" and "miniboss", then there is absolutely no good reason to be forcing the category on it. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 00:13, 7 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::If we're going down that route, I'd like to point out that virtually no game has actually ever referred to a miniboss as a miniboss by the word itself, or anything other than implication, an implication shared with the SPM minibosses. They are presented in an identical manner, ie a lesser boss. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 0:05, 7 July 2017 (CT) | |||
:::::The statement is technically incorrect: in-game data of ''Paper Mario: Color Splash'', such as the unit data table [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12jSeMI6-xEia0ocOrG_ykpCXNoEmX5pGitHnfsuf9ag/pubhtml here], refer to ''zako boss'' and ''boss'', the latter are of course the Koopalings and Bowser, with the former being the other bosses. The distinction is not as arbitrary as it may sound. Still, I don't have a dump of ''Super Paper Mario'', so I don't know how developers classify the bosses in the game.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 05:51, 7 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::::Doc von Schmeltwick noted that no boss is ever referred to as mid-boss or mini-boss in any game. I would like to note the page [[Superboss]] is about to be deleted, partially for the fact that superboss is a fan term. Could the same scenario apply here? | |||
::::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 09:14, 7 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::::At the moment, I only have information on ''Paper Mario: Color Splash'' and ''Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time'', both games that do not feature Superbosses, so I cannot say anything direct on the matter of Superbosses. What is said here applies exclusively to the matter of mini-bosses and bosses, on which data confirm that developers indeed make such distinction.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 20:29, 7 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Empty sections == | |||
How should I deal with the empty [[Super Paper Mario#Bestiary|bestiary]] and [[Super Paper Mario#Staff|staff]] sections of this article. Should I just add some common enemies and recurring bosses to the bestiary section and some major staff members?<br> | |||
{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 14:30, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br> | |||
P.S. The quote section is also empty, but I can deal with that no problem. | |||
:Yeah, random examples would work. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:45, 2 February 2018 (EST) | |||
::A list of random staff members wouldn't work, per the [[MarioWiki:Empty sections|Empty sections policy page]]. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 15:04, 2 February 2018 (EST) | |||
== Regarding the khinsider soundtrack == | |||
[https://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/super-paper-mario this, specifically.] | |||
does anyone have any idea where this upload came from? i can find no mention of it online anywhere. i'm particularly curious about this because the khinsider tracks are much cleaner than direct rips from the game, and are even at double the sample rate! the khinsider tracks are 44.1khz, but the SPM game files only have them at 22.05khz (besides a few outliers which are 32khz). there are even unused jingles! as far as i can tell, there is a similar soundtrack upload for TTYD on the site, same increased music quality and all. it's really strange - if someone had found all the samples and recreated the tracks from scratch, you'd think there would be a thread about it on some forum somewhere, or they'd be on Church of Kondo, or anything... | |||
i only have a few small leads: it was reuploaded to Sitting on Clouds, and that page has an Amazon link, but it is both dead and the URL suggests it's for a completely different game anyway. the khinsider page claims the soundtrack release is from 2013, so maybe the Mr. L track was lifted from the Year of Luigi CD release that happened that year. the cover image appears to be based on the JP/EU box art - this has a small page curl graphic overlapping the logo, but there are a lot of official Nintendo promotional images of differing sizes floating around that it could be based on (likely [https://purenintendo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/t01_800-600.jpg this one], which appears to be official). i did a search on TinEye but none of the matches were this specific square Original Sound Version image, so unfortunately i haven't been able to determine when it first appeared on the internet. Google gets a lot closer but none of the images seem to be dated at first and they definitely don't let you ''sort'' by date, either, which is a little frustrating. | |||
as for where the files themselves come from, i have a few ideas, but nothing concrete. i had initially thought they might be from the Wii U eShop version, but i looked up some footage and the music matched the Wii ingame files. the disc I've owned since childhood is a North American Rev. 2 copy, so maybe other regions got higher quality music files? there's plenty of room on the disc, considering the extracted files for SPM come out to under 500 megabytes. | |||
if anyone has any more information than i do, please reply! i'm really curious about all this - it's a very interesting mystery. [[User:MANGOM1LK|MANGOM1LK]] ([[User talk:MANGOM1LK|talk]]) 20:14, May 4, 2022 (EDT) | |||