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 ::Yep, remove it from here, and put an entry in the Rumours page about the whole thing instead, seeing as the name's presence here resulted in it being pretty pervasive in fanon and whatnot - erroneously, it seems. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 18:01, 9 November 2014 (EST)
-:::I know this issue has been solved already, but just as a note I'd like to include the fact that Clawdia Koopa was a character created by the owner of [http://www.lemmykoopa.com/ Lemmy's Land]. Here's a [http://www.lemmykoopa.com/lkmain.html source] for that (scroll down to "Disclaimer"). {{unsigned|‎Joey}}
+:::I know this issue has been solved already, but just as a note I'd like to include the fact that Clawdia Koopa was a character created by the owner of [http://www.lemmykoopa.com/ Lemmy's Land]. Here's a [http://www.lemmykoopa.com/lkmain.html source] for that (scroll down to "Disclaimer"). {{unsigned|Joey}}
 ::::Yeah, we knew that a long time ago. We discussed it in the forum too, another user has said that already, and [[List of rumors and urban legends about Mario#Clawdia Koopa|why you can see that on another page already here in MarioWiki.]] {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:48, 12 September 2015 (EDT)
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 == Merge some character pages into this list ==
+{{SettledTPP}}
-{{TPP}}
+{{ProposalOutcome|passed|9-0-0-7-0-0|Merge both to the list}}
 So, it seems I opened a can of worms [[Talk:Chestnut King#Uniqueness?|here]].
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 The English version is the anomaly here, not everyone else conspiring against it. The way I look at it is, if we were a Japanese, French, German, or Italian (or Spanish?) language wiki, would this even be a discussion? "''Man, Goomba King has a perfectly serviceable article, but it's really a pressing issue that we must add Goomba King to our list of implied characters!''" No, that would be laughable to suggest, and is the equivalent of the notion of adding Mushville / Mushroom Town and Goomstar Temple to the list of implied locations, among other things. Or should we blindly trust the translation that proudly gave us [https://legendsoflocalization.com/that-one-time-lakitu-started-throwing-pipes/ "Spiny Pipes"] when it's convenient? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 04:15, 19 July 2018 (EDT)
-:Goomstar Temple ''is'' on the [[list of implied locations]]. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 04:18, 19 July 2018 (EDT)
+:Goomstar Temple ''is'' on the [[list of implied places]]. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 04:18, 19 July 2018 (EDT)
 ::It's more like no one bothered to remove it and turn it into a redirect, not that it was consciously added with this knowledge in mind. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 04:25, 19 July 2018 (EDT)
 :::That aside, if the English translation actually did name him "Goomba King", I'd be completely confused. I'd be like "Wait, since when was the Goomba King the unwillingly mutated lover of a princess from some kingdom I've never heard of? In the original he was a Goomba who had Bowser make him a king with the Star Rod! This makes no sense whatsoever!" It has a lot to do with why the ''SMG'' Mecha-Bowser info was split off [[Mecha-Bowser]]'s article - it's too different from the one we're familiar with to be considered the same thing. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 04:18, 19 July 2018 (EDT)
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 ::How would you explain the different languages explicitly being Goomba King? Luigi overall is "very sketchy" to begin with and pondering about plausibility, especially in a Mario game, is overthinking it. It would make sense to not make many assumptions, but the other languages consistently call this character a Goomba King. I'm not sure why the English translators kept it as "Chestnut King", but it coincides with the other Japanese-English direct names like that Crystal Palace and Toad Toad one. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 01:05, 29 July 2018 (EDT)
 ::But what about [[Raphael the Raven]]? Boss enemy in ''Yoshi's Island'', ally in ''Paper Mario''. If he can be used to pull off different roles, why not Goomba King? [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 03:19, 29 July 2018 (EDT)
-::I always assumed the "puddles of toxic goo" line was drama fluff. Anyways, that he may have not written them lessens my point none whatsoever. Anyways, aside form the aforementioned Raphael (Boss in SMW2, ally in PM, and generic enemy in YNI), there's also the ''Tetris Attack'' situation, where everyone except Bowser, Kamek, Hookbill, and Naval Piranha are apparently Yoshi's friends, including things like [[Lunge Fish]] and [[Gargantua Blargg]]. I think it's ''very'' important to recall, in these situations, Miyamoto's assertion that the cast is mostly just a group of actors with various roles, and not some concrete set-in-stone consistent tale. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 03:28, 29 July 2018 (EDT)
+::I always assumed the "puddles of toxic goo" line was drama fluff. Anyways, that he may have not written them lessens my point none whatsoever. Anyways, aside form the aforementioned Raphael (Boss in SMW2, ally in PM, and unique minor enemy in YNI), there's also the ''Tetris Attack'' situation, where everyone except Bowser, Kamek, Hookbill, and Naval Piranha are apparently Yoshi's friends, including things like [[Lunge Fish]] and [[Gargantua Blargg]]. I think it's ''very'' important to recall, in these situations, Miyamoto's assertion that the cast is mostly just a group of actors with various roles, and not some concrete set-in-stone consistent tale. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 03:28, 29 July 2018 (EDT)
+:::Who knows, Luigi might be hallucinating, recalling something wildly improperly, or is full of shit. Debating this sort of thing is a waste of time. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 14:19, 29 July 2018 (EDT)
+This proposal hasn't passed. Rule 10 states that "if a proposal [...] can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes, otherwise the deadline will be extended for another week as if no majority was reached at all." The margin, being 9-7, is less than three. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 21:28, 31 July 2018 (EDT)
+:Actually, that rule states that they be extended '''if there's only two voting options.''' This proposal did, in fact, pass. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 21:48, 31 July 2018 (EDT)
+::Yeah, didn't mean to leave out the part. I was under impression, from memory, that there has to be a margin of three if there are more than 10 votes. I thought the rule was in place just not to complicate votes for three or more options. There are only two options that got ''any'' votes, so effectively, it seems like two options.... {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 22:29, 31 July 2018 (EDT)
+:::(this is for the last part) Not really, since neither were the "do nothing" option. Both were doing something. There can't be a proposal with just those two options without an oppose option. (And it really can be viewed that way due to Scarlet being merged for either option that were voted for.) {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 23:22, 31 July 2018 (EDT)
+== Move Ferndozers? ==
+Right now, Ferndozers from Donkey Kong Country Returns are listed on this page, but I think this is a mistake since they never truly appear in-game and are only seen in concept art. Wouldn't this make more sense in an unused content section on the DKCR page? --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 13:51, 5 January 2019 (EST)
+:It would make sense to move the Ferndozers to the Unused content section on the DKCR page, as Ferndozers are never implied, they are simply unused. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 13:57, 5 January 2019 (EST)
+::I agree as well, since the only reason they do not appear in the actual game is because they were removed. I do not believe anything else shown only in concept art is listed on implied pages. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 14:27, 5 January 2019 (EST)
+== Watt's mother and "The child of Li'l Sparky" ==
+Is Watt's mother is actually supposed to be (a) Li'l Sparky, or is "The child of Li'l Sparky" just a mistranslation of Watt being a Li'l Sparky child? [[Special:Contributions/85.243.109.179|85.243.109.179]] 06:52, April 8, 2021 (EDT)
+== Make a List of Unused Species/Variants/Characters ==
+{{SettledTPP}}
+{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-4|Don't make page}}
+Should we make a page for the list for Unused Species/Variants/Characters?
+'''Proposer''': {{User|MontyMoleLoreMaster}} (blocked)<br>
+'''Deadline''': November 21, 2021, 23:59 GMT
+===Support===
+<del>#{{User|MontyMoleLoreMaster}} I think we should make a page for Unused species/variants/characters due to many of them being original, yet never getting a page because of them being unused (like Moto). Some species also have various characters or variants that went unused as well (like King Choropu) that do deserve to be mentioned more then just a tiny other appearances mention. If these characters did later return, we could give them their own pages. Should we also list unused characters into species templates as well or no? Anyways, I 100% believe that these unused species/characters/variants should get a page talking about a list of them.</del>
+#{{User|OhoJeeOnFire}} Absolutely. Per proposal.
+===Oppose===
+#{{User|Waluigi Time}} I don't really see this being viable, implied characters are at least mentioned in some form of media that gives us information to go off of. There's not that much to say about anything that's unused, on the other hand. Generally all we get is a design for them and ''maybe'' a name if we're lucky, so the bulk of the page would just be describing pictures and often using conjectural names. The individual pre-release pages for games suffice, in my opinion.
+#{{User|Swallow}} Per Waluigi Time.
+#{{User|Sdman213}} Per all.
+#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per all. Unless a very strong criteria was established for what could go on this page, it would become bloated very quickly with insignificant information.
+===Comments===
+Personally I think mentioning unused stuff is just fine, even if a lot of it is conjectural names. This stuff was part of development at one point or another, so I think it is fair to have unused characters having a page like implied characters (most implied characters also don’t even have a physical appearance, like how most unused characters don’t have a confirmed name). [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 12:55, November 8, 2021 (EST)
+== Mischievous Mole ==
+Should Mischievous Mole be here since they have some character behind the descriptions for the levels they made? Should they also be considered a Monty Mole since Monty Moles and Rocky Wrenches are the only mole enemies in the Super Mario Maker games? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 18:38, December 6, 2021 (EST)
+Also should some course creators from the Super Mario Maker 2 story mode be considered implied characters as well? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 18:41, December 9, 2021 (EST)
+This question still needs some closure. [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 12:46, December 11, 2021 (EST)
+== Split Blumiere's father and Scarlette ==
+{{SettledTPP}}
+{{ProposalOutcome|passed|7-0-0-0|split both}}
+Time for the Paper Mario series to yet again shake up this page. Thanks to Mariuigi Khed's continuing efforts to expand our Super Mario-kun coverage (much appreciated, by the way), we now know that both Blumiere's father and Scarlette appear in the adaptations of their respective games. [[:File:Blumiere's father SMKun.png|Blumiere's father]] just physically appears outright, albeit silhouetted (and sports a magnificent mustache). By definition, he's not implied anymore, so there really shouldn't be much contention here. [[:File:Scarlette SMKun.png|Scarlette]], on the other hand, only appears in a photo, though there is precedent for splitting characters on that basis as well (i.e. the Croacus rulers). Because of this I've included options to split only one or the other.
+There are a few other characters who will need their placement reconsidered after this proposal (i.e. K. Rool's wife), but for simplicity, I'm just focusing on these two for now. Further proposals may not be necessary as this could be used as precedent.
+'''Proposer''': {{User|Waluigi Time}}<br>
+'''Deadline''': March 17, 2022, 23:59 GMT
+====Split both====
+#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per proposal.
+#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Visual appearance in other media, per proposal.
+#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|Hewer}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|Tails777}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|RHG1951}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
+====Split Blumiere's father only====
+====Split Scarlette only====
+====Do nothing====
+====Comments====
+== Wario's Mother ==
+The page lists Wario's mother as believing Wario to be too goofy to warrant birthday parties as a child, and that this was stated in Wario's Warehouse. The Wario's Warehouse Talk page supposedly has all of the articles posted, but none of them include that detail. Does anyone have a source on that?
+--[[User:Tokiro7|Tokiro7]] ([[User talk:Tokiro7|talk]]) 20:32, September 5, 2022 (EDT)
+==Split a few more?==
+{{talk}}
+Following up on the Blumiere's father and Scarlette proposal above, shouldn't King K. Rool's wife be split too at least? Perhaps also do something about Mogura Kong and X-Naut Johnson (who does seem to be present as one of the random members of the group, but we just don't know which one)? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:53, January 8, 2023 (EST)
+== Monty Mole king ==
+@RipBlue_hime on Twitter says that the [[List of implied characters#Monty Mole king|Monty Mole king]] does not exist. The「大王さま」("great king") in the quote refers to Bowser instead. --[[User:Dine2017|Dine2017]] ([[User talk:Dine2017|talk]]) 22:57, March 28, 2023 (EDT)
+:I have removed the entry after finding the post in question. For whatever reason my null edits for the edit reason are not displaying so pretend it says "https://twitter.com/RipBlue_hime/status/1638890059373096960 a native japanese speaker indicates there's no such character in the text and it's a generic reference to bowser" --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 23:43, March 28, 2023 (EDT)
+:[[User_talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster#RE:_Manga_Translations|...That is my bad]], for some reason it didn't occur to me that the king would be Bowser (even though I literally said another minion called him "King" before this). {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 09:34, March 29, 2023 (EDT)
+== Merging Grandma Mia with Grandma Mario ==
+{{Talk}}
+I recently restored the Grandma Mia entry the list because it's deletion caused many links to go nowhere. However, I do agree with the editor that deleted it that it should not belong. The fact that it was gone for three years but no one missed it despite breaking a lot of links is telling. This time, all links would be redirected.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 07:53, April 6, 2023 (EDT)