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 :I have both the NP and the Prima guides for SMS, but only Prima gives a name: Swoopin' Stu. [[User: Monty Mole|<span style="font-family:BrushScrD; color:#C0D9D9;"><font size="3"><i>Monty Mole]]</i></font></span> (<span style="font-family:Vrinda">[[User talk:Monty Mole|Talk]]&middot;[[Special: Contributions/Monty Mole|Contribs]]</span>) 11:13, 29 October 2006 (EST)
 ::I thought Swoopin' Stus were the flying form of Strollin' Stus. That would make sense, right? -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
-:::But why name it "Name Kuri"? That name seems highly obscure and doesnt make sense. &ndash; [[User Talk:Spike|Spike]][[Image:Spike_sheild_badge.PNG]]
+:::But why name it "Name Kuri"? That name seems highly obscure and doesnt make sense. &ndash; [[User Talk:Knife|Spike]][[Image:Spike Shield Badge PM.png]]
 ::::The "Name" is "Kurintly" unknown! Ha ha ha ha hooookay that wasn't funny. I agree with Spike, where'd that name come from? [[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]][[User:Parayoshi|<span style="color: green">Para Yoshi</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Parayoshi|<tt>Wahoo!</tt>]]</sup>[[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]] 20:31, 29 October 2006 (EST)
 :::::Son of Suns, that's a Swipin' Stu. Because they swipe Mario's Hat. [[User: Monty Mole|<span style="font-family:BrushScrD; color:#C0D9D9;"><font size="3"><i>Monty Mole]]</i></font></span> (<span style="font-family:Vrinda">[[User talk:Monty Mole|Talk]]&middot;[[Special: Contributions/Monty Mole|Contribs]]</span>) 15:48, 30 October 2006 (EST)
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 ==Toadstool Tour==
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 It says the name "Gooble" came from a scorecard in ''Toadstool Tour''. Is there any indication it was referring to these, and not, say, [[Glorpedo]] or [[Goop Generator]]? [[Eely-Mouth|There were some]] [[Plungelo|pretty baffling things]] [[Phantamanta|to make the]] [[Mecha-Bowser|scorecard]], (which seemed to be primarily characters and bosses, not generic enemies) so I wouldn't throw all possibility aside. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:31, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
 :Well, "Glorpedo" already appears on the scorecard (according to the page's trivia), and it seems unlikely that there would be two separate names for the same subject. It's technically possible that "Glorpedo" actually refers to what we're currently calling Gooble and vice-versa, but I'd associate "Glorpedo" with the objects being launched as projectiles (like a torp'''edo'''). {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 20:40, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
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 :::::::::::::::::You're missing the point. It contains ''{{wp|Chestnut|Kuri}}'', much like ''[[Goomba|Kuribou]]'', ''[[Galoomba|Kuribon]]'', ''[[Wanderin' Goom|Kurikuri]]'', and ''[[Strollin' Stu|Kurin]]''. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:40, 27 January 2019 (EST)
 ::::::::::::::::::The internal filename "Namekuri" might come from the word "Namekuji", which means "Slug", implying that they we're based off of a slug. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 01:48, 13 February 2019 (EST)
+:::::::::::::::::::Yes. Basically, "slugoom," to Woolseyize a bit. It does ''kinda'' look like a slug, but does moreso in those early pre-release screenshots (when it would have been given said preliminary name). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:41, 13 February 2019 (EST)
+Hold on, another overlooked detail. I'll need to be brief, but anyways, in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPAQUvyKKX0 very early trailer], around Hinokuri, smaller Hinokuri-like creatures that seem to waver around in a sluglike manner can be seen, and seem to spawn from right underneath it. Given how Hinokuri spawns these Swoopy things and Strollin' Stus in the final's test area, it would surprise me if this wasn't an early rendition of one of these. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:51, 13 February 2019 (EST)
+== Stu? ==
+Why are these considered a variant of Strollin' Stus, besides the English name? I mean, they don't really look like each other, and their Japanese names are completely different. [[Special:Contributions/85.243.109.179|85.243.109.179]] 08:29, April 6, 2021 (EDT)
+:Because that was a recent revision I had not caught. It's fixed now. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:14, April 6, 2021 (EDT)
+::I think they are suppose to be a variety of Stu. The internal file name for the enemy is "Namekuri". The suffix "-kuri" likely is related to "Hamukuri", the internal file name for Strollin' Stu, which suggests an intentional relationship at least during the development stage. You're right, the enemies do not initially seem like they should be related, but it is partially for that reason alone I would think they have some officially recognized relationship. If Prima Games (e.g. not the localizers at Nintendo Treehouse, who have direct regular communications with the Japanese developers) came up with the English name for this enemy, I would have suspected that they would have localized it under a different name (e.g. "Goopy Slug" or something like that).
+::I think it's worth noting that, according to the Japanese release of the ''Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia'', the enemies in ''Super Mario Sunshine'' are not naturally occurring beings: they were created by Bowser Jr. and are made out of goop. This may have been a retroactive attribution made to give some context to the game in paratext, but there are environmental and behavioral details within the game that suggests this was a legitimate detail they had in mind when making ''Super Mario Sunshine'', one of which being that Swoopin' Stus spawn from goop. My assumption is that Swoopin' Stu is a primordial Stu, which is why it looks gelatinous and without clear form. I think it is noteworthy that the giant Piranha Plants in the goop have most recently been localized as "[[Proto Piranha Plant]]s". "Proto" suggests they also are a primordial form of the regular Piranha Plant enemies in the game, so it not something that seems like a stretch to apply to Swoopin' Stus, or at least it does not seem like one to me. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 14:20, April 6, 2021 (EDT)
+:::While they may have both been based off Goomba in development, I think it needs noting that the Strollin' Stus in the initial trailer (featuring the infamous Hinokuri) look a lot more like normal Goombas than in the final, while Swoopin' Stu's final JP name is more similar to [[Milde]]s' than Goombas'. I think there was enough divergence in development that they're ''certainly'' no more similar than, say, Electrokoopa and Snooza Koopa, which are both still Troopas in the final version (but one is not a subtype of the other). As for "proto," I take that to be short for "protoplasm," ie living slime. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:56, April 6, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Still, with the HinoKuri connection being several degrees away, maybe "relative" is better? Though in that case, I'd say something like Lakitu and Spiny (Egg) are more closely related, and Lakitus don't even always throw them. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:55, April 21, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Lakitu and Spinies are both koopas. Wouldn't that make them inherently at least a little related in a species sense? - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 15:36, April 21, 2021 (EDT)
+==Gooble it?==
+After some thought about it, should we consider the "-in' Stu" name to be an error and use "Gooble" for ''Super Mario Sunshine'' material now that Mario Portal confirmed the name? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:18, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
+: Well, considering that the Mario Portal constantly calls Banzai Bills "Boomer Bills" even in early translations and calls Antottos "ants", I don't think so. Plus, it's important to remember that Prima most likely didn't know the "true name" of these guys, see "Plungelo" which are ''never'' called that in strategy guides because the name comes from one generic, random NPC. Plus, this ''really'' should have required a proposal. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 12:58, August 15, 2022 (EDT)
+::Not really. The page was moved from Gooble to Swoopin' Stu in the first place because it wasn't verified at the time that Gooble from ''Toadstool Tour'' referred to Swoopin' Stu. Now that we know it does for sure, it can go back per policy. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 02:26, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
+::: Eeeh, I'm not sure, because as the page says, puchipuchi just means bubbles being popped. Besides, I'm more than a little doubtful of these "official" English names because aside from calling Banzai Bills "Bomber Bills" and Bulls-Eye Banzai "Bull's Eye Bomber Bills", there's the Mario Portal calling Antottos "ants" which were a generic name from Nintendo Power and Ice Piranha Plants "Frost Piranhas" from Paper Mario despite the completely different look and powers. I mean, if you want to say that these guys are "Goobles" and not "Swoopin' Stus", then go ahead, but I'm very doubtful of the Mario Portal's "new names". [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 18:57, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
+::::Bomber Bill isn't that far off from Boomer Bill, and Parabomb I can imagine being renamed because the wings and parachute in the ''Super Mario Maker 2'' make the "para-" less obvious. And aside from the ''Super Mario Land'' games mostly keeping the romanizations and a handful of ''Encyclopedia'' carryovers, there really isn't much wrong with Mario Portal. In fact, I sincerely think the ''Super Mario Land 2'' generic names were researched since it spotted the name for Tōsanbōru before us. They do approach legacy names differently than we at the wiki, but that's also to its benefit since it also makes it clearer what's what in some ways. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:24, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
+:::::I agree that Gooble should be the name used for ''Super Mario Sunshine'' material going forward. While there are a couple of odd choices, Mario Portal is maintained by Nintendo themselves, unlike the English localization for the ''Super Mario Encyclopedia''. (There are even examples of some of these English names being used recently for North American merchandise before Mario Portal even offered English names, such as with the Lego sets, so I am personally inclined to think that most if not all of these names have official, internal utilization as well.) If Mario Portal cannot be trusted as a reliable source for the names of the series' enemies, than what can be? - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 22:43, August 17, 2022 (EDT)
+::::::Thought I'd give my two cents and agree that Gooble should be the main name used from now on. I think it's significant that an official Nintendo source used the name so recently, and that it lines up with the name's appearance in Toadstool Tour as has been mentioned already. The fact that Gooble has been used twice in official sources directly from Nintendo gives it more credence than the Prima name, at least in my opinion. - [[User:SocialFrog|SocialFrog]] ([[User talk:SocialFrog|talk]]) 22:18, August 18, 2022 (EDT)
+:::::: The only problem is at the time, we didn't think that "Gooble" meant these guys, as for Proto Piranhas, everyone ignored the new name because it only showed up on a scorecard in Toadstool Tour that no one looks at for more than a few seconds until Ultimate loudly and explicitly stated what the new name was. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 07:59, August 20, 2022 (EDT)
+::::::: I always thought the Gooble name made far more sense for them than "Swoopin' Stu": they look like goo and they emerge from puddles... okay maybe this is a stretch, but makes more sense than the later name when they don't ressemble any of the other Stus at all and don't do any swooping.  --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 09:11, August 20, 2022 (EDT)
+::::::::I always thought the "Swoopin' Stus" were referring to [[Winged Strollin' Stu]]s. I feel like the Prima guide made a huge error in naming the thing. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 22:26, August 25, 2022 (EDT)
+:::::::::{{User|Arend}} brought up a similar idea on the Winged Strollin' Stu [[Talk:Winged Strollin' Stu|talk page]]. @PrincessPeachFan: Before then, hardly anyone compared ''Toadstool Tour'' score names with the Japanese version (because it's kind of a hassle without a text dump). For instance, we had no clue what "Purp" referred to until Mario Portal too. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:51, August 27, 2022 (EDT)
+== are Goobles Goombas? ==
+the internal name for the Gooble is namekuri2 kuri referring to kuribo(goomba) and the original name was Swoopin Stu but the most common name now is Gooble which does not refer to goombas so again are they goombas? {{unsigned|Tea-drinkin stu}}
+:I like to see more evidence. {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:06, October 26, 2023 (EDT)