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 ==Proposal: Costume Mario Sprites- accurate or visible?==
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 Well then. There has been a bit of a disagreement on whether or not we should resize the sprites in the Mystery Suits table, even resulting in a borderline [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Costume_Mario&oldid=1887731 edit war] (no fingers pointed at anyone). The advantages of not resizing the sprites is that they are more accurate and consistent to, say, ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]''. However, I can say that I can ''barely'' see them in their current size, especially with good old [[Necky the Fox|Necky]] towering over them all. Right now, I would rather resize them slightly, but I'm going to wait to see what you guys think first.
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 :::::::100px is definitely too big, 39px looks good/is a good compromise. [[User:ChromStrikes|ChromStrikes]] ([[User talk:ChromStrikes|talk]]) 23:05, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
 ::::::::As for the blurry thing, I agree they're not really blurry. They get blurry only when you resize them and compress them with an image editor, as these act like .svg files when you resize them. It's probably optical illusion. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 23:18, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
-:::::::::That's what I meant. I did'nt really mean they get very blurry, but when they are very big, they aren't very HD.[[File:PowerKamekSignature.png|150px|link=User:PowerKamek]]([[User talk:PowerKamek|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/PowerKamek|contribs]])<span style="color:red;font-family:monospace">Kamek Power!</span> 23:31, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
+:::::::::That's what I meant. I did'nt really mean they get very blurry, but when they are very big, they aren't very HD. {{User:PowerKamek/sig}} 23:31, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
 ::::::::::That is how the sprites look, they're not meant to be HD. They're not going to be HD either way you spin it. [[User:ChromStrikes|ChromStrikes]] ([[User talk:ChromStrikes|talk]]) 00:49, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
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 :Then the sprites should be left at their normal size. It's literally only one game compared to the rest of the times the sprites were ---ing used in this wiki. Where's the consistency? {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 14:40, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
 ::Nowhere to be seen. [[User:AnonBaiter|AnonBaiter]] ([[User talk:AnonBaiter|talk]]) 22:33, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
-If you disagree with my vote, here's a test: take a device with a screen (a cell phone, 3ds, GamePad, etc) and hold it about 2.5 inches away from your eyes. Of it's blurry, then I've proven my point. Of not, then your vision is better than mine. (I'm 20/20) [[File:RoyNSMBU.png|x35px]] [[User:Roy Koopa|Roy]] [[User talk:Roy Koopa|Koopa]] 07:19, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
+If you disagree with my vote, here's a test: take a device with a screen (a cell phone, 3ds, GamePad, etc) and hold it about 2.5 inches away from your eyes. Of it's blurry, then I've proven my point. Of not, then your vision is better than mine. (I'm 20/20) [[File:NSMBU Roy Artwork.png|x35px]] [[User:Roy Koopa|Roy]] [[User talk:Roy Koopa|Koopa]] 07:19, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
 :Um, no. Distance from your eyes and size of the picture are separate things. {{User:Pyro Guy/sig}} 11:28, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
 ::Now that isn't true because the size of the screen (aka the picture) gets bigger as you put it closer. To prove this, start about 12 inches away and gradually move closer. When it gets blurry, it should be about 2.5 inches. {{User:Roy Koopa/sig}} 12:22, 15 September 2015
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 ::::I agree with {{User|Walkazo}}, the silver background has got to go, as it makes certain parts of the sprites invisible (ie. nearly ''all'' of Chibi-robo, Sonic's legs, Zelda's hair ties, etc.). While  the '''4x size''' ''is'' the best the '''2x size''' is also a good compromise. {{User:Corrin/sig}} 18:39, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
 ::::I really think this proposal should use a revote. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:24, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
-:::::I agree with Baby Luigi and Walkazo.[[File:PowerKamekSignature.png|150px|link=User:PowerKamek]]
+:::::I agree with Baby Luigi and Walkazo. {{User:PowerKamek/sig}}
 ::::::Yeah, cancelling and replacing the proposal would be a good idea. Perhaps the new one could have both 4x and 2x options, both of which would call for the blue background, plus a blue-only/no-size-change option, and a flat opposition. Lots of options, true, but there's lots of opinions. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 19:14, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
 :::::::I've asked The Pyro Guy to cancel this proposal and start a new one. Hopefully he would say yes. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 19:20, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
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 ==Proposal: Resize the Costume Mario Sprites revamp==
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 Well then. There has been a bit of a disagreement on whether or not we should resize the sprites in the Mystery Suits table, even resulting in a borderline [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Costume_Mario&oldid=1887731 edit war] (no fingers pointed at anyone). The advantages of not resizing the sprites is that they are more accurate and consistent to, say, ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]''. However, I can say that I can ''barely'' see them in their current size, especially with good old [[Necky the Fox|Necky]] towering over them all. Right now, I would rather resize them slightly, but I'm going to wait to see what you guys think first.
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 == you guys think you could get some sprites? ==
-cuz it'd be nice if i could get information from this wiki
+cuz it'd be nice if i could get information from this wiki {{unsigned|76.111.178.46}}
+:Costumes 1-101 contain full sprite rips straight from the game. If you are looking for complete sprite sets for the entire game, please visit [http://www.spriters-resource.com/wii_u/supermariomaker/ The Spriter's Resource]. {{User:Pyro Guy/sig}} 02:24, 22 February 2016 (EST)
+::there are images of the sprites on twitter. i could get them for you but it would defy my morals by helping this wiki more than just leaving somewhat snarky talk page messages. [[Special:Contributions/76.111.178.46|76.111.178.46]] 12:55, 23 February 2016 (EST)
+do you guys even know what twitter ''is''? because they just announced a new costume, and it was listed on SmashWiki before you, and it's not their job to list it. [[Special:Contributions/76.111.178.46|76.111.178.46]] 22:15, 23 February 2016 (EST)
+:We are waiting for direct rips from the data. --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 14:06, 24 February 2016 (EST)
+::...then why do you have birdo, bike, etc.
+::besides, the hackers say it's going to be near impossible to get those sprites. ignoring existing resources to get a form of consistency that will be near impossible is... well, a completely brainless action that only mariowiki would consider proper.
+:::Birdo, Bike, etc. are from Nintendo's Twitter, which the source is already provided. Direct rips are ideal, but we resort to Twitter when we can. If there isn't any images despite an image being hosted on Twitter, it's simple editor oversight (this wiki is big, many of us can't get updated on everything you know), which you can go ahead and fix it yourself if you dislike this wiki but still somehow care enough to comment and whine about it. The rippers are most likely going to find a way to extract the data, it's just trickier to do so. It's hardly impossible. On your whining about SmashWiki getting information before us, it takes some time for it to get here, bitching about it won't magically solve your problems. No one wants your toxic sour attitude around here, so stop posting unhelpful condescending comments or the staff here will be glad to help you just as they banned you previously for one month for the same shitty attitude. [[Special:Contributions/207.233.76.9|207.233.76.9]] 21:18, 3 March 2016 (EST)
+'sup Peanutjon, still salty we didn't censor the Bob Hoskins page? --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 20:15, 6 March 2016 (EST)
+== Wolf Link costume ==
+Where was the source for the unlock info for the Wolf Link costume can be cleared in the future event course, I only did heard it from GameXplain that the costume can be add it from using the Wolf Link amiibo?[[User:King Marth 64|King Marth 64]] ([[User talk:King Marth 64|talk]]) 20:17, 3 March 2016 (EST)
+== Spaghetti Mario? ==
+I have seen a costume not listed here while playing. It's an odd-looking tall, skinny Mario that some people called "Spaghetti Mario". Is this important? ----72.196.121.153
+:That's [[Weird Mario]] powered up with a [[Weird Mushroom]] and no, it's not part of Costume Mario, so that's why it's not listed. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 11:54, 12 November 2018 (EST)
+== Toad Costume  ==
+The game claims that Toad is from Super Mario Bros.  This is incorrect, as he debuted in SMB2.   [[User:CBFan5|CBFan5]] ([[User talk:CBFan5|talk]]) 20:43, July 11, 2020 (EDT)
+:That's what it said in-game. Although you are technically correct for that specific blue-vest Red Toad, but Toads in general actually debuted in ''Super Mario Bros.''. - {{User:Infinite8/sig}} 00:54, July 12, 2020 (EDT)
+==Create articles for all Costume Mario characters==
+{{SettledTPP}}
+{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-18|Do not create articles}}
+Yes, you read that right. Here's the thing, Super Mario Maker is a main series game, and these are playable characters (mere reskins of Super Mario yes, but still playable characters) in that game that don't have articles. The descriptions of the characters often don't explain anything about the actual character, and a decent amount of them don't even provide a link to another wiki that would provide that information. Who is Ayumi Tachibana? I have no idea, and the wiki doesn't give any information (beyond "this is a character from a video game") or direct me anywhere I can find out. So, now we're in a situation where I can encounter a character in a main series Mario game, and the best the wiki can give me on that character is essentially "go Google it".
+Technically, this could also be fixed by writing/expanding the descriptions we have now. However, I'm worried that this will end up bloating the Costume Mario page with information that's not really pertinent to the game itself, and also, these are characters in a Mario game after all, what's the harm in having articles for them?
+'''Proposer''': {{User|Waluigi Time}}<br>
+'''Deadline''': March 27, 2021, 23:59 GMT
+===Support===
+#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Bring on the costumes.
+===Oppose===
+#{{User|Ray Trace}} I personally think creating pages for each individual, nonMario costume is excessive, straddles our coverage, and that's what they all are, glorified alternate costumes, which a lot of repetitive information (*guy* is alternate costume in Super Mario Maker. *some basic info* *what he could do in Super Mario maker*) on repeat. Many of the crossover characters are justified because they had an appearance as playable fighters in Super Smash Bros. If the character does not have adequate information, then just externally link their name to an outside wiki such as in Ayumi's case. Keep in mind that I don't totally agree with our current Smash Bros. coverage either and should be trimmed down.
+#{{User|Glowsquid}} Beside everything said above, I think likening alternate skins (it's in the name!) to fully realized playable characters is not a valid comparison.
+#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per Ray Trace and Glowsquid. The costumes act more as alternate skins rather than distinct characters, with none of the costumes granting unique abilities. Due to this, I feel they would be considered cameos rather than full guest appearances.
+#{{User|Keyblade Master}} These articles would most likely be way too short and similar to each other.
+#{{User|7feetunder}} These are alternate costume cameos, plain and simple. Articles on all of them would bloat the wiki with a lot of tangential information. We can just expand the descriptions a bit if people reading this wiki really need to know who Ayumi Tachibana and BABYMETAL are.
+#{{User|Doomhiker}} Given how truly random some of the Costume Mario characters are, the proposal passing will result in us having pages for characters such as Shaun the Sheep and Hello Kitty. These Costume Mario characters are just well, costumes, and not the actual characters themselves being playable. At least with Deku Babas, those actually appear as the actual enemies themselves, while the only thing appearing here is the costume of these characters. It's not like these Costume characters do much in terms of gameplay: sound and graphics aside Sonic acts the same as Hello Kitty, etc. If something like Shaun the Sheep actually had the actual character appear as more than a costume, then I'd be fine with splitting, but for now this is a bit silly. For example, Bubble has a page because the actual character is playable in ''King of Swing''; it's not just a mere costume.
+#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} [[File:WarioSMM.png]] List works fine. Additional info, such as information for Yu Ayasaki, can be linked to Wikipedia. If such link does not exist or you think is inadequate, either we put a brief description of the outfit or we use an inline note tag<code><nowiki><ref group="note"></ref></nowiki></code> or an asterisk like we use for the playable character lists. [[File:Waluigi SMM.png]]
+#{{User|Alex95}} - Consider we're currently trying to limit our Smash coverage, I don't see much of a point to do this. These articles would just have a lot of minor, duplicate information because they basically are Super Mario with no game play changes. Per BLOF and Glowsquid, really.
+#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all.
+#{{user|TheDarkStar}} - Per all
+#{{User|Power Flotzo}} We definitely don't need a bunch of short, redundant articles about what are essentially the same character. Per all.
+#{{User|Duckfan77}} Per all.
+#{{User|Wynn Liaw}} They are just costumes and they do not do anything except for changing the look of Mario and sound effects.
+#{{User|Hewer}} Per all, this would be pointless.
+#{{User|Superbound}} Overkill. [[Talk:List of Yoshi designs in Yoshi's Woolly World#These characters need pages.|Something similar was discussed few years ago]] and it honestly feels like repeat of it. Additionally per everyone else above me.
+#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per all.
+#{{User|Sdman213}} Per all.
+#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Per all.
+===Comments===
+@Ray Trace: I think it's perfectly within our coverage and not excessive at all. This isn't a crossover after all, it's a main series Mario game. Encountering a character in a Mario game and then going to the Mario Wiki to find out who the heck they are only to get sent somewhere else (or nowhere at all, in some cases) isn't beneficial to our readers. A simple opening paragraph or two explaining the gist of the character without going into too much detail as we do for any other crossover character and then followed up by an explanation of their role in the game should suffice. I don't think the articles would be repetitive either, as nearly every costume has some variation with their sound effects and their action when you press the up button, and many of them have unique unlock methods and even special event courses tied to them. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 14:56, March 13, 2021 (EST)
+:The characters that appear here are more like cameos than they truly are guest characters in the same vein as [[Slime (Dragon Quest)]] or [[Platypunk]] are. I think how the list is organized is adequate enough, just externally link their names if basic information on them is a must, as we already do for the series they appear in. In addition, 9-Volt microgames in WarioWare titles have you controlling nonMario characters all the time; Empress Bulbax got merges specifically for that reason. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 15:07, March 13, 2021 (EST)
+::I still question why a cameo character in a Mario game is unworthy of an article. You do bring up a good point with WarioWare, though given those microgames are usually (if not always) "hey look at this Nintendo game" I think you can make a better case for not covering them. (Honestly though, I'm not saying we necessarily should, but I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world if we did) --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 15:16, March 13, 2021 (EST)
+:::Nonplayable cameo characters get relegated to [[List of references in the Mario franchise|this list]] should they appear, but Costume Mario I guess is a bit more substantial than an appearance in that list. However, I don't think it comfortably passes coverage checks either, which is why I think the status quo with extra external links is the best option. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 15:18, March 13, 2021 (EST)
+::::Are there any characters who are solely covered on that list, though? I legitimately can't think of any. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 15:21, March 13, 2021 (EST)
+:::::The Splatoon side-characters who appear in Urchin Underpass (like those jellyfish guys) are one of them, but a lot of characters didn't get articles until they were posthumously added to Smash Bros. such as Duck Hunt or Pikmin and Olimar. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 15:25, March 13, 2021 (EST)
+::::::There are also Deku Babas and Keese, which appear as [[Hyrule Circuit]]-specific reskins of Piranha Plants and Swoops, respectively (and with Rupees in place of coins). There was even a proposal to split them that failed. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 15:30, March 13, 2021 (EST)
+:::::::Well that's concerning, the Splatoon characters don't seem to be covered ''anywhere'', actually. Though given that they at least seem to play no role in the game, not giving them pages is a lot easier to swallow. I probably would support splitting the Zelda subjects if that came up again, though there is the point that they solely appear in a completely Zelda based environment in a Mario game, versus the Costume Mario costumes which are crossover characters tossed into what is otherwise a 100% Mario game. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 15:51, March 13, 2021 (EST)
+@Keyblade Master: Why is a short article a problem? We already have plenty of short articles on subjects that only appear in a single game, it's not our fault Nintendo didn't use them for much. Articles only need to say what's there to be said. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 15:51, March 13, 2021 (EST)
+:In this case at least, it seems to me like all these articles would be something like (this is just an example I made up, I know he's not an actual costume) "Sora is the main protagonist in the ''Kingdom Hearts'' franchise, and one of the Keyblade-weilding guardians of light. In the ''Mario'' series, he appears as a costume for [[Costume Mario]] when using the [[Mystery Mushroom]] in ''[[Super Mario Maker]]'' (then describe button functions)". That's literally all I could think off to put in these articles. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 15:58, March 13, 2021 (EST)
+::That ties more into Ray Trace's point about the resulting articles being samey and repetitive information-wise - shortness is not the issue here. We have tons of short articles on RPG items and such. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 16:01, March 13, 2021 (EST)
+::Well that's pretty much it honestly, though probably a bit more detailed than that, along with mentioning any related courses. But just because there's not a lot to say, that doesn't mean we shouldn't say it. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:03, March 13, 2021 (EST)
+== "Chitoge Kirisakil"? ==
+Custome #125 is listed as "Chitoge Kirisakil", but the final "-l" couldn't be part of a Japanese name. The image name is "[[:File:SMM-CostumeMario-Chitoge Kirisaki.png|File:SMM-CostumeMario-Chitoge '''Kirisaki'''.png]]", and this is also the name of the ''Nisekoi'' protagonist revealed by a Google search. Did SMM really say "Kirisakil"? --[[User:Dine2017|Dine2017]] ([[User talk:Dine2017|talk]]) 00:23, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
+: It turns out that the typo was introduced by [[Special:Diff/2953035|this edit]]. I have fixed it. --[[User:Dine2017|Dine2017]] ([[User talk:Dine2017|talk]]) 02:41, August 9, 2021 (EDT)