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==Un-canon elements==
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Well the Mario RPG's are a bit different from the platformers but I get what your saying. {{unsigned|Huh}}
Well the Mario RPG's are a bit different from the platformers but I get what your saying. {{unsigned|Huh}}
:Every Mario game is different. Mario can do 300 ft high jumps in Mario Strikers Charged when he can't jump higher than 5 ft in Paper Mario 2. But those are gameplay elements. [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 01:32, 16 August 2009 (EDT)
:Every Mario game is different. Mario can do 300 ft high jumps in Mario Strikers Charged when he can't jump higher than 5 ft in Paper Mario 2. But those are gameplay elements. [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 01:32, 16 August 2009 (EDT)
Should we put this section in the article [[Paper Mario (character)]], since in [[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]] it is revealed they are different people? {[[User:Boo X|Boo X]] ([[User talk:Boo X|talk]]) 17:30, 8 May 2016 (EDT)}
:lol, this conversation is very old. It's more appropriate read and respond in [[Talk:Mario#Paper_Mario_2|this section]] (in the same talk page). We don't need to do anything right now, per [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_44#Deal_with_the_duplicate_Paper_subjects_in_Mario_.26_Luigi:_Paper_Jam|this proposal]]. Expanding the scope of that character article to include extensive information outside of ''Paper Jam'' invites canon arguments and also brings up the question of other articles, which is a lot of articles that will have to be split. It is also going on speculation. No, anything that's in the previous ''Paper Mario'' games should stay aside from a small mention in Paper Mario (character) article. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 23:37, 8 May 2016 (EDT)
I think that it's DEFINITELY a spin-off. Super Paper Mario is a good example of this. It's the darkest Mario game ever created!! {{User:MarioFan192/sig}} 11:57, 26 Mar 2018 (EDT)
:I've seen worse in ''[[Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time]]'' and I'd say that ''[[Mario Strikers Charged]]'' is edgier, but that doesn't really matter: spin-off material is covered in this page as well.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 15:58, 26 March 2018 (EDT)


== Misplaced Picture ==
== Misplaced Picture ==
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== Time for a New Image at the Begining ==
== Time for a New Image at the Begining ==
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<span style="color:grey;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">NO QUORUM 3-0-3</span>
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There is nothing wrong with the Mario Party 8 piture at the start, but It's just Mario with his hands up! I think he should be more active in the piture at the start. This will show who Mario really is. He's the guy who bashes blocks, and flies through space! The piture should be more than just him standing. So, it's time to vote for a new one! Here are two I like:
There is nothing wrong with the Mario Party 8 piture at the start, but It's just Mario with his hands up! I think he should be more active in the piture at the start. This will show who Mario really is. He's the guy who bashes blocks, and flies through space! The piture should be more than just him standing. So, it's time to vote for a new one! Here are two I like:
[[User: Cberiault]]
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'''Proposer:''' {{User|Cberiault}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' November 18th, 2009, 23:59 GMT


===Change the Main Image?===
===Change the Main Image?===
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Following what Knife did on [[Talk:Dimentio]], I've decided to poll wether or not to keep certain pieces of trivia.
Following what Knife did on [[Talk:Dimentio]], I've decided to poll wether or not to keep certain pieces of trivia.
===Mario's ''Super Mario Strikers'' jersey number is 1. This might actually be a reference to Mario's status in the series, as only goalkeepers wear number 1 jerseys in actual soccer/football.===
===Mario's ''Super Mario Strikers'' jersey number is 1. This might actually be a reference to Mario's status in the series, as only goalkeepers wear number 1 jerseys in actual soccer/football.===
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">REMOVE 0-5</span>
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===Mario appeared as the best purchasable character in [[Nintendo Monopoly]]. He costs $400, and replaced the Boardwalk.===
===Mario appeared as the best purchasable character in [[Nintendo Monopoly]]. He costs $400, and replaced the Boardwalk.===
<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">KEEP 4-0</span>
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====Keep====
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#Worthy enough to keep. {{User|Reversinator}}
#Worthy enough to keep. {{User|Reversinator}}
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===Mario's full name is referred to as "Mario Mario", as set forth by the ''Super Mario Bros.'' movie.  This appears to apply to all continuities in the series, however, because Mario and Luigi are called the "Mario Bros." The box of the ''Super Mario Bros. Super Show'' DVD "Mario's Movie Madness" describes Mario as '''Mario Skywalker''' when referring to the episode "[[Star Koopa]]"<ref>[http://www.amazon.com/Super-Mario-Bros-Marios-Madness/dp/B000NJMJUM Amazon.com] (Retrieved on 2008-3-07)</ref>. This is enfourced by the Prima Edition of the Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga Guide book, where, in the character section, Mario is reffered to as Mario Mario and Luigi as Luigi Mario.===
===Mario's full name is referred to as "Mario Mario", as set forth by the ''Super Mario Bros.'' movie.  This appears to apply to all continuities in the series, however, because Mario and Luigi are called the "Mario Bros." The box of the ''Super Mario Bros. Super Show'' DVD "Mario's Movie Madness" describes Mario as '''Mario Skywalker''' when referring to the episode "[[Star Koopa]]"<ref>[http://www.amazon.com/Super-Mario-Bros-Marios-Madness/dp/B000NJMJUM Amazon.com] (Retrieved on 2008-3-07)</ref>. This is enfourced by the Prima Edition of the Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga Guide book, where, in the character section, Mario is reffered to as Mario Mario and Luigi as Luigi Mario.===
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">REMOVE 0-2</span>


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===Mario has also appeared in Tomytec's [[Dots]].===
===Mario has also appeared in Tomytec's [[Dots]].===
<span style="color:blue;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">TIE 1-1</span>
{{ProposalOutcome|no quorum|1-1}}
 
====Keep====
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#{{User|Gamefreak75}} Where?
#{{User|Gamefreak75}} Where?
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===A Mario statue made out of wax stands in the [[Wikipedia:Hollywood Wax Museum|Hollywood Wax Museum]]. This is currently the only wax-statue of a video game character.===
===A Mario statue made out of wax stands in the [[Wikipedia:Hollywood Wax Museum|Hollywood Wax Museum]]. This is currently the only wax-statue of a video game character.===
<span style="color:blue;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">TIE 1-2</span>
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#{{user|Tucayo}}- To where?
#{{user|Tucayo}}- To where?
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===In the recent games, Mario's colors are lighter than his colors in 2002 to 2006.===
===In the recent games, Mario's colors are lighter than his colors in 2002 to 2006.===
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">REMOVE 0-5</span>
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===The ''[[Mario Party 3]]'' instruction booklet claims that Mario's favorite item is the [[Golden Mushroom]].===
===The ''[[Mario Party 3]]'' instruction booklet claims that Mario's favorite item is the [[Golden Mushroom]].===
<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">KEEP 3-1</span>
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#It perhaps could be moved to a section above, but I think it's better off as a trivia piece. {{User|Reversinator}}
#It perhaps could be moved to a section above, but I think it's better off as a trivia piece. {{User|Reversinator}}
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===Mario made the first pitch in a Seattle Mariners' 2008 season game, as publicity for ''Mario Super Sluggers''.===
===Mario made the first pitch in a Seattle Mariners' 2008 season game, as publicity for ''Mario Super Sluggers''.===
<span style="color:blue;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">TIE 2-1</span>
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#{{user|Tucayo}}
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===In the [[Subspace Emissary]], if the player chooses to use [[Kirby]] to fight Mario at the [[Midair Stadium]], and then rescues Princess Peach during the Petey Piranha battle, Mario would be the character turned into a trophy the most times, being a total of four.===
===In the [[Subspace Emissary]], if the player chooses to use [[Kirby]] to fight Mario at the [[Midair Stadium]], and then rescues Princess Peach during the Petey Piranha battle, Mario would be the character turned into a trophy the most times, being a total of four.===
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">REMOVE 0-4</span>
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==Re:Trivia==
==Re:Trivia==
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<span style="color:blue;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">NO QUORUM</span>
{{ProposalOutcome|no quorum|1-0 & 1-0}}
 
The above section called [[Talk:Mario#Trivia|Trivia]] has some debate, but everyone voted to remove the one about Mario's colors. I went onto the article and it says that it is not removed. I decided to do that again, only the ones I think that should be taken out of the Trivia and either delete it or put it in a section above. -{{User:KS3/sig}}
The above section called [[Talk:Mario#Trivia|Trivia]] has some debate, but everyone voted to remove the one about Mario's colors. I went onto the article and it says that it is not removed. I decided to do that again, only the ones I think that should be taken out of the Trivia and either delete it or put it in a section above. -{{User:KS3/sig}}


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== New Image Could Work ==
== New Image Could Work ==
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{{ProposalOutcome|passed|9-2-1-0-0-4|use option 1}}
We could use a new image. Here is my poll:
We could use a new image. Here is my poll:
<center><gallery perrow=3>
<center><gallery perrow=3>
File:FortuneStMario.png|''[[Fortune Street]]''
File:FortuneStMario.png|''[[Fortune Street]]''
File:MarioLondon2012.png|''[[Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games]]''
File:M&SATLOG Mario Javelin and Medals artwork.png|''[[Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games]]''
File:SM3Dart.png|''[[Super Mario 3D Land]]''
File:SM3Dart.png|''[[Super Mario 3D Land]]''
File:PM3DSart1.png|''[[Paper Mario (Nintendo 3DS)|Paper Mario 3DS]]''
File:PM3DSart1.png|''[[Paper Mario (Nintendo 3DS)|Paper Mario 3DS]]''
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==Artwork Update==
==Artwork Update==
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<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">CHANGE 5-1</span>
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|5-1|change}}
 
Mario's (and other characters') artwork should always be updated in accordance with the latest released game. So in this case it would be the [[NSMB2]] one. This keeps the article fresh and updated.  
Mario's (and other characters') artwork should always be updated in accordance with the latest released game. So in this case it would be the [[NSMB2]] one. This keeps the article fresh and updated.  


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==Delete "Mario's Various Transformations" section==
==Delete "Mario's Various Transformations" section==
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<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DELETE 8-1</span>
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-1|delete}}
 
I think there's no reason to have a list of power-ups for Mario in this page. Luigi, Princess Peach and the Toads can have some of those forms in some games, so it's not particular of Mario. The [[Power-Up]]s page already explains the powers Mario can obtain, so I think it's unnecessary to have it here.
I think there's no reason to have a list of power-ups for Mario in this page. Luigi, Princess Peach and the Toads can have some of those forms in some games, so it's not particular of Mario. The [[Power-Up]]s page already explains the powers Mario can obtain, so I think it's unnecessary to have it here.


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First of all, EVERYONE survived that "supernova".
First of all, EVERYONE survived that "supernova".
Secondly, it is heavily implied in the game that Mario (along with everyone else) was protected by Rosalina and/or the Lumas.
Secondly, it is heavily implied in the game that Mario (along with everyone else) was protected by Rosalina and/or the Lumas.
{{unsigned|‎76.184.35.168}}
{{unsigned|76.184.35.168}}


== Favorite Food Tidbit ==
== Favorite Food Tidbit ==
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MAMMA MIA! ''Super Mario'' Mario balloon joins the [[wikipedia:Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade]].
MAMMA MIA! ''Super Mario'' Mario balloon joins the [[wikipedia:Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade]].
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{{unsigned|47.17.69.221}}


So what?
So what?
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==Overhaul the "Aliases" and the "Occupations" sections==
==Overhaul the "Aliases" and the "Occupations" sections==
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<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">PASSED 10-0</span>
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As I said, an "alias" denotes a separate identity that the character goes by. The big problem is that the majority of the aliases is simply a bunch of insults (and the occasional compliment). Saying that an insult like "Lasagna Lovin' Loser" or "Wretched Fool" (that's an "alias", ''really''?) is somehow an alias is not giving our wiki any credibility. Just renaming the section to "nicknames and insults" is ridiculous, and they don't illustrate Mario's character other than, well, he has a lot of enemies. Oh, [[Luigi|The Eternal Understudy]] has a [[Luigi#Nicknames|similar problem]]. He must have adopted his nickname of "Plunger Puss". Once the alias/nickname section is removed, just relocate actual aliases (like Butch Mario, Sherlock Mario, Captain Kidder, and Dr. Mario) to the main body of the article or at least have a mention in "alternate outfits" since a lot of actual aliases do come with an outfit change. Heck, something is wrong when "Dr. Mario" is referred to an alias, but only because someone called him that. Isn't it more obvious to say that Dr. Mario is an actual alias? The term "alias" is abused here, and I'm thankful "alias" isn't frequently misused in every day speak.
As I said, an "alias" denotes a separate identity that the character goes by. The big problem is that the majority of the aliases is simply a bunch of insults (and the occasional compliment). Saying that an insult like "Lasagna Lovin' Loser" or "Wretched Fool" (that's an "alias", ''really''?) is somehow an alias is not giving our wiki any credibility. Just renaming the section to "nicknames and insults" is ridiculous, and they don't illustrate Mario's character other than, well, he has a lot of enemies. Oh, [[Luigi|The Eternal Understudy]] has a [[Luigi#Nicknames|similar problem]]. He must have adopted his nickname of "Plunger Puss". Once the alias/nickname section is removed, just relocate actual aliases (like Butch Mario, Sherlock Mario, Captain Kidder, and Dr. Mario) to the main body of the article or at least have a mention in "alternate outfits" since a lot of actual aliases do come with an outfit change. Heck, something is wrong when "Dr. Mario" is referred to an alias, but only because someone called him that. Isn't it more obvious to say that Dr. Mario is an actual alias? The term "alias" is abused here, and I'm thankful "alias" isn't frequently misused in every day speak.


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:So, you claim it's a clickbait. Maybe the title is a bit click-baity, but does that invalidate whatever it's saying? Because the article seemed clear to me: "During Japan’s 30th anniversary Super Mario Bros. event this past weekend, Shigeru Miyamoto apparently stated that Mario’s full name is 'Mario Mario'. As for Luigi, he’s 'Luigi Mario'. It’s sort of like someone named Yamada Yamada having a brother named Itou Yamada." The "apparently" part sounds like a qualifier, admittedly, but the second sentence backs it up. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 11:00, 10 October 2015 (EDT)
:So, you claim it's a clickbait. Maybe the title is a bit click-baity, but does that invalidate whatever it's saying? Because the article seemed clear to me: "During Japan’s 30th anniversary Super Mario Bros. event this past weekend, Shigeru Miyamoto apparently stated that Mario’s full name is 'Mario Mario'. As for Luigi, he’s 'Luigi Mario'. It’s sort of like someone named Yamada Yamada having a brother named Itou Yamada." The "apparently" part sounds like a qualifier, admittedly, but the second sentence backs it up. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 11:00, 10 October 2015 (EDT)
::Sorry, I misinterpreted the article and thought he reaffirmed his statement that Mario and Luigi's names ''weren't'' Mario, contradicting the title of the article and making me think it's clickbait. I was also caught off-guard by the retcon, but since it's true it should stay on the article. [[User:YoshiCookie|YoshiCookie]] ([[User talk:YoshiCookie|talk]]) 17:49, 10 October 2015 (EDT)
::Sorry, I misinterpreted the article and thought he reaffirmed his statement that Mario and Luigi's names ''weren't'' Mario, contradicting the title of the article and making me think it's clickbait. I was also caught off-guard by the retcon, but since it's true it should stay on the article. [[User:YoshiCookie|YoshiCookie]] ([[User talk:YoshiCookie|talk]]) 17:49, 10 October 2015 (EDT)
==Construction==
I doubt the whole article is meant to be under construction, {{tem|construction}} should be moved to whichever section(s) is(are) meant to have it. --{{User:Henry Tucayo Clay/sig}} 16:51, 30 December 2015 (EST)
==More Mario International names==
Mario's Arabic name is ماريو (Mariu), Hebrew name is מריו (Mario)  which are literal translation of his name. [[User:TonnyNaut|TonnyNaut]] ([[User talk:TonnyNaut|talk]]) 6:32 AM, 20 June 2016 (EST)
:Go ahead put it if you want. {{User:Fawful's Minion/sig}} 06:05, 20 June 2016 (EDT)
== Mario's age ==
Can we please update the article to reflect the fact that Mario is approximately 24-25 years old? This has been stated by Miyamoto himself as one of the ONLY canonical facts about Mario.
Source: http://shmuplations.com/mario20th/ --[[Special:Contributions/110.174.109.223|110.174.109.223]] 01:59, 10 November 2016 (EST)
:It's there in the article, in the [[Mario#General_information|general information section]], third paragraph. By the way, [[MarioWiki:Canonicity|there isn't a canon]] in the ''Mario'' series, so we operate on authority of the sources; i.e., all official sources are accepted. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:48, 10 November 2016 (EST)
== how to pronounce Mario ==
I think we should include a section about how his name should be pronounced. Americans seem to go with an ar sound as in car. this is incorrect. Italian people, shigeru Miyamoto and Mario himself pronounce it Mah-rio, like in cat, can, acid. I know this will get some criticism, but a bit of research reveals it to be true.
*edit* Please don't remove my comment. tell me why it's wrong/irrelevant instead of just getting rid of it
:The two pronunciations really aren't that different... at all. And I don't think this comment would get removed. You're asking an acceptable question about the article. It's when you're just talking and not talking about article improvement that comments get deleted.
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 10:30, 6 February 2017 (EST)
it's already been removed once for some reason. I just feel that as an encyclopedia, a pronunciation of words is important (and a possible sound clip if necessary). personally I find the pronunciations quite different as many heated forum discussions will attest. if no one deems it a necessary piece of information than I won't argue
:It's been removed before because I thought it would be something that would belong on the forums. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 10:37, 6 February 2017 (EST)
I don't think how Americans pronounce it is "incorrect". Pronouncing it "Mah-rio" as in "car" or "Mars" is part of people's accents coloring how they actually pronounce it. It's not just Americans that pronounce Mario that way, but the French as well, from my listening to French speakers. Perhaps even Spanish as well, with Mario rhyming with "barrio". I don't know how you arrived at the conclusion that Mario is pronounced like "Mat" or "Maddy-oh" since the way Mario pronounces it sounds just like the "ar" "car" sound to me (and Mario is voiced by an American himself mind you). And the way the Japanese pronounce things, it's Ma (as in Ma Mee Moo May Moh) and sounds like "mama" and not "man". And the way the Chinese pronounce is, sounds similar to me like "Mars" and not like "mat". {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 00:17, 7 February 2017 (EST)
:Funny, I was thinking about this just the other day. Australians are fine, we pronounce it identically to how it is properly spoken in Italians (as we do with "pasta", if you compare "pasta" as spoken between England and Australia, you'll get what I mean).
:{{User:Shokora/sig}} 00:23, 7 February 2017 (EST)
::I don't know the proper "English" way to pronounce it then, since dictionary searches bring up similar results to how the A is pronounced. Pasta: päs-tə. Barrio: bär-ē-ˌō. Car: kär. As for how the BoN says it, the next words. Cat: kat. Can: kən. Acid: a-səd. I tend to hear the ä in Mario's voice rather than "cat" but I just don't hear "Maddyo" in "Mario" even when Mario's screaming his own name. Maybe in some cases, but other cases, no. Maybe I'm accustoming to Mario rhyming with "barrio" but eh. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 00:43, 7 February 2017 (EST)
== Mario is a human, confirmed ==
Please add this reference to the species box which labels Mario as human. [https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/gyp383/nintendo-finally-answers-is-mario-human] [[Special:Contributions/216.165.95.72|216.165.95.72]] 17:45, 23 June 2017 (EDT)
:Mario's been confirmed human for a long time now. I think what the interview was trying to say was that, despite Mario's short stature compared to the other humans, he's still classified as such (I hope that didn't come out wrong...). {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:52, 23 June 2017 (EDT)
::I think what he was referring to was his classification by Nintendo as some point being (jokingly) ''Homo Nintendonus'' as opposed to ''Homo Sapiens''. Anyways, having that first part automatically makes him a human already, so....yeah. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:16, 6 December 2017 (EST)
== Signature ==
The [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNje3jfYLl4 latest trailer] for ''[[Mario Tennis Aces]]'' reveals that Mario has a signature. Should we include it into the article? Are fictional characters even allowed to have signatures in Wiki articles? --[[User:Hero Vladimir|Hero Vladimir]] ([[User talk:Hero Vladimir|talk]]) 02:12, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
:It's nice trivia, but you can't really talk about a signature without the image, and I don't know where the image can go in the article without pushing space. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:22, 28 July 2018 (EDT)
== about Mario's height ==
Mario is not 155cm, and I have two sources to back that up [https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r source 1] and [http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/06/miyamoto_was_worried_how_players_would_react_to_mario_odysseys_new_donk_city source 2] these two sources seem to make it incredibly clear that Mario is actually around 121cm, at least, that's the answer I got when I calculated Mario's height {{unsigned|GoldyFish110}}
:How did you calculate that? {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 01:31, 16 July 2018 (EDT)
:I used a screenshot of Super Mario Odyssey with Mario next to a New Donker in the Lake Kingdom, then I got a picture of T-posed Mario and put it onto the image and resized the T-posed Mario so that it's head was the same as the Mario in the screenshot, then I took a picture of myself, as I am 164.6cm, and used that as a base, the New Donker seems to stand at 196cm while Mario seems to stand at 121cm, though my calculation is probably very inaccurate, but that was the best I could do, I kinda wish Matpat would calculate it instead of take the Mario fans words for Mario's height since I know he's good at that a lot of stuff {{User:GoldyFish110}}