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 == Merge? ==
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 Yeah, it's that time of year again. Considering the recent Morty Mole/Mega Mole merge, as well as the current Big Boo proposal, I think it'd be a good idea to look at the Para-Beetle/Parabuzzy situation again. Considering that:
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 It makes ''no sense'' to keep these split. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 20:50, 20 July 2017 (EDT)
+:Less than a month after the last proposal ended, we started getting more information about ''Super Mario Maker''. There was definitely burnout at the time, but that split is precisely what led to the current state of the "winged Buzzy Beetle" - it's now sporadically floating around both or neither articles on any given editor's fancy. This is such a frustratingly simple fix, but hindsight is 20/20. The behavior argument no longer holds up in addition to everything else that has already been stated for anyone who cares to read through the Talk Pages, but another thing I want to add is that there is an awful lot of credence to the English translation of ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'' when I find it very difficult to believe that whoever made and allowed [http://legendsoflocalization.com/that-one-time-lakitu-started-throwing-pipes/ this] mistake was totally briefed on all the (then-)obscure classic enemies (or really, even within the previous game in the same series, accounting Goomba King to Chestnut King or Spiked Goomba to Spiky/Spiny Goomba and back to Spiked Goomba). It really is just an anomaly that exists in the English language version - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmuQK_-9Opg&t=46s you] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9FkDxeZNPs can] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wykCyoNJ3r8&t=16m26s check] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odT-9YqEwhQ it] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWkQ58b00Vs&t=18m18s all] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvciD22eWHA&t=7m17s out] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQtX3KU6Wfc&t=8m27s for] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqTWBWjdmWg&t=15m50s yourself]. The appearance of legs is the last thing left to stand on (no pun intended), but if that's the distinction we're going to make, why not apply similar standards of real-world biology to others like six-legged Spike Tops or Wigglers, or bipedal and quadrupedal Koopa Troopas, etc? All in all, if you think the case and timing is better, go for it. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:40, 21 July 2017 (EDT)
+:These probably should be merged (or at least reorganized), especially given the inconsistency with Super Mario Maker, in that the pixelated Buzzy Beetles and SMB/SMB3 Spike Tops lose their legs upon gaining wings, like Para-Beetle, while the NSMB ones and SMW Spike Tops keep their legs, like a Parabuzzy. Not to mention, having the same Japanese name. The thing is, though, the behavior between Para-Beetles and the Super Paper Mario Parabuzzies is pretty massive, especially given the weaknesses....although since Mega Mole and Morty Mole have been merged, that's not that different. This wiki still treats Biting Bullet Bill as different from Bullseye Bill and Spiny Fish and different from Spiny Cheep Cheep, so there are a few things needing changed...{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 01:15, 22 July 2017 (CT)
+==Merge Para-Beetle with Parabuzzy==
+{{SettledTPP}}
+{{ProposalOutcome|passed|9-0|merge}}
+So, this again. Para-Beetles are clearly meant to be the same thing as Parabuzzies, considering that they're functionally the same (Buzzy Beetles + wings), and have the same name in ''every'' region except the US. Yeah, Parabuzzies lose their wings when jumped on, but the Paper Mario series changed a ''lot'' of enemies to adapt to RPG-style gameplay (see: headbonking Goombas, Bill Blasters that can be destroyed, Koopas that throw their shells at you, etc.). As for the name change, we already know that TTYD had a pretty shoddy localization (see: Killer Pakkun being treated like a normal Piranha Plant, the Goomba King being called the Chestnut King, and the whole "Sky-Blue Pipe" thing).
+At this point, the only thing keeping them split is Parabuzzies' legs being a "significant biological difference", which doesn't make any sense considering that bipedal Koopas and six-legged Spike Tops aren't treated like a different species by the wiki.
+Additionally, Super Mario Maker's winged Buzzy Beetles act like Para-Beetles and look like Parabuzzies. That's a pretty clear attempt at merging the two designs. But thanks to the Para-Beetle/Parabuzzy split, the wiki's documentation of SMM's variety is ''incredibly'' inconsistent. Considering the Mega Mole/Morty Mole merge and the [[Talk:Big Boo#Re-merge Big Boo (Paper Mario) with Big Boo|imminent Atomic Boo/Big Boo merge]], there's really no reason to treat Parabuzzies as anything other than a slightly different design for Para-Beetles.
+'''Proposer''': {{User|Niiue}}<br>
+'''Deadline''': August 6, 2017, 23:59 GMT
+===Support===
+#{{User|Niiue}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|Baby Luigi}} At this point, Super Mario Maker is pretty much the breaking straw for this debate, as there's now no current strong reason they should be kept currently merged.
+#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Per all. They're even more similar than Mega Mole and Morty Mole, they're a flying thing with an absurdly hard shell, and always have had the same Japanese name.
+#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
+#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Being so similar, I was confused when I wrote some articles for ''[[Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS]]''. This is the main reason of support. Per all.
+#{{User|Wildgoosespeeder}} I find the [[Atomic Boo]] and [[Big Boo]] merge a weak argument to support [[Para-Beetle]] and [[Parabuzzy]] merge, I find the [[Mega Mole]] and [[Morty Mole]] split a stronger argument to keep those names merged instead.
+#{{User|Alex95}} Both pages refer to ''Super Mario Maker'', so, uh, yeah. Support.
+#{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} Per all.
+#{{User|Supermariofan67}} Per all.
+===Oppose===
+===Comments===