| Latest revision |
Your text |
| Line 284: |
Line 284: |
| ::::[[MarioWiki:References#References to other games and references in later games]]. If an intentional connection is clear (e.g. the ones with Bluster), it's a reference; if there's no proof of one, it doesn't get added. That's all; there's no subjectivity. I've removed the ''DK64'' one since there doesn't seem to be proof anywhere of those being "nods". {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 04:32, November 5, 2019 (EST) | | ::::[[MarioWiki:References#References to other games and references in later games]]. If an intentional connection is clear (e.g. the ones with Bluster), it's a reference; if there's no proof of one, it doesn't get added. That's all; there's no subjectivity. I've removed the ''DK64'' one since there doesn't seem to be proof anywhere of those being "nods". {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 04:32, November 5, 2019 (EST) |
| "Same method", especially something as general as standing on a shell, doesn't automatically make it a reference. Please read through MW:References again. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 21:03, March 14, 2020 (EDT) | | "Same method", especially something as general as standing on a shell, doesn't automatically make it a reference. Please read through MW:References again. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 21:03, March 14, 2020 (EDT) |
|
| |
| I don't think you're fully understanding what's considered a direct reference as you've been adding far too many "references" that are merely similarities to something in past games, mostly ones that aren't likely enough to be intentional. For example, in addition to what I said [[Special:Diff/4014784|here]], Fast Dash could have simply been fast speed without specifically referencing Toad, the only similarities Missile Megs share with the diagonal Bullet Bills and ''SMS'' Purple Bullet Bills are the direction of movement and colour/bared teeth respectively, and Yoshi getting knocked back and stunned is just a common knockback animation (and you added the same ''NSMB2'' Tanooki Mario reference for no reason again, even though musical changes have existed since ''SMW'' with Yoshi, a recurring element as I mentioned in the linked summary). All of these are just ordinary traits being twisted into what ''could'' be references just because previous games did them too. Please stop treating everything as a reference and bring them up on the talk page to get opinions on them first before claiming them as such on the article. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 09:03, October 20, 2023 (EDT)
| |
| ::And I don't think you and I seem to have good terms of agreement to one another I've been noticing just because we don't think the same view to one another and see each other as conflictive rivals or something since you always seem to have beef towards me as a "negative annoyance". What other game had Piranha Plants tilting their heads at the player considering their are bits of ''Yoshi's Island'' references? How is Toad's fast speed not intentional but a simple high-jump with a scuttle is a reference to Luigi because we all know him for that when that may as well be a coincidence since it's a simple high-jump? Missle Megs are not just purple (even with an identical hue and shade) and have closed teeth they also have fins like the ''SMS'' purple Bullet Bills on vertical and horizontal sides. I am strongly aware Yoshi (as a big fan of him) is the one that added changes to the music first since ''SMW'' but the difference is that he is more of a mount while ''NSMB2'' is specifically the first time an actual power-up changes the music at all. At this point I'm pretty much convinced you will just see lots of "references" as coincidence from me in particular and even if I discuss this the opinions will be "conflictive arguments" they think "no, this is right, no this isn't, vice versa" from one another that there will be disagreements from what they consider their own view to be correct out of bias. At this point I'm just done and think it's best I leave this site after all that seems to make me look stupid. --[[User:KingGeoshiKoopshi64|KingGeoshiKoopshi64]] ([[User talk:KingGeoshiKoopshi64|talk]]) 11:53, October 20, 2023 (EDT)
| |
|
| |
|
| == RE: Peach Explorer Outfit == | | == RE: Peach Explorer Outfit == |
| Line 480: |
Line 477: |
|
| |
|
| - Mario54671 | | - Mario54671 |
|
| |
| :After some consideration a bit more from reading your reply to me on here, I decided to agree with everything you said now, after all I did let it go with GBA Riverside Park's potential motifs out no problem. Sorry if it sounded like I came to you in a very snarky way the way my tone may seem or sound from my response to you, I've decided to just let it go for the time being, I will admit that I do get a little bit defensive when people conflict with my edits even when I factual give enough good evidence, which happened to me in the past, I will wait until Brian Tyler says something about that "scary" track even though I never expected [[Wario's Battle Canyon]] to be added to the track even if the ''Mario Party'' series is more closer to the mainline games anyway and a bit obscure to go with for a random ''Mario Party'' track like that one, the difference being he confirmed that one. I did listen from a podcast that ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Movie]]'' does not take any liberties from the Mario RPGs which I can understand you more now. --[[User:KingGeoshiKoopshi64|KingGeoshiKoopshi64]] ([[User talk:KingGeoshiKoopshi64|talk]]) 00:28, April 26, 2023 (EDT)
| |
|
| |
| == RE: Shady Koopas vs. Underground Koopas ==
| |
|
| |
| I was going to explain the edit after I was done for the day but didn't have time. If you want someone to understand the point you're trying to get across, I would suggest not writing a giant wall of really hard-to-read text expecting them to have the time to read it all. From what I can tell, it seems like you're just overanalysing and reaching in trying to find a connection between the Shady Koopas and underground Koopas without it being as obvious as the Gloombas and underground Goombas, when the point behind the edit was that the Koopas look similar, when they clearly don't ([[File:SMB NES Blue Koopa Troopa Walking.gif|30px]][[File:Sky Blue Troopa.png|30px]]) in the same way the Goombas do ([[File:SMBBlueGoomba.gif|30px]][[File:PMTTYDGloomba.png|30px]]). Even if it's possible they intended for it to be what a Koopa looks like in shade, it could have been a design separate from underground Koopas since they hardly look similar. If its shell was as dark as the Gloombas and it had darker skin as opposed to paler/desaturated-coloured skin (I disagree it would have blended in with the collar and sunglasses), then I'd agree it'd look similar or even be a reference. The ''SSBU'' Piranha Plant costume similarity is notable because they would have likely based any of the seven alternate costumes on something (as most costumes are), and the underground Piranha Plants would be the closest. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 22:44, May 16, 2023 (EDT)
| |
|
| |
| == RE: MKSC Peach's Castle ==
| |
|
| |
| Your listing of the differences between them is exactly why it doesn't make sense to compare them, when the similarities you're describing are already common traits in its other appearances (with some minor differences because not every design is going to look exactly the same), [[:File:Peach's Castle PM.png|including ''Paper Mario'']] - if anything, it's more based on this design, especially with the central tower, both games being by the same developer and given its appearance on Rainbow Road. Obviously it would be based on the ''SM64'' design in some way (since that was the design's first appearance), so it's not worth noting to say that. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 23:21, May 27, 2023 (EDT)
| |
|
| |
| :Then it should be the icon image being compared, not the background image. Going back to the latter, you're using the ''MKDS'' image as reference and not the [[:File:MKSC Peach Circuit Starting Line.png|original ''Super Circuit'' one]]. There are also differences between it and the ''SM64'' boxart as you've pointed out, more than ''Paper Mario'' in fact (''MKSC'''s windows are closed unlike the boxart, while it has blue flags like ''PM'', and it's hard to tell what the design above the door depicts), so why is the boxart being compared here? I now realise after looking over the castle's appearances it has the trapezium roof (not hexagonal) and tower bases that weren't commonly used at the time, but I still don't think it makes sense saying it's based on the boxart as a whole (again, if anything, "as a whole" it would be more ''Paper Mario''). Either way, the specifics should be covered on the actual castle's article. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 11:32, May 28, 2023 (EDT)
| |
