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:I meant to say Yoshi Topsy-Turvy, which doesn't have Baby Mario. I've edited the proposal to correct the mistake. Whether a game has Baby Mario is an arbitrary thing to base it on. In my opinion, gameplay is far more important then it having Baby Mario, although this does not mean Yoshi Topsy-Turvy should not be a part of the series. {{User:Luigi 64DD/sig}} 15:57, 25 June 2017 (EDT) | :I meant to say Yoshi Topsy-Turvy, which doesn't have Baby Mario. I've edited the proposal to correct the mistake. Whether a game has Baby Mario is an arbitrary thing to base it on. In my opinion, gameplay is far more important then it having Baby Mario, although this does not mean Yoshi Topsy-Turvy should not be a part of the series. {{User:Luigi 64DD/sig}} 15:57, 25 June 2017 (EDT) | ||
::[[Yoshi Topsy-Turvy]] also takes place on Yoshi's Island. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 16:01, 25 June 2017 (EDT) | ::[[Yoshi Topsy-Turvy]] also takes place on Yoshi's Island. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 16:01, 25 June 2017 (EDT) | ||
:::True, but [[Yoshi's New Island]] takes place on [[Egg Island]], not [[Yoshi's Island ( | :::True, but [[Yoshi's New Island]] takes place on [[Egg Island]], not [[Yoshi's Island (place)|Yoshi's Island]]. Now, it does say that Egg Island is next to Yoshi's Island on the article, but even so, I don't think Yoshi's Woolly World should be excluded just because it doesn't have Yoshi's Island itself.{{User:Luigi 64DD/sig}} 16:11, 25 June 2017 (EDT) | ||
::::Good point. I am not going to vote today, but sometime this week I will. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 16:33, 25 June 2017 (EDT) | ::::Good point. I am not going to vote today, but sometime this week I will. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 16:33, 25 June 2017 (EDT) | ||
'''@ Toadette the Achiever''' What proof is there that the Yoshi's Island series is only games with Kamek and the Baby Mario Bros.? Nintendo hasn't said anything to that effect, and the gameplay of Yoshi's Story and Yoshi's Woolly World is nearly identical to the main Yoshi's Island games.<br>{{User:Luigi 64DD/sig}} 21:22, 25 June 2017 (EDT) | '''@ Toadette the Achiever''' What proof is there that the Yoshi's Island series is only games with Kamek and the Baby Mario Bros.? Nintendo hasn't said anything to that effect, and the gameplay of Yoshi's Story and Yoshi's Woolly World is nearly identical to the main Yoshi's Island games.<br>{{User:Luigi 64DD/sig}} 21:22, 25 June 2017 (EDT) | ||
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== Merge into [[Yoshi (platform series)]] == | == Merge into [[Yoshi (platform series)]] == | ||
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Which Yoshi games are mainline? A European trailer for Woolly World gave us the answer: Island 1, Story, Island DS, New Island, Woolly World, and (well, presumably) Crafted World. So, that said, we should have an article that covers them as a series, right? Well, we do...if you can even call it that. But alas, thanks to a certain other article (aka this one), that article is nothing but a ginormous mess. | Which Yoshi games are mainline? A European trailer for Woolly World gave us the answer: Island 1, Story, Island DS, New Island, Woolly World, and (well, presumably) Crafted World. So, that said, we should have an article that covers them as a series, right? Well, we do...if you can even call it that. But alas, thanks to a certain other article (aka this one), that article is nothing but a ginormous mess. | ||
This article's only purpose is to steal away information from our [[Yoshi (platform series)|other article]] about the mainline Yoshi games. Why does it exist? It's not like we have an article about the SMB or NSMB series, which are both subseries of the mainline Mario games. But the reason they don't have articles is so that they don't become an utter mess like the aforementioned mainline Yoshi article. So why do we have this? It's not only completely redundant with [[Yoshi (platform series)]], but that article screams incomplete because it's constantly referring readers to this article to see the other half of the series. | This article's only purpose is to steal away information from our [[Yoshi (platform series)|other article]] about the mainline Yoshi games. Why does it exist? It's not like we have an article about the SMB or NSMB series, which are both subseries of the mainline Mario games. But the reason they don't have articles is so that they don't become an utter mess like the aforementioned mainline Yoshi article. So why do we have this? It's not only completely redundant with [[Yoshi (platform series)]], but that article screams incomplete because it's constantly referring readers to this article to see the other half of the series. | ||
Yoshi's Island is ''not'' an independent series. It is a subseries of the mainline Yoshi games, which also has an article which suffers because of the existence of this one. Other subseries, like New Super Mario Bros., don't have their own articles. Therefore, I propose that we merge this into [[Yoshi (platform series)]] | Yoshi's Island is ''not'' an independent series. It is a subseries of the mainline Yoshi games, which also has an article which suffers because of the existence of this one. Other subseries, like New Super Mario Bros., don't have their own articles. Therefore, I propose that we merge this into [[Yoshi (platform series)]], and change any or most mentions of the Yoshi's Island series to the mainline Yoshi series. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|YoshiFlutterJump}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|YoshiFlutterJump}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': May 10, 2019, 23:59 GMT | '''Deadline''': May 10, 2019, 23:59 GMT | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
#{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Per my proposal. Redundancy is bad and messiness is worse, and the existence of this article creates both. | #{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Per my proposal. Redundancy is bad and messiness is worse, and the existence of this article creates both. | ||
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} In addition, the ''Yoshi''-related [[Spirit (Super Smash Bros. Ultimate)|spirits in ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'']] recently refer to the series of origin as the "Yoshi Series" (I'm aware that there may also be some leeway on what exactly is considered the "Super Mario Series", "Donkey Kong Series" and "Wario Land Series", but perhaps that is our cue to reevaluate them as well). | #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} In addition, the ''Yoshi''-related [[Spirit (Super Smash Bros. Ultimate)|spirits in ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'']] recently refer to the series of origin as the "Yoshi Series" (I'm aware that there may also be some leeway on what exactly is considered the "Super Mario Series", "Donkey Kong Series" and "Wario Land Series", but perhaps that is our cue to reevaluate them as well). | ||
====Oppose==== | ====Oppose==== | ||
#{{User|Mister Wu}} As stated by the ''Super Mario Pia'' (an official book written in collaboration with Nintendo), not only the Yoshi's Island games have ''Yoshi's Island'' in the name, they also all have the baby rescuing mechanics with timer when Yoshi is hit, which is misssing from all the other Yoshi platform games. This time, an official source provided us an actual valid reason beside showing us a simple classification, I think it makes sense to follow that. | #{{User|Mister Wu}} As stated by the ''Super Mario Pia'' (an official book written in collaboration with Nintendo), not only the Yoshi's Island games have ''Yoshi's Island'' in the name, they also all have the baby rescuing mechanics with timer when Yoshi is hit, which is misssing from all the other Yoshi platform games. This time, an official source provided us an actual valid reason beside showing us a simple classification, I think it makes sense to follow that. | ||
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per Mister Wu. | #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per Mister Wu. | ||
====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||