Editing Talk:Wanda

== Ally or Antagonist? ==
Wanda is in the category [[:Category: Wario Allies|Wario Allies]], as she was an ally to the player (actually the playable character) However, she was an enemy to Wario and also is listed as Minor Villain on the template. Where does she belong? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:37, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

Same with the Wario's Woods bosses; they're all listed as Wario Enemies and Wario Bosses, despite being allies of Wario. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

== Wanda in Wario's woods? == 

In what canon material or sprite did it state/ show that, Wanda was indeed the sprite/ fairy that aided Toad, in the events of Wario's woods? -- [[User: Eaglejack|Eaglejack]] 
18 Sept 2008

==Put Wario's Woods info in the Sprixie article or create a new Sprite article==
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Wanda is currently considered the same as the fairy character from ''Wario's Woods'', but a closer look at the [http://www.nintendoage.com/index.cfm?StartRow=3&FuseAction=Element.View&egID=2573&etID=3&eID=2575 instruction] [http://randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com/shr/wwoods/snesmanual-02.JPG booklets] only refers to this character as "the Sprite" (meanwhile, the [http://randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com/shr/wwoods/down.html Japanese manual] uses the generic term for sprite or fairy, <span class="explain" title="ようせい">妖精</span>). There's no sign in the game that this Sprite character is supposed to be the same as Wanda from ''Mario & Wario'', and the sprites in both the NES and SNES releases look nothing like Wanda's original design. Therefore, it seems prudent to take the info from the ''Wario's Woods'' section away from Wanda's article.

The solution would seem clear-cut if it weren't for the existence of other fairy folk later seen in the ''Mario'' series, the Sprixies, which share the [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wiiu/ardj/about/index.html same Japanese name] (and a few other direct foreign localizations) as the Sprite and Wanda's species. Looking at the design itself of these later fairies/sprites/pixies, it's also not too far off from Wanda - having a similar one-button dress and butterfly-esque wings, but with Toad-like eyes sort of like the Sprite from the SNES version of ''Wario's Woods''. Looking at Wanda's [http://www.snescentral.com/0/9/2/0921/preview_np.jpg few] [http://www.mariowiki.com/Bucket#Super_Smash_Bros._Melee_Trophy references] in English media supports that sprite and fairy are inconsistent translations of the same thing, so Sprixie would be a modern attempt at it.

At this point, one would have the ask the question of why Wanda was considered the ''Wario's Woods'' sprite in the first place. According to the article, Wanda also makes an appearance in the ''Wario's Woods'' adaptation in ''Super Mario-Kun'', apparently taking place of the game's Sprite. However, ''Super Mario-Kun'' mixes characters and situations from a variety of games, so I don't think that is strong evidence in favor of Wanda being the same as the Sprite in ''Wario's Woods''. Even then, Wanda is treated as a single character, whereas there can be two Sprites on the screen at the same time in the VS modes.

'''Proposer''': {{User|LinkTheLefty}}<br>
'''Deadline''': May 1, 2015 (23:59 GMT)

===Sprixie is a name change from Fairy/Sprite; Wanda is a Sprixie===
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per above obserations.

===They are all separate concepts; create a separate Sprite article just for Wario's Woods===

===Leave as-is===
#{{User|Burningdragon25}} This stays here and that is that.

===Comments===
Is the Japanese name on its own really a reason for considering Wanda a Sprixie? I mean, it ''is'' the generic word for "fairy", it could be a coincedence. But then again, we have large pages for every appearance of [[Apple|generically]]-[[Milk|named]] [[Moon|objects]]. [[User:Binarystep|Binarystep]] ([[User talk:Binarystep|talk]]) 23:42, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
:@Binarystep - ''Mario & Wario'' itself wasn't released outside Japan, and ''Wario's Woods'' had a few sketchy translation choices (Black Bat from Pidgit?), so I don't think the main localization really had a serious shot at fairies/sprites/pixies in the ''Mario'' series until fairly recently. That said, I'd understand if calling Wanda and the Sprite from ''Wario's Woods'' a Sprixie is much too modern, which is why I left the second option open and encourage it if you still conclude that, looking at the original manuals, Wanda is not the same as the Sprite in ''Wario's Woods'' anyway.
:@Burningdragon25 - Given the above, can you care to elaborate besides "that is that" (besides ''Super Mario-Kun'')? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:23, 18 April 2015 (EDT)
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 ==Put Wario's Woods info in the Sprixie article or create a new Sprite article==
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 Wanda is currently considered the same as the fairy character from ''Wario's Woods'', but a closer look at the [http://www.nintendoage.com/index.cfm?StartRow=3&FuseAction=Element.View&egID=2573&etID=3&eID=2575 instruction] [http://randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com/shr/wwoods/snesmanual-02.JPG booklets] only refers to this character as "the Sprite" (meanwhile, the [http://randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com/shr/wwoods/down.html Japanese manual] uses the generic term for sprite or fairy, <span class="explain" title="ようせい">妖精</span>). There's no sign in the game that this Sprite character is supposed to be the same as Wanda from ''Mario & Wario'', and the sprites in both the NES and SNES releases look nothing like Wanda's original design. Therefore, it seems prudent to take the info from the ''Wario's Woods'' section away from Wanda's article.
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 ===Sprixie is a name change from Fairy/Sprite; Wanda is a Sprixie===
 #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per above obserations.
-#{{User|1337star}} Several translations, including the original Japanese, simply call Sprixies "fairies" (in whatever that language's equivalent is, that is). Even the translations are rather close (Sprixie, for instance, is merely '''spr'''ite + p'''ixie'''). I would say the developer's intent is clearly that the "Sprixies" are simply generic fairies. I suppose for consistency with "[[Pidgit#Wario's Woods|Black Bat]]", the Sprixie article should cover the ''Wario's Woods'' Sprite(s), as discussed below.
 ===They are all separate concepts; create a separate Sprite article just for Wario's Woods===
-#{{User|Bwburke94}} Doesn't seem to be the same character, in the same way that not every unnamed solo Magikoopa is Kamek.
-#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Sprixies weren't around during these games, so unless they decided to bring back a super obscure species 20 years later, it's not the same.
-#{{User|LudwigVon}} Per all.
-#{{User|Binarystep}} While it wouldn't surprise me if they brought back something old and obscure, I'd prefer more proof of Wanda being a Sprixie than the Japanese name being the same in this case; as it's the generic word for fairy, it could be a coincedence. If more proof is found of Wanda being a Sprixie, I'll change my vote.
-#{{User|Andymii}} Until it is confirmed that Wanda is a Sprixie (which I highly doubt), we can't make assumptions.
-#{{User|Boo4761}} Pretty much what SuperYoshiBros was saying.
-#{{User|Stonehill}} You need way more proof than that.
 ===Leave as-is===
+#{{User|Burningdragon25}} This stays here and that is that.
 ===Comments===
 Is the Japanese name on its own really a reason for considering Wanda a Sprixie? I mean, it ''is'' the generic word for "fairy", it could be a coincedence. But then again, we have large pages for every appearance of [[Apple|generically]]-[[Milk|named]] [[Moon|objects]]. [[User:Binarystep|Binarystep]] ([[User talk:Binarystep|talk]]) 23:42, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 :@Binarystep - ''Mario & Wario'' itself wasn't released outside Japan, and ''Wario's Woods'' had a few sketchy translation choices (Black Bat from Pidgit?), so I don't think the main localization really had a serious shot at fairies/sprites/pixies in the ''Mario'' series until fairly recently. That said, I'd understand if calling Wanda and the Sprite from ''Wario's Woods'' a Sprixie is much too modern, which is why I left the second option open and encourage it if you still conclude that, looking at the original manuals, Wanda is not the same as the Sprite in ''Wario's Woods'' anyway.
-:@Burningdragon25 - Given the above, can you care to elaborate why "that is that" (besides ''Super Mario-Kun'')? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:23, 18 April 2015 (EDT)
+:@Burningdragon25 - Given the above, can you care to elaborate besides "that is that" (besides ''Super Mario-Kun'')? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:23, 18 April 2015 (EDT)
-::@Burningdragon25: You really need to elaborate more on that. Simply because you "like it where it is" is not a strong reason. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
-How I want to vote doesn't seem to be an option, so I'll comment instead. Based on the evidence you give, I believe "Sprixie" is a modern translation of ''yōsei'' (''妖精''), a Japanese word similar to, but not identical to, the English ''fairy''. However, based on the manual scans you've posted, "the Sprite" seems to be a separate character (and thus worthy of an article), but ''also'' a member of the yōsei/fairy/sprite/Sprixie/whatever species (i.e. a mix of option 1 and 2). Wanda may also be a member of this species, depending on what the Japanese sources call her (You don't seem to have provided any evidence of this, only English translations). -- [[User:1337star|1337star]] <sup>([[User talk:1337star|Mailbox SP]])</sup> 16:22, 27 April 2015 (EDT)
-:The Sprite is really as much a character as the "Black Bat" (or Pidgit) in ''Wario's Woods'', so to elaborate on what I intended for the first option, the P1 & P2 Sprites would've ideally been included as generic Sprixies in that same article just like its counterpart. (To clarify, I actually have supplied evidence of the name of Wanda's species in her game appearance, although I neglected to mention it here - I added a [[:File:WarioToMonogatari.png|storyline scan]] from my ''Mario & Wario'' manual since I couldn't find a good, direct transcription of it as a source online.) [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:25, 29 April 2015 (EDT)
-::I understand now, thank you. I'm a firm believer that, since the Mario series is Japanese, the Japanese names should be the sole deciding factor in whether characters/species are the same or not, [[King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)|regardless of how awkward or against common sense that may sometimes be]], and therefore Sprixies are, in my opinion, undeniably just generic fairies/sprites/whatever with a fancy translated name. I'm aware that not everyone agrees, however. -- [[User:1337star|1337star]] <sup>([[User talk:1337star|Mailbox SP]])</sup> 16:31, 30 April 2015 (EDT)