Editing Talk:Shitamachi Ninjō Gekijō

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The article cites no sources whatsoever. Why would someone believe what's written in it? -- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 18:51, 11 January 2018 (EST)
:Because it's "administrator-approved," apparently. Though I didn't think there'd be anything worse than that manga page with Captain Syrup, but I guess I was wrong... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:54, 11 January 2018 (EST)
::It's traced from [https://twitter.com/forestillusion/status/936375650675343360 this tweet] but that's it. -- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 19:09, 11 January 2018 (EST)
:::So basically there's absolutely nothing confirming this to be a Nintendo product from the screenshots (I don't see a copyright), and seemingly no known cartridges to check for a copyright, so it could be a bootleg, of which plenty exist, or completely made up. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:15, 11 January 2018 (EST)
::::I don't have the confirmation myself, but the user who made the article has confirmed that it's official. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 21:16, 11 January 2018 (EST)
:::::That's not good enough. I don't trust shady orange shopkeepers, myself. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:17, 11 January 2018 (EST)
::::::It is official. The rom is being passed around a small Japanese circle. So the ROM is lost. It makes no sense for a bootleg to be on the satellaview. It's impossible. Somebody would've had to hijack the station in order to send this out to players. I've spoken with other people who are very big on satellaview games and preservation. They have confirmed it to be real. Next time do your research and read everything properly before you make accusations that it's fake. [[User:Howzit]] 21:24, 11 January 2018 (EST)
:::::::Except there's nothing proving it's an actual Sallataview game. It seems so wildly out-of-touch with the other things on the system it honestly seems more like a hoax, what with the toys that can easily be found in a flea market and crude idea and menu graphics. I have been provided nothing that indicates this is anything more than a hoax, just a disgruntled person insulting me (again). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:39, 11 January 2018 (EST)
::::::::Have you got proof that it's fake? You clearly don't know what you're talking about if you're calling it "sallataview" lol. Stay away from my page. [[User:Howzit]] 21:41, 11 January 2018 (EST)
:::::::::The burden of proof goes on the person who makes the initial claim in literally any court. Any you made the initial claim that it' real. You haven't provided any definitive proof. Also, I never said it had to be Sallataview. It could just be some random MS Paint'd-together images as "screenshots," which is the ''obvious'' way it could be faked, or a bootleg Super Famicon game with a few images on it. Also, you're belligerent. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:45, 11 January 2018 (EST)
::::::::::Just shut up. You're always trying to get on my nerves. I was trying to do a favour for the wiki and this is how you treat me. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. If you don't like the page, stop looking at it. It doesn't involve you. You're just trying to provoke me as always. I've just about had it with your BS. It's not fake is multiple Japanese collectors know about it. It's not a bootleg. How about you just listen for once in your life and just accept the fact that this is real. You're clearly just jealous since you weren't the first to find it. I've even talked with multiple admins about creating this page and they gave me the green light to do so. [[User:Howzit]] 21:48, 11 January 2018 (EST)
:::::::::::Wow, such an epitome of maturity. Anyways, the point still stands that this article sites ''nothing''. If you want meor anyone else, like the person who brought this up, to have any reason to believe you, cite ''something'' at least. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:49, 11 January 2018 (EST)

Before this escalates any further, I'm saying that Howzit hasn't given a reason to doubt him before. If this turns out to be a hoax, then it's one he doesn't know about himself. And a bootleg of a Satellaview game is impossible given the add-on's requirements. Given the nature of this "game", it is impossible to verify, so time will tell if this is something to worry about. Enough with the arguing back and forth, both of you, or you'll both receive consequences, as these confrontations of yours have gone on far enough. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 21:49, 11 January 2018 (EST)
:Like I said, I didn't say bootleg Sallataview. I said bootleg Super Famicom. Also sorry, I consider "acting ridiculously confrontational and smug" as a reason not to trust someone. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:51, 11 January 2018 (EST)

::This obviously isn't a Super Famicom game if Satellaview preservationists and collectors know of it's existence. [[User:Howzit]] 21:53, 11 January 2018 (EST)
:::Then please, cite one of them. I really want you too, as this is interesting. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:54, 11 January 2018 (EST)
::::As I have said multiple times, I CANNOT give definitive proof as the rom is being passed around in a small group of Japanese collectors. They don't want to release the ROM. Magazine releases on the Satellaview were VERY common and many others were made. Search up Satellaview magazine and you will know what I'm talking about. [[User:Howzit]] 21:56, 11 January 2018 (EST)

fyi, the "admin approval" was in regard ot hosting a page with sexual and decidely kid-unfriendly content and not about verifying the "authencity" of the subject matter. 

for what it's worth, some googling shows [http://z9.invisionfree.com/bszelda/index.php?s=c30249c27b2f52e439d5636b6bc4a9a2&amp;showtopic=1294&view=findpost&p=22001048 a 1995 Famitsu issue mentions the thing by name and describes it as being about Mario]. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 21:58, 11 January 2018 (EST)

Edit conflicted post: Just to clarify, the "admin approved" is about the content of this game, not the source it comes from. Howzit works with a group of people that works on preserving historical game content. I seriously doubt any one of them would claim this as official knowing it's a hoax considering the other material Howzit has worked on. Looked up Satellaview Magazine. [http://satellaview.wikia.com/wiki/Downloadable_Magazines_and_Booklets There are a number of them according to this wiki]. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:00, 11 January 2018 (EST)

::You can see the owners of the rom here: http://blog.goo.ne.jp/randnetdd/e/cfc410127b996047cde65043d6e74237 However, they have no intention of releasing it. [[User:Howzit]] 21:56, 11 January 2018 (EST)
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 The article cites no sources whatsoever. Why would someone believe what's written in it? -- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 18:51, 11 January 2018 (EST)
 :Because it's "administrator-approved," apparently. Though I didn't think there'd be anything worse than that manga page with Captain Syrup, but I guess I was wrong... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:54, 11 January 2018 (EST)
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 :::Then please, cite one of them. I really want you too, as this is interesting. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:54, 11 January 2018 (EST)
 ::::As I have said multiple times, I CANNOT give definitive proof as the rom is being passed around in a small group of Japanese collectors. They don't want to release the ROM. Magazine releases on the Satellaview were VERY common and many others were made. Search up Satellaview magazine and you will know what I'm talking about. [[User:Howzit]] 21:56, 11 January 2018 (EST)
-:::::'''sigh''' Do any of them have a website or something? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:03, 11 January 2018 (EST)
-::::::Also, you seem to be misinterpreting my goal here. My goal is to get something to cite this with, not have this page deleted or you discredited. Anything will do. Magazine scans, statement from the current owners, those will all work. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:22, 11 January 2018 (EST)
 fyi, the "admin approval" was in regard ot hosting a page with sexual and decidely kid-unfriendly content and not about verifying the "authencity" of the subject matter.
 for what it's worth, some googling shows [http://z9.invisionfree.com/bszelda/index.php?s=c30249c27b2f52e439d5636b6bc4a9a2&amp;showtopic=1294&view=findpost&p=22001048 a 1995 Famitsu issue mentions the thing by name and describes it as being about Mario]. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 21:58, 11 January 2018 (EST)
-:Hmm....any site with that info that my computer won't warn me is "not secure," allowing us to use it as a source? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:20, 11 January 2018 (EST)
 Edit conflicted post: Just to clarify, the "admin approved" is about the content of this game, not the source it comes from. Howzit works with a group of people that works on preserving historical game content. I seriously doubt any one of them would claim this as official knowing it's a hoax considering the other material Howzit has worked on. Looked up Satellaview Magazine. [http://satellaview.wikia.com/wiki/Downloadable_Magazines_and_Booklets There are a number of them according to this wiki]. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:00, 11 January 2018 (EST)
-::You can see the owners of the rom here: http://blog.goo.ne.jp/randnetdd/e/cfc410127b996047cde65043d6e74237 However, they have no intention of releasing it. [[User:Howzit]] 22:03, 11 January 2018 (EST)
+::You can see the owners of the rom here: http://blog.goo.ne.jp/randnetdd/e/cfc410127b996047cde65043d6e74237 However, they have no intention of releasing it. [[User:Howzit]] 21:56, 11 January 2018 (EST)
-:::Would this work as a source? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:22, 11 January 2018 (EST)
-::::Why yes, yes it would. Now if someone could add that instead of pettily bullying me and accusing me of ridiculous things, this could all go smoothly, and I'll forget this page even exists. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:25, 11 January 2018 (EST)
-:::::Try to keep things civil. Niceness goes a long way. I'll add that link somewhere, but please, both of you, try to stop arguing. That's not going to go well for anyone. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:31, 11 January 2018 (EST)
-::::::Still, I find it odd and somewhat amusing to be accused of being "jealous" for not finding a plushie porn parody......I'm not the only one who sees how ridiculous that sentence is, right? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:38, 11 January 2018 (EST)
-:::::::It's not outright porn. It's simply a magazine which contained a joke. [[User:Howzit]] 22:40, 11 January 2018 (EST)
-::::::::Well, given they're plushies.....XD I only said that specifically for the alliteration, it's more the parodic nature that counts. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:41, 11 January 2018 (EST)
-I'm really sorry I caused this conflict. Doc, I know it's in your character to be a little raspy, but do be more gentle when it comes to such an unserious affair. Howzit, Doc's criticism was still valid no matter how it was addressed, so please deal with constructive criticism. You did a good job by bringing this thing on the wiki, and it's really unfortunate that the ones who own the ROM don't wish to release it. Like, what's the big deal? It's not Super Hornio Brothers. Eh, well, I wanted to say this before I leave. -- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 05:18, 12 January 2018 (EST)
-:To anyone who cares, magazine scans showing the game was found and can be viewed [https://twitter.com/forestillusion/status/977182574333145094 here]. [[User:Howzit]] 17:24, 23 March 2018 (EST)
-::Cool. Add that as another ref, if you want. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:34, 23 March 2018 (EDT)
-== It's time we ask the real questions... ==
-...what plushies were used for this series? This was long before Sanei was the de-facto standard Mario plush producer, but I can't seem to figure out where these all came from. Maybe UFO catcher sets? Additional research is absolutely required. '''''[[User:Camwood777|<font color="red">~Camwood777</font>]]''' [[User talk:Camwood777|<font color="red">(talk)</font>]]'' 08:12, March 18, 2019 (EDT)
-:To me, that looks BD&A Mario plushies. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 21:55, June 11, 2021 (EDT)
-Moreover, apparently in this comic, ''Bill Gates'' is actually a character called Bakabon. According to a commenter in the comment section of the video linked at the bottom of the page. Is this true? If so, we shouldn't call him Bill Gates if he's a completely different character and his jpg files also call him Bill Gates. [[User:Lord Falafel|Lord Falafel]] ([[User talk:Lord Falafel|talk]]) 10:07, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
-:Looks like it, but it's already mentioned in the 'Bill Gates' article that the character is represented by a plush of Bakabon, though it was probably supposed to be him given the way the skit ends. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:56, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
-==Limit the people who see this==
-Can we try doing something where we limit the people who see this? There could be kids looking around the Mario wiki and may see this. Is there some sort of extension able to do this? - {{user|RabbidYoshi2}}
-:No. We are an encyclopedia and we don't self-censor ourselves. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 17:01, June 27, 2021 (EDT)
-==Needs a better source==
-If this is real (which I doubt) there should be some sort of source beyond a blogpost which could easily have been faked. --[[Special:Contributions/82.112.152.31|82.112.152.31]] 09:31, March 30, 2022 (EDT)
-I cannot find it, as all of the links are dead, but there was a tweet containing magazine scans confirming it's real that was referenced in an earlier discussion and everyone there seems to accept it as real. --[[Special:Contributions/69.92.7.220|69.92.7.220]] 18:11, December 18, 2022 (EST)