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We seem to be particularly selective about a mishmash of sources regarding Pom Pom as a single entity, possibly as part of the justification for the Boom Boom article split. While only one Pom Pom is onscreen the vast majority of the time (like Boom Boom especially was in ''Super Mario 3D Land'' and ''Super Mario 3D World''), Nintendo of Europe treats them both in the plural sense rather than the singular sense like Nintendo of America, and my overall impression of the divergent localization is that Nintendo of Europe had more direct translations at the time compared to Nintendo of America; for example, referring to the Koopalings as "Bowser's minions" when Japanese sources were calling them ''Kuppa no Teshita'', and the European version of ''Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon'' for Nintendo DS taking less liberties with names like Shiida (Caeda) and Akaneia (Archanea), etc. We do have a specific description from a Japanese website that apparently translates to "''The Koopa army's lone female.''" However, in ''Super Mario Maker 2'', there is an official course in Story Mode called "Target: A Single Pom Pom" with a [[Target: A Single Pom Pom#Description|description]] implying more than one Pom Pom (and the Japanese version is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWcCg07Zh4s similar]), so now I'm wondering if the line in question was supposed to be read as "''The Koopa army's lone female'''s'''.''" (referring to Pom Poms in general). Mind, ''Super Mario Maker 2'' did not have to suggest this at all - after all, they could have just referred to it as "Pom Pom" since only one showed up in the level and there wouldn't be any problem - but the fact that both the English and Japanese versions have an in-game reference to '''a''' Pom Pom means that we must readdress this issue carefully. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:10, July 8, 2019 (EDT)
We seem to be particularly selective about a mishmash of sources regarding Pom Pom as a single entity, possibly as part of the justification for the Boom Boom article split. While only one Pom Pom is onscreen the vast majority of the time (like Boom Boom especially was in ''Super Mario 3D Land'' and ''Super Mario 3D World''), Nintendo of Europe treats them both in the plural sense rather than the singular sense like Nintendo of America, and my overall impression of the divergent localization is that Nintendo of Europe had more direct translations at the time compared to Nintendo of America; for example, referring to the Koopalings as "Bowser's minions" when Japanese sources were calling them ''Kuppa no Teshita'', and the European version of ''Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon'' for Nintendo DS taking less liberties with names like Shiida (Caeda) and Akaneia (Archanea), etc. We do have a specific description from a Japanese website that apparently translates to "''The Koopa army's lone female.''" However, in ''Super Mario Maker 2'', there is an official course in Story Mode called "Target: A Single Pom Pom" with a [[Target: A Single Pom Pom#Description|description]] implying more than one Pom Pom (and the Japanese version is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWcCg07Zh4s similar]), so now I'm wondering if the line in question was supposed to be read as "''The Koopa army's lone female'''s'''.''" (referring to Pom Poms in general). Mind, ''Super Mario Maker 2'' did not have to suggest this at all - after all, they could have just referred to it as "Pom Pom" since only one showed up in the level and there wouldn't be any problem - but the fact that both the English and Japanese versions have an in-game reference to '''a''' Pom Pom means that we must readdress this issue carefully. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:10, July 8, 2019 (EDT)
:Given this is a game where we can have 3 Bowsers at once I wouldn't put too much stock in it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:34, July 8, 2019 (EDT)
:Given this is a game where we can have 3 Bowsers at once I wouldn't put too much stock in it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:34, July 8, 2019 (EDT)
::As far as I can tell, Story Mode doesn't refer to the player's ability to place multiple Bowsers in custom courses ([[Super Mario Bros. W1-1?#Description|seen here]]), and the main issue with the current implementation is that we're amalgamating old regional wording rather than utilizing one official interpretation (as in, we're currently saying that it's ''both'' a character ''and'' a species, except they ''really'' meant that Pom Pom is part of the ''Boom Boom species'' - which, in the presence of this new info, seems unlikely). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:40, July 8, 2019 (EDT)
::As far as I can tell, Story Mode doesn't refer to the player's ability to place multiple Bowsers in custom courses ([[Super Mario Bros. W1-1?#Description|seen here]]), and the main issue with the current implementation is that we're amalgamating old regional wording rather than utilizing one official interpretation (as in, we're currently saying that it's ''both'' a character ''and'' a species, except they ''really'' meant that Pom Pom is part of the ''Boom Boom species'' - which, in the presence of this new info, seems unlikely). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:40, July 8, 2019 (EDT)
::I'll also add that, while Boom Boom and Pom Pom recently appear as assistants in ''Dr. Mario World'', '''all''' of the other assistants are regular enemy species, so they're clearly being grouped as such. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:24, July 11, 2019 (EDT)
::I'll also add that, while Boom Boom and Pom Pom recently appear as assistants in ''Dr. Mario World'', '''all''' of the other assistants are regular enemy species, so they're clearly being grouped as such. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:24, July 11, 2019 (EDT)

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