Editing Talk:List of weapons in Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle

== Where to get the stats ==

I'll continue to do the pictures of the weapons, but for everyone else doing work on this article, here's a video that shows off all the weapons and their stats. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2QxEPoRSKU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2QxEPoRSKU] --{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 14:33, 14 September 2017 (EDT)

== Trivia section ==

{{TPP}}
That trivia section is long. It also doesn't even seem to be trivia, as it's information that's about the weapons themselves (and some are rather pointless. "The Luigi's Longshot weapon is based on the design of Luigi, the character that can use said weapon." ???). I'm told there was talk (on Discord) about integrating the information into the tables themselves, but how would that work? Using the Matter Splatter weapon as the example, here's some suggestions (using "Reference" as the stand-in word, but that can be changed to something else if needed):

;Option 1 (Stick reference on the end)
{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center; margin: auto"
!colspan="11"|'''Mario's Blasters'''
|-
!rowspan="2"|Blaster
!rowspan="2"|Description
!rowspan="2"|Price
!rowspan="2"|Hit Damage
!colspan="3"|Super Effect
!rowspan="2"|Range
!rowspan="2"|Cover Damage
!rowspan="2"|Reference
|-
!Enemy-specific Bonus
!Damage
!Chance
|-
![[File:MRKB Matter Splatter.png|80px]]<br>Matter Splatter
|''Dispatch your foes with the hot-blooded brilliance and passion of an abstract expressionist.''
|700
|55-65
|
|85 (Honey)
|30%
|10 Cells (Medium)
|LOW
|This weapon shares the same name as [[Matter Splatter Galaxy|a galaxy]] from ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]''.
|}

Just tag the information on the end. Probably my preferred choice. It will make the already lengthy table lengthier, but that's fine by me.

;Option 2 (Place reference on bottom of section)
{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center; margin: auto"
!colspan="9"|'''Mario's Blasters'''
|-
!rowspan="2"|Blaster
!rowspan="2"|Description
!rowspan="2"|Price
!rowspan="2"|Hit Damage
!colspan="3"|Super Effect
!rowspan="2"|Range
!rowspan="2"|Cover Damage
|-
!Enemy-specific Bonus
!Damage
!Chance
|-
![[File:MRKB Matter Splatter.png|80px]]<br>Matter Splatter
|''Dispatch your foes with the hot-blooded brilliance and passion of an abstract expressionist.''
|700
|55-65
|
|85 (Honey)
|30%
|10 Cells (Medium)
|LOW
|-
|colspan="9"|'''Reference:''' This weapon shares the same name as [[Matter Splatter Galaxy|a galaxy]] from ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]''.
|}

Place the information on the bottom, between the different weapons. Will look clunky, so not preferred, but still better than what we have already.

;Option 3 (Place with in game information)
{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center; margin: auto"
!colspan="9"|'''Mario's Blasters'''
|-
!rowspan="2"|Blaster
!rowspan="2"|Description
!rowspan="2"|Price
!rowspan="2"|Hit Damage
!colspan="3"|Super Effect
!rowspan="2"|Range
!rowspan="2"|Cover Damage
|-
!Enemy-specific Bonus
!Damage
!Chance
|-
![[File:MRKB Matter Splatter.png|80px]]<br>Matter Splatter
|''Dispatch your foes with the hot-blooded brilliance and passion of an abstract expressionist.''

'''Reference:''' This weapon shares the same name as [[Matter Splatter Galaxy|a galaxy]] from ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]''.
|700
|55-65
|
|85 (Honey)
|30%
|10 Cells (Medium)
|LOW
|}

Place the bit below the in game information. Looks odd, but saves room.

;Option 4 (Eldritchdraaks's idea)
See comment from Eldritchdraaks.

;Option 5 (Mister Wu's Idea)
See comment from Mister Wu.

;Option 6 (Do nothing)
There's nothing terribly ''wrong'' with the current list, it's just ''long'' and scattered.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Alex95}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' <del>November 22nd, 2017, 23:59 GMT</del> Extended to November 29, 2017, 23:59 GMT

===Option 1===
#{{User|Alex95}} - Preferred choice.
#{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} Per proposal.
#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} I think this option is probably the best, it prevents confusion with any in game descriptions, and although there will be empty sections, there already are some so it wouldn't make much difference.

===Option 2===
#{{User|Chat Man}} I doubt this will win but, Per Proposal

===Option 3===
#{{User|Alex95}} - Second choice.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} I think that's the cleanest choice, because I don't think all weapons have a reference. Too many entries would suffer from inconsistent or empty sections with all of the rest. Option one is also a very miserable choice for narrower screen-computers: we want to avoid side scrolling as much as possible.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Eldritchdraaks}} Per proposal
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all.
#{{User|Chat Man}} Per Baby Luigi
#{{User|LuigiMaster123}} This seems like the easiest and most logical choice. Per all.

===Option 4===
#{{User|Eldritchdraaks}} - per comment

===Option 5===
#{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} Mister Wu's idea looks promising.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal.
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} - Per all. This keeps the description and notes separate and also allows notes other than references to be added.
#{{User|Alex95}} - I'll root for this one, too.
#{{User|Chat Man}} Per all

===Option 6===

===Comments===
The list could remain long as it is, but we could use the ref tag to link them to the bottom of the page for easier sorting.
{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center; margin: auto"
!colspan="9"|'''Mario's Blasters'''
|-
!rowspan="2"|Blaster
!rowspan="2"|Description
!rowspan="2"|Price
!rowspan="2"|Hit Damage
!colspan="3"|Super Effect
!rowspan="2"|Range
!rowspan="2"|Cover Damage
|-
!Enemy-specific Bonus
!Damage
!Chance
|-
![[File:MRKB Matter Splatter.png|80px]]<br>Matter Splatter<ref>This weapon shares the same name as [[Matter Splatter Galaxy|a galaxy]] from ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]''.</ref>
|''Dispatch your foes with the hot-blooded brilliance and passion of an abstract expressionist.''
|700
|55-65
|
|85 (Honey)
|30%
|10 Cells (Medium)
|LOW
|}
--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 20:10, 8 November 2017 (EST)
<references />

@Baby Luigi: For the resolution thing, the table will remain the same size anyway. I have a pretty small monitor, and it's fitting. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 20:03, 8 November 2017 (EST)

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{{unsigned|Astro-Lanceur}}
:I'm assuming that's what you want to happen? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 20:10, 8 November 2017 (EST)

What do you think about this? (Edited version, it had ''reference'' before in place of ''notes'')
{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center; margin: auto"
!colspan="9"|'''Mario's Blasters'''
|-
!rowspan="2"|Blaster
!rowspan="2"|Description and notes (if applicable)
!rowspan="2"|Price
!rowspan="2"|Hit Damage
!colspan="3"|Super Effect
!rowspan="2"|Range
!rowspan="2"|Cover Damage
|-
!Enemy-specific Bonus
!Damage
!Chance
|-
!rowspan=2|[[File:MRKB Matter Splatter.png|80px]]<br>Matter Splatter
|''Dispatch your foes with the hot-blooded brilliance and passion of an abstract expressionist.''
|rowspan=2|700
|rowspan=2|55-65
|rowspan=2|
|rowspan=2|85 (Honey)
|rowspan=2|30%
|rowspan=2|10 Cells (Medium)
|rowspan=2|LOW
|-
|This weapon shares the same name as [[Matter Splatter Galaxy|a galaxy]] from ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]''.
|}

This way we could have a cleaner separation between description and reference while using just a single row when only the description is needed.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 08:03, 9 November 2017 (EST)

I think the word we're looking for is ''Notes'', not ''Reference''.<br>
{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 09:39, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:We can also put ''notes'', in the example given it was ''references'', but probably ''notes'' is more appropriate indeed.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 09:44, 9 November 2017 (EST)

::Notes would work better. Splitting option 4 to accommodate the two suggestions (and moving votes accordingly), and I'll cap it here. Don't want there to be too many requests for how this should be done :P {{User:Alex95/sig}} 10:53, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:::I updated the table with ''notes'' in place of ''references'', in case please tell me if there are other correction on the text to be made.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 11:05, 9 November 2017 (EST)

I still really hate the extra cell for references/notes in Mister Wu's option. It's going to have mighty, gaping inconsistencies with the rest of the list in this article, and I think it's harder to navigate and find information you want that way. I still think Option 3 and Option 4 are the best routes to take, as they don't really mess around with the overall presentation by having an inconsistent number of cells per row. I also don't like how the cell below the description has no point of any kind, potentially confusing readers. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 04:38, 17 November 2017 (EST)
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 That trivia section is long. It also doesn't even seem to be trivia, as it's information that's about the weapons themselves (and some are rather pointless. "The Luigi's Longshot weapon is based on the design of Luigi, the character that can use said weapon." ???). I'm told there was talk (on Discord) about integrating the information into the tables themselves, but how would that work? Using the Matter Splatter weapon as the example, here's some suggestions (using "Reference" as the stand-in word, but that can be changed to something else if needed):
@@ Line 112: / Line 111: @@
 '''Proposer:''' {{User|Alex95}}<br>
-'''Deadline:''' November 22nd, 2017, 23:59 GMT
+'''Deadline:''' <del>November 22nd, 2017, 23:59 GMT</del> Extended to November 29, 2017, 23:59 GMT
 ===Option 1===
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 --{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 20:10, 8 November 2017 (EST)
-<references/>
+<references />
 @Baby Luigi: For the resolution thing, the table will remain the same size anyway. I have a pretty small monitor, and it's fitting. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 20:03, 8 November 2017 (EST)
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 I still really hate the extra cell for references/notes in Mister Wu's option. It's going to have mighty, gaping inconsistencies with the rest of the list in this article, and I think it's harder to navigate and find information you want that way. I still think Option 3 and Option 4 are the best routes to take, as they don't really mess around with the overall presentation by having an inconsistent number of cells per row. I also don't like how the cell below the description has no point of any kind, potentially confusing readers. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 04:38, 17 November 2017 (EST)
-== Immunnities ==
-Rabbid Kong and Icicle golem are immune to all super effects, so could someone change the table on super effects? (Idk how) [[User:PinkYoshiFan|PinkYoshiFan]] ([[User talk:PinkYoshiFan|talk]]) 09:49, 25 December 2017 (EST)
-== Two Weapons Missing ==
-I noticed that two weapons are missing, both of which are rockets belonging to Rabbid Luigi: Agro Torpedo V2 and Big Spike V2. Agro Torpedo V2 does vamp damage and Big Spike V2 does stone damage.
-Both of these weapons are the only weapons that are exclusive to Superbrawl. Speaking of Superbrawl, shouldn't we list how much damage all the weapons do in Superbrawl, since they are very different from Story Mode? [[User:Taric25|Taric25]] ([[User talk:Taric25|talk]]) 02:51, 1 February 2018 (EST)
-:I was taking a look at Superbrawl, as I've not played it yet, and I don't know where you see the weapons, like by name, in that mode.--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 11:44, 1 February 2018 (EST)
-:Nevermind, I see it now. No, it looks unlikely that we would add those weapons as we can't view all the same stats as the weapons in storymode. It would be better to record the full skill sets on a differnt page, which would include the weapons stats. --{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 11:58, 1 February 2018 (EST)
-::That seems reasonable. Where do you think we should list that information? [[User:Taric25|Taric25]] ([[User talk:Taric25|talk]]) 13:47, 4 February 2018 (EST)
-:::probably on a page for versus mode/superbrawl. I've got a bunch of info on the mode saved on my sandbox page (go to my profile and click the flaming head picture).--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 16:37, 4 February 2018 (EST)
-::::It looks like you have nice work so far. Perhaps I missed it, but where are the names of the weapons? Also, don't you think we should put a note under Rabbid Luigi's section in this article that he has two weapons not listed here in Superbrawl? [[User:Taric25|Taric25]] ([[User talk:Taric25|talk]]) 12:56, 17 February 2018 (EST)
-:::::I didn't include the weapon names. None of it matters as the stats for all the heroes weapons in that mode appear to be different from the stats in story mode, making the important info the skill sets instead, no the weapons. It could be confusing since you can't change weapons anyways, only skill sets.--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 15:24, 17 February 2018 (EST)
-::::::While the stats are different, we should at least list the weapon names somewhere. Also, some stats are visible in-battle during Superbrawl. [[User:Taric25|Taric25]] ([[User talk:Taric25|talk]]) 00:05, 10 April 2018 (EDT)
-== DK Adventure weapons ==
-Can you add in all the weapons for the Donkey Kong Adventure DLC? This includes their stats and descriptions.
---[[Special:Contributions/50.77.25.165|50.77.25.165]] 21:55, 2 July 2018 (EDT)
-== Weapons ==
-Wouldn't it be nice if the list included which world the different weapons can be found in? ( also a good idea to include the chapter it can be found in, which contextual action is needed( If necessary) and whether or not it's referring to the actual world or the area of the hub world.)
-EX: Killer extinct sentry and Bowser Basher Melee weapons can be found in ancient gardens.{{unsigned|198.72.157.192}}
-:How would you deal with the weapons in Donkey Kong Adventure? {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 17:15, 19 December 2018 (EST)
-:As far as that goes, you would just put where they can be found( e.g. the Atoll, Banana Lagoon, Reef, Jungle or Dungeon). If a weapon is already unlocked (Eg the woodshop walloper), Just put N/A.
-:In case you're wondering about the Steampunk DLC weapons, just put N/A.{{unsigned|198.72.157.192}}
-::I was just wondering considering there are six levels that are considered part of the Banana Lagoon, including the atoll where the Donkey Kong Adventure campaign begins. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 17:12, 20 December 2018 (EST)
-To: Toadette The achiever
-From: Anonymous,
-Can you please get as many users as possible to even consider this edit suggestion because I am starting to wonder if anyone else can see this.
-Does anyone have any questions regarding this suggestion? Like where should the name of the world each weapon can be found in go?
-For anyone who is considering this suggestion,Here's some links to some guides to help you fill in the location .( Note: The first two only give you the weapon locations for the first two worlds. The other two are for the Lava Pit. As far as the DK Adventure weapons go, you'll need to find that out yourself, but don't worry too much because a majority of the chests contain either 3d models, soundtracks, or artwork.)you could say that this proposal is pointless and there's lots of websites that could give you a lot of info on weapons, where to find them, and how to find them, But I say " what if you only wanted to check one website for such information and then some?" https://segmentnext.com/2017/08/29/mario-rabbids-kingdom-battle-weapons-locations-guide/
-https://gameranx.com/features/id/120126/article/mario-rabbids-kingdom-battle-all-treasure-chest-locations-world-4/https://www.camzillasmom.com/2017/mariorabbidskingdombattle/allchestslocation_lavapit_part1_mariorabbidskingdombattle_2017.html {{unsigned|198.72.157.192}}
-== Languages ==
-Should you include a page with a list of weapon names in other languages? --[[Special:Contributions/24.188.22.145|24.188.22.145]] 17:54, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
-== This is inconsistent and/or incomplete ==
-Only a few of the weapon categories have a "how to unlock" column. Either we need to remove it from the few that have them, or get info for the rest. {{User:PinkYoshiFan/sig}} 11:19, May 22, 2020 (EDT)
-:Obviously removal of valid information isn't a good idea, so we definitely should add it for the other ones. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:27, May 22, 2020 (EDT)