Editing Talk:Lava Bubble

Do Podoboos appear in SM64? I remember some kind of fireball with eyes.{{User:Knife/sig}}

I do remember something that jumps in and out of lava, not sure if its a Podoboo though. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

:It's not officially called a Podoboo. It's more like a flaming arch that rises from the lava (no eyes though). However, the painting to Lethal Laval Land has a picture of a flame with eyes and a mouth (although the actual entity does not appear in the game). -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

The Lethal Lava Land picture kinda looks like Fryguy, it even mentions that on Wikipedia. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

Looks just like the Podoboo's Bowser throws out in Super Mario World.
<br>- [[User: Yoshi Mastar|Yoshi Master]]

Oh yeah, I remember that! But I'm still leaning towards Fryguy.{{User:Knife/sig}}

It looks kind of like the fireball enemies from the Rainbow Road dribble Race in ''[[Mario Hoops 3 on 3]]'', which in turn resemble the Fire Ball enemies from the Final Fantasy series. {{User:Monty Mole/sig}}

it IS [[Fryguy]]! I Checked! [[User:Maxlover2|Max2]]

When i checked it said it was an eerie flame-y version of bowser. [[User:Ramm]]

''From?''
<br>- [[User: Yoshi Mastar|Yoshi Master]]

The game! Compare a picture of the painting to FryGuy in the link above. It is easier to see in the SM64DS. [[User:Maxlover2|Max2]]

Sorry, but I'm not seeing it. The fireball on the painting looks more like an actual fireball, but with Fryguy, you can see a mask - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]] 17:45, 27 February 2007 (EST)

I don't think it looks like Fryguy. Fryguy has some kind of blue mask.{{User:Knife/sig}} 18:44, 27 February 2007 (EST)

It probably is not Fryguy. Fryguy looks different than that. I agree with Ultimatetoad. [[User:Snowspike55|Snowspike55]]


<br>Silence all of you.
<br>[[Image:Winner.PNG]]
<br>- [[User: Yoshi Mastar|Yoshi Master]]

? What? What game is THAT from? Let's see... SMB2... SM64... ??? [[User:Maxlover2|Max2]]

Super Mario World. Final fight with Bowser. Those look more like the painting fireballs than Fryguy.
<br>- [[User: Yoshi Mastar|Yoshi Master]]

Looks more like Super Mario World. DISCUSSION: OVER! {{User:Paper Jorge/sig|Sigh...}}

So wait, they're only Podoboos if they have eyes? What about the random fireballs without eyes, in like every game with lava? Even Super Mario Bros? Are those just fireballs? {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:38, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

== We should move some of the articles... they are the same enemy! ==

The Podoboo entry mentions that some possibly related enemies are Lava Bubbles, Lava Drops, Embers, and Phantom Ember. Thanks to The Mushroom Kingdom, we know that not only are they directly related - they are exactly the same enemy!

Podoboos (platformers), Lava Bubbles (Paper Mario), and Sparky (Super Mario RPG) have the same name in Japanese - バブル (Bubble). They are intended to be the same exact enemy. Similarly, Embers are an offshoot of the Podoboo, just as Fireballs (Buburr[?]) and Pyrosheres (Bobble) are. The localizers were just a bit careless when it came back to referring to the Bubbles' English name (after all, they're more concerned with changing Nokonokos to Koopa Troopas and such). Therefore, to be consistent, the articles should all be merged under a single name (preferably Podoboo). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 14:34, 12 November 2008 (EST)
:Er, while they may be related (going strictly off of translations), they do need to stay separate. Their names are official and different in America, and they each affect gameplay differently. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 15:23, 12 November 2008 (EST)
::"Affect Gameplay differently"? How so? In all games they appeared in, they serve as Mario enemies, even if the genres are different. Using that logic, we should create an article for {{fake link|Koopa Shell (Mario Kart)}} because they "affect gameplay differently" than in the Platformers. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 15:28, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Let's put it this way:

*'''Podoboos''': First debuted in ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]''; they jump out of [[lava]] in the same vertical motion; they are found some ''[[Mario Party (series)|Mario Party]]'' mini-games, each affecting gameplay differently in one way or another.
*'''Sparky''': First debuted in ''[[Super Mario RPG]]''; they have an attack, HP, and defense different to that of a Podoboo, which has none; they have a slightly different appearance; they can only be found in certain locations, different than Podoboos.
*'''Lava Bubble, Ember, and Phantom Ember''': Each of these debut in a different game, but all appear together in ''[[Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door]]''; each has a different attack, defense, and HP from the last; they appear in different locations.
*'''Hotheads and Li'l Sparkies''': Each debut in ''[[Super Mario World]]''; though they appear to be of the same species, they have a different name.

Each of these points prove as to how they affect gameplay differently. The Koopa Shell from ''Super Mario Bros.'' serves the same purpose as in the ''Mario Kart'' series: they get kicked/thrown to get in the player's way. In ''Super Mario Bros.'', when the player kicks the shell, it generally destroys enemies along it's path; however, they can ricochet off of an object and hit the player, damaging him/her. In the ''Mario Kart'' series, they player throws the shell to inflict damage on an opponent. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 15:46, 12 November 2008 (EST)
:I support merging, but only for the enemies that have the same name in Japanese. Those with different Japanese names, no matter how similar they may be in name or appearance, will have to remain separate as sub-species. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 14:57, 4 December 2009 (EST)

When do they appear in ''[[Mario Superstar Baseball]]''? --{{User:Yoshi626/sig}} 17:22, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
:They don't. It's fireballs from Bowser's Castle, not this. Fg, those guys aren't Lava Bubbles - removed. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 17:28, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Actually in the game they are called fiery bubbles.{{User:Fg/sig}}

== Mario Party 8 ==
When a player lands on a [[Bowser Space]] In [[Goomba's Booty Boardwalk]], Bowser sends in Lava Bubbles to attack the player, and they have to Jump to avoid losing [[Coins]]. Should we add that? {{User:Mariofan459/sig}}

:Yeah add that if it's not in there. That was the worst Bowser Space ever!--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}
::If they are clearly recognizable as Lava Bubbles, then of course, by all means ;3. - {{User:Edofenrir/sig}} 19:10, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

==Merge with Podoboo?== 
Both [[Podoboos]] and [[Lava Bubbles]] have the same japanese name (バブル, Baburu) and even the same german name (Lava Blub) and they have the same attack pattern in Yoshi's Island and Super Paper Mario, so should they be merged? -[[User:FourPaperHeroes|FourPaperHeroes]] 19:05, 28 January 2011 (EST)

==Merge Lava Bubble with [[Podoboo]]==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|13-5|merge}}
Per the comment above.

'''Proposer''': {{User|FourPaperHeroes}}<br>
'''Deadline''': 15, February 2011 23:59 GMT.

===Merge===
#{{User|FourPaperHeroes}} Per my comment above.
#{{User|Supremo78}} It says in the Lava Bubble article that they're Podoboos that first appeared in Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island.
#{{User|Galaxy_2}} Pro Proposal. We'll make the same in teh German Mariowiki
#{{User|Yoshiwaker47}} Per Supremo78.
#{{User|Pokémon Trainer Mario}} Per all
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Per all! Merge it!
#{{User|New Super Mario}} Per S78
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! At first I was going to say no, but the names are the same and those are good points they make. Zero signing out.
#{{User|HenryClaylogan}} Per all.
#{{User|Arend}} Though the PM Lava Bubble has different eyes, they are technically the same as Podoboos. Indeed, Podoboos have been called Lava Bubbles elsewhere than in the Paper Mario games, such as in Mario Sports Mix, recently released in Europe and Australia.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all.
#{{User|DarkLuigi}} - Per all.
#{{User|Yoshi986}} - Per all.

===Don't merge===
#{{User|SWFlash}} Those are two different things, podoboo is more like an obstacle, but lava bubble is like enemy.
#{{User|AnimalCrossingCool}}Per All.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} They are different enemies, and therefore different articles per the policy.
#{{User|Baby Mario Bloops}} - Listen, this is a huge mistake! You can classify them as being pretty much the same (fire with eyes), but there are many differences! Each of them have appeared in different games and genres, along with different names. Even a Sparky by the name of [[Watt]] has appeared along with the [[Lava Bubble]] in [[Paper Mario]]! Heck, it would be better to merge [[Sparky]]s and [[Lil' Sparky]]s then with a Podoboo! Even if their differences is little, they have shown to be different all together! I really don't know how to make my point any clearer! It'll be like merging [[Goomba]] and [[Paragoomba]], or [[Goomba]] and [[Gloomba]], or all the [[Yoshi]]'s together! They have different pages because they ''are'' different! That is my point, and don't merge it just because they look and their japanese name are similar!!!!!!!! You can call them a sub-species, but not the same!
#{{User|BenButler1998}} A podoboo is a flame jumping up and down. A lava bubble is an enemy from Paper Mario. Two seperate articles.

===Comments===
Tails777, look in the article. They are basically the same things. A Lava Bubble is indeed a Podoboo, but just has a different look. Boo Buddies look different than Boos don't they? They're still classified as Boos. {{User|Supremo78}}

Are you guys sure this should be meged with ''Podoboo''?I always thought a Lava bubble was a sub-species of Ember,therefore making it a ghost.Just because they look similar and have the same names in different languages,they still arent the same thing.If others agree,I might make a proposal to put them back. {{unsigned|Yoshiyoshiyoshi}}

Well actually Ember would be a sub-species of Lava Bubble since Lava Bubble appeared first in the game and they look the same and take over the role that podoboo would have taken and they share the same name so i agree with the proposal personally {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}

Not exactly,Podoboos appear in the new Paper Mario game. doing what they normally do,jumping out of the lava. If Lava Bubbles also appear in the game,then it defnitely needs to be split. I guess I'll wait until then.
[[User:Yoshiyoshiyoshi|Yoshiyoshiyoshi]]

== Podoboo (Old Name) < Lava Bubble (New Name) ==
Since when where these enemies last called Podoboos. These days they seem to be called Lava Bubbles. I saw in Mario Party 8 that Bowser called them Lava Bubble and also Prima guides seem to call them that as well, do we think we should change the page name to Lava Bubble.--[[File:Yoshidarkblue.png|40px]][[User:New Super Yoshi|New]][[User talk:New Super Yoshi| Super]][[Special:Contributions/New_Super_Yoshi| Yoshi]][[File:Yoshired.png|50px]] 14:53, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
:Tell us the proof, and we will change it if that is an official source. Otherwise, that's a fan name. --[[User:Super Famicom 64|Super Famicom 64]] 16:15, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
::Which Prima guides because only ones released after 2007 matter {{User|Raven Effect}}
:::Super Mario 3D land.--[[File:Yoshidarkblue.png|40px]][[User:New Super Yoshi|New]][[User talk:New Super Yoshi| Super]][[Special:Contributions/New_Super_Yoshi| Yoshi]][[File:Yoshired.png|50px]] 11:54, 26 March 2012 (EDT)
::::Which one. --[[User:Super Famicom 64|Super Famicom 64]] 11:54, 26 March 2012 (EDT)

:::::Maybe the name was changed specifically for that game (sort of how [[Star Coin|Star Coins]] were called Star Medals in the same game). Unless more sources appear that call these enemies Lava Bubbles, we should keep the name as is.  --[[User:MimiTheCopycat|<span style="0.5-family:serif;green:#f00">MimiTheCopycat</span>]] 19:26, 22 August 2012 (EDT)

Rekindling this discussion. As New Super Yoshi said, when was the last time these enemies were called Podoboos? Officially, I mean, not just by fans. If they haven't been called Podoboos since ''Super Mario World'' first used Lava Bubble, or even just not in a very long time, that's significant cause to rename for sure, but I'd like to make sure my facts are straight first before opening any sort of formal proposal. -- [[User:1337star|1337star]] <sup>([[User talk:1337star|Mailbox SP]])</sup> 15:36, 30 November 2012 (EST)
:I know for a fact that they are called Poodoboo in Mario Party 2 and in Mario Party 7. {{User|Marshal Dan Troop}}

::In MP8, their figure description calls them lava bubbles.  We probably should make a TPP. -- [[File:NSMBWIIEJr.png|35px|link=Bowser Junior]] [[User:BowserJunior|Bowser]][[User Talk:BowserJunior|Junior]] [http://youtube.com/watch?v=smfAA6NN5Cs RULES!] 19:25, 31 December 2012 (EST)

I'm all for Lava Bubbles. All the Paper Mario games refer to them as such, and they were not named in Sticker Star.
--[[User:Spookum|Spookum]] ([[User talk:Spookum|talk]]) 21:32, 31 December 2012 (EST)

==Move to Lava Bubble==
{{settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|8-0|move}}
We should move this article.  Recently, they are no longer called podoboo, being called "lava bubble" in Prima guides and in-game in mario party 8. 

'''Proposer:''' {{User|BowserJunior}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' January 15, 2013, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|BowserJunior}} Per Proposal.
#{{User|1337star}} Per comments above/proposal.
#{{User|Tails777}} I agree to this proposal. In short: per proposal.
#{{User|Electrical Bowser jr.}} If the prima guide says so.
#{{User|Bowser45}} Per Electrical Bowser jr.
#{{User|MegaKoopa}} I like "Podoboo" better, but since "Lava Bubble" is more recent...
#{{User|RandomYoshi}} &mdash; Per proposal. I even think it's policy to have articles named after what they were most recently known as, but I may be wrong here.
#{{User|SuperFireBowserJr.}} I had no idea what the heck a podoboo was until I looked here, I always called them lava bubbles...
===Oppose===

===Comments===
I would like to know what they are called in the NSMB series before I cast my vote. {{User|Marshal Dan Troop}}

:Anyone got the NSMBU Prima guide?--{{User|BowserJunior}}

I think this case is similar to the [[Venus Fire Trap]], they are no longer called as such, with Fire Piranha being more common nowadays. Because of that, I don't know if I should support or oppose this. {{User:Byllant/sig}}

== Podoboo or Lava Bubble? ==

the nsmbu prima guide got practically all da enemy names wrong so i don't know if we should change da article name back to podoboo or not. i don't trust prima guides...{{unsigned|KoopaHammerman}}
:Prima guides are our last priority when it comes to naming. So no, we leave it as it is {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
:: Well, Podoboos WERE called that in the older Mario Party games, but still, until they see regular usage in the more recent games, we're leaving it like that. [[Special:Contributions/173.55.155.46|173.55.155.46]] 15:12, 10 March 2013 (EDT)
I will always see them as Podoboos. Ironically I think Lava Bubble dosen´t fit the enemy. {{unsigned|Zuper Zaloster}}
::And how is that ironic? :P Lava Bubble is, in my opinion, a quirky name for an enemy. I tend to say those are Podoboos, but since the more recent games call them Lava Bubbles, we'll call them that. <br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 17:41, 30 August 2013 (EDT)
:::1, I mean it's ironic because they ARE live lava bubbles. 2, I like to call them podoboos because (from what I recall) they are only called Lava Bubbles in the Paper Mario series. Say what you want but I suggest to change it back to Podoboo. {{User:Zuper Zaloster}}
::::That's probably not the right way to say "ironic", but I disgress. They are called Lava Bubbles in Mario Party as well and in Prima Guides (however inaccurate they may be). Otherwise, your reasoning for this is fairly weak. <br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 14:59, 19 November 2013 (EST)
:::::I never read any of the the Prima Guides (and I'm quite sure I won't buy any of them) so I can't get information from them. The fact that they were called Lava Bubbles in the latter Mario Party games is a very strong argument but I mainly see official names in main games. I guess the official name can be decided by a future Prima Guide or something.<br> {{User:Zuper Zaloster}}

==The rest of this wiki==
Nearly all the other pages call them "Podoboos", when the article is called lava bubble.[[User:Rpg gamer|RPG Gamer. I HAVE RPG!!]] ([[User talk:Rpg gamer|talk]]) 02:29, 5 April 2013 (EDT).

Yes your right, I don't understand that. [[File:Mario MK7.png|70px]] [[User:Mario Kart 7 Rules]] ([[User Talk:Mario Kart 7 Rules|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Mario Kart 7 Rules|edits]]) [[User:Mario Kart 7 Rules/sig]] 09:03, 26 February 2015 (EST)

:This was their "official" (I'm not sure how official it was) English name before opting for the more standard (and now more increasingly common) Lava Bubble. Therefore these are just remnants of the past and should be updated. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 15:04, 26 February 2015 (EST)

== Pronunciation ==

How do you pronounce "podoboo"? I've always pronounced it POE-doe-boo. I heard some pronounce it poe-DAW-boo. [[User:StarWolf|StarWolf]] ([[User talk:StarWolf|talk]]) 20:06, 29 December 2015 (EST)
:I pronounce it "Pod-uh-boo". <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]])</span> 20:30, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
::According to Super Mario Maker, the correct pronunciation is POH-doh-boh. [[User:MarioManTAW|MarioManTAW]] ([[User talk:MarioManTAW|talk]]) 11:47, 13 December 2017 (EST)
:::I hear another syllable, so I'm pretty sure they're really saying "Lava Bubble" in ''Super Mario Maker''. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:57, 17 December 2017 (EST)

== New Quote ==

Let's change the quote to this:
{{quote|I'm literally made of fire, and you're made of paper. Good luck, kindling. Bahaha!|Big Lava Bubble|Paper Mario: Color Splash}}
:--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 20:57, 13 December 2016 (EST)

==''Super Mario Land 2''?==
{{talk}}
The ''Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins'' [http://randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com/ai/scans/guide.html#sml2ape Shogakukan guide] states the following of 「バブル」 (Bubble) on page 16: 「火の海からポコッこ飛び出す溶岩のカタマリ。このキャラも、マリオシリーズではもうおなじみのキャラだろう。」 (''A lava lump that pops out of the fire sea. This character is also quite a familiar one in the Mario series.'') The artwork that accompanies it is [[:File:SML2 Artwork - Bubble.png|this one]]. Now, the traditional Lava Bubble doesn't seem to appear anywhere in the game. The closest thing might be the Witch's fiery projectile (and the artwork seems to be facing the side as if moving horizontally instead of vertically); however, the guide lists the game's enemies in roughly the order they appear in when playing normally/clockwise save a few, and this "Lava Bubble" would appear to be listed among Mario's castle enemies. Further, ''[https://i.imgur.com/CFXNZBx.jpeg Daijiten]'' lists ''Land 2'' as an appearance but uses different artwork and doesn't go into detail, and ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' leaves it out. Might anyone have a clue on what happened here? Perhaps it was deleted/unimplemented late in development? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:44, January 19, 2022 (EST)

Update: the reason it was previously mistaken for Fire Mario's fireball is because it was reused from [[:File:SMW Art - Fire Mario.png|its ''Super Mario World'' artwork]] - so there isn't necessarily an indication it would've moved horizontally. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:13, January 24, 2022 (EST)
:I'd noticed that oddity in Daijiten before, maybe they're accidentally listing "Faia" twice or some manner of prototype thing? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:27, January 24, 2022 (EST)
::I considered that (Fire Pakkun Zō's) "Faia" was just accidentally listed twice, but then I thought it was too strange since not only does the artwork show its different sizes, but its description literally brings up the big fire and small fire, and on the same page no less. Still, I did notice [[Bomubomu#Names in other languages|another mistake]] a page apart, so it's possible that this is also an error. I have a feeling this is a remnant of a hard-build [[Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins#Development|test version]], but as [[tcrf:Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins|TCRF]] doesn't mention leftover graphics or code, there's no way to verify that with current information. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:18, January 27, 2022 (EST)
:::Another thought occurred to me: since it reuses Fire Mario fireballs artwork, might it be referring to Fire ''Wario''{{'}}s fireballs? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 04:03, January 29, 2022 (EST)
::::Potentially, but then you'd think it should be listed after Floating Face, not to mention the description is still off. On page 92, the description for Fire Wario's boss fight refers to his fireballs as 「ファイア」 (''faia'', fire), which happens to be the same as Fire Pakkun Zō's. For reference, page 22 describes Fire Mario's as 「ファイアボール」 (''faiabōru'', fireball). I don't think this is enough information to work with. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:32, March 13, 2022 (EDT)
::::Also, as expected, [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/character/mario/archives/land2/ Mario] [https://archive.ph/xw7hA Portal] leaves it out too. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:22, August 25, 2022 (EDT)
::::Another update: the [[:File:KC Mario Super Mario Land 2 Enemies.jpg|roll call]] from the Kodansha adaptation ''also'' includes the Bubble, in the top right area near F Boy. Note that the Fire Piranha statue's fire is also listed together in the bottom left. So as far as this artist was concerned, these are supposed to be separate things. You can check the [https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/index.php?topic=14805.0 KC catelog] for it, but unfortunately, I couldn't find a good sign of what the Bubble could've been in the story. The closest might be [https://i.imgur.com/arGpHau.jpeg this scene] in part 3 where Wario relights the candles of defeated enemies to revive them before Mario and Luigi storm the castle, but that event obviously doesn't correspond to the game. Unknown if the KC artist was privvy to what the Bubble could've been, but part 1 released about nine months after the game, so make of that what you will. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:52, December 5, 2022 (EST)

== Shape ==
{{talk}}
Would it be noteworthy to mention they look like ghosts? (Take the Ghost Monsters from Pac-Man, or Peepas for example). I know they have never directly been confirmed to BE ghosts, but they at least are shaped like a ghost, whether it was intentional or not). --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 08:27, March 6, 2024 (EST)
: Yeah. Plus, the Perfect Mario Encyclopedia and Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door says they are ghosts. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 09:35, March 17, 2024 (EDT)