Editing Talk:Goal Pole

I always thought it was a skull, and the remakes in Super Mario All-Stars clearly indicate that it is a skull. This skull likely represents that a fort or castle is under the control of the Koopa Troop. When Mario brings the flag down, he is performing a symbolic gesture signifying Bowser's rule in this location is over. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

Hmmm... you're probably right. You can add that if you want. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 14:36, 6 April 2008 (EDT)


Aren't flagpoles in SMG and SMG2? [[User:Revenge of kurbio|Revenge Of Kurbio]] ([[User talk:Revenge of kurbio|talk]]) 19:29, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

They are but don't work like these. They I think only appear in Throwback and Bowser's Galaxy Generator. {{User:YoshiGo99/sig}}

==Move Flagpole to Goal Pole==
{{SettledTPP}}
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|11-1}}
It's the newer name. According to [[MarioWiki:Naming#Name Changes|this]], we should always use the newer name.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Technickal}}<br>
'''Deadline''': September 3, 2012 23:59 GMT
====Support====
#{{User|Technickal}} Per above.
#{{User|JORDAN DEBONO}} Goal Pole is used in NSMB2 and we should always update our info. Times change, and so do names of items, characters, etc. If we leave this to remain Flagpole, we might as well rename the article [[Mario]] to Jumpman with a redirect to take care of things.
#{{User|ToastUltimatum}} Flagpole has clearly been ditched in favour of Goal Pole, which is undisputably a cooler name anyway. '''Strongly Support''' the move.
#{{User|Electrical Bowser jr.}} If it's the new name, I'll support.
#{{user|MarioSmasher}} – WHAT DOES COUNT IN ENCYCLOPEDIAS LIKE THIS ONE? Recent names! And what we do? Move to the most recent names! This is it, not keeping to the old name just because it's "moar popular".
#{{User|Raven Effect}} having consulted the manual for New Super Mario Bros. 2 and seeing that they do indeed call it goal pole I have decided to change my vote based on the growing trend that Flagpole has indeed been renamed Goal Pole due to the consitancy of the rename.
#{{User|New Super Yoshi}} Per all.
#{{User|Koopa K}} I now think we should do it, if we keep consistency and rename all the articles who's names have been consistently replaced.
#{{User|Tails777}} Per consistency I guess. We should follow that kind of stuff.
#{{User|LuigiBlubber}}It's da new name!
#{{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}} per all

====Oppose====
<s>#{{User|Raven Effect}} this proposal [http://www.mariowiki.com/Talk:Queen_Bee#Queen_Bee_vs._Honey_Queen] sets a precedent that we should use the most commonly used name which in this case would be flag pole.</s> <br>
<s>#{{User|Koopa K}} Per Prince Ludwig, I think the most common name should be used. </s><br>
<s>#{{User|Tails777}} Per all.</s>
#{{User|Prince Ludwig}} Thinking about [[Queen Bee]] and [[Star]], I don't know. The Flagpole's old name can be remained like this. Even newer names are born after a recent release of a new game, we often keep the old name which we are used to the most.

====Comments====
Hmmm this one is tough, I can't decide, you've both made good arguments. At this point I am 50.01/49.99 for support. {{User|Koopa K}} August 21 2012 8:25 (EDT)

Question: In the proposal you mentioned Raven, someone mentioned that if she is called Honey Queen in another game, we should change it. As far as I know, the name "Goal Pole" was first used in Super Mario 3D Land (does someone have a NSMBWii manual?) and was later used in Mario Tennis Open and New Super Mario Bros. 2. It seems that Goal Pole is used more often than Flagpole. Even if they didn't read the instruction manual for Super Mario Bros., "flagpole" is often used by fans even after the name change.

Flagpole: used in Super Mario Bros., Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix<br>
Goal Pole: used in Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Tennis Open, New Super Mario Bros. 2

And in New Super Mario Bros. DS it's just called a "Goal".
{{User|Technickal}}
:Flagpole is also called that in The Lost Levels, BiS, MP8 and TTYD.{{User|Koopa K}}
::I've beaten TTYD and never seen it referred to by name...searched the [http://www.gamefaqs.com/gamecube/920182-paper-mario-the-thousand-year-door/faqs/50110|game script] and couldn't find it. And in MP8 it's called "flag". I don't know about BiS though but you're probably right about Lost Levels. {{User|Technickal}}
:::In NSMBW it is just called the "Goal" I have the manual I know... {{User|Koopa K}}
'''@JORDAN DEBONO''' We don't always ''have'' to use the new name. Most of the time we just use the most common name, a good example of this is the [[Star]] which in recent games has been called the Super Star, but we didn't change the article. {{User|Koopa K}}

I say wait 1 more game, if it is confirmed to be Goal Pole in NSMBU then I will support. {{User|Koopa K}}

About that. New Super Mario Bros. U is coming out in December, and the deadline for this is September. So if you want to support or oppose, you need to do it now. {{User:Electrical Bowser jr./sig}}

:Good idea Koopa K but unfortunately the deadline is before. However, I think we ''(or Technickal)'' should make an exception here, letting the deadline stretch out to lets say Christmas eve or something. {{User|JORDAN DEBONO}}
::Two mistakes in that comment [[User:Electrical Bowser jr.|Electrical Bowser jr.]] some stuff can be confirmed before the release date and 2. I already opposed. {{User|Koopa K}}
:::I'll extend the deadline, but am I allowed to do that? {{User|Technickal}}
::::I don't think your allowed to unless it is a tie. {{User|Koopa K}}

Quote from New Super Mario Bros manual:
"Every course has a '''goal''' at the end. When you reach the end of a course, face the '''pole''' and jump as high as you can. The higher Mario grabs on to the pole, the more points you'll earn."
While it is not directly stated, it seems the name is Goal Pole.
{{User|Technickal}}
:Yeah but couldn't pole also mean Flagpole. Also your speculating quite a bit that just because it says Goal and Pole that means it's called goal pole. None the less I'm going to support due to the recent trend that the last 3 games have all called it Goal Pole.
{{unsigned|Raven Effect}}

Flagpole: SMB, SMBS, SMBLL, DDRMM, possibly TTYD, NSMBW and BIS.
Goal Pole: SM3DL, MTO, NSMB2, possibly NSMBW.
Goal: NSMB, possibly NSMBW
Points system: 1pt for a know game, .5 for possibly
Flagpole: 5.5pts
Goal Pole: 3.5pts
Goal: 1.5pts
(note: SMBS stands for [[Super Mario Bros. Special]] which is a mini-sequel to SMB. {{User|Koopa K}}
:Where are they called that in ''Bowser's Inside Story''? {{User|Technickal}}
::He said possibly, also to some of the people supporting you shouldn't just support because it's the most recent name you should support a name change because the new name has been consistently applied. {{User|Raven Effect}}
:::I agree with Raven, Flagpole is being phased out in favor of Goal Pole which has been constantly used in later games. {{User|Technickal}}
::::Are you saying we should call the [[Star]] article {{fakelink|Super Star}} because that name has been consistently used (NSMBW, SM3DL, NSMB2.) {{User|Koopa K}}
:::::Perhaps, but that requires another proposal. {{User|Technickal}}
::::::Star to super star is a little different since MK7 calls it the star and since the name has varied from game to game with the star being called at least 3 different things. {{User|Raven Effect}}
:::::::Perhaps we should split Star and Super Star, since we did the same with [[Mushroom|Dash Mushroom]] and [[Super Mushroom]]. It was last referred to as a Starman in NSMB. But I'm getting off topic here, so let's leave it at that. {{User|Technickal}}
::::::::That's because those things do different things...But your right spitting something that does the exact same thing in every game into two different articles makes so much sense. {{User|Raven Effect}}

Should we rename [[Goomba's Shoe]] Kuribo's Shoe since it's more popular among fans? {{User|Technickal}}

:Technickal you know better than to write things like this on a totally different TPP and overall subject. Put your comment in its respective [[Talk:Goomba's Shoe|talk page]]. {{User|JORDAN DEBONO}}
::What I mean is, we used the more recent name instead of the more common name on this, so keeping this as Flagpole would be inconsistency. {{User|Technickal}}
:::Actually we already had a proposal about that [http://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_17#Change_Goomba.27s_Shoe_to_Kuribo.27s_Shoe]. And I voted for this proposal because of a trend in the names well said trend doesn't exist with the goomba's shoe. {{User|Raven Effect}}

== Adding Headers? ==
Goal Pole page is a bit uncategorized... should we add all the sections for every game where it appears like in [[Boost Pad]] page? {{User|Tsunami}}