Editing Talk:Final Smash

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Do you think the character final smashes qualify for having their own article each? Or should all of them be listed and described here? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 08:09, 2 June 2007 (EDT)

Nope. You SHOULD list em' here, but only as links to the actual pages. They are seperate attacks you know, so they deserve their own article. - {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}

== Final Smash compilation video ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9bqdOH3js0 This YouTube video] has Final Smashes of various characters, including Meta Kight, Ike, and Zero Suit Samus, whose Final Smashes are not up on the Dojo yet. Can we put them up here and give them conjectural names until the Dojo reveals the real ones, like we did with Kirby before his Final Smash went up on the Dojo? — [[User:NES Boy|NES Boy]] 12:11, 20 October 2007 (EDT)
:We cannot create articles for them, but we can add them to the table on this page and list their names as "unknown". - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:28, 20 October 2007 (EDT)
==Wario's Final Smash==
Should we put Wario's final smash u kno the big Wario Waft he does {{User:King Mario/sig|That could be his FS}}
:The [[Wario Waft]] is Wario's Down special move, not his Final Smash. {{User:Xzelion/Signature}}

== Zero Suit Samus' Final Smash... ==

...does not make her equip her Fusion Suit. First of all, that is only a palette swap of the Fusion Suit. It still has the same overall appearance as the Power Suit. Second, that Fusion Suit palette swap is one of Samus' colors, just like there is a "Fire Mario" color for Mario, a yellow "Daisy" dress for Peach, and a "Dark Link" color for Link. And last, what ZSS's Final Smash basically does is make her equip her armored suit.{{unsigned|ElementGodX}}
:That sounds reasonable. But do you have a source? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:11, 4 November 2007 (EST)
::This doesn't require a source. It requires common sense. Why would they complicate Samus even more by making ZSS become Fusion Suit Samus? One Final Smash after the other is ridiculous:

::Samus + Smash Ball = Zero Suit Samus + Smash Ball = Fusion Suit Samus + Smash Ball = ???

::^ That is highly unlikely. [[user:ElementGodX|ElementGodX]]
:::High unlikeliness doesn't help an encyclopedia. However, the previous statement about the Fusion Suit didn't have a source as well, so there's no way I could say something against it. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:37, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Turns out he's right, I think.  The website publically posted the palette swap making Samus look just like she does in the screenshot we have for this "final smash".  You'll also remember that each fighter can only use one Final Smash per game according to early information.  This could have changed, but Sakurai hasn't said anything to the opposite effect.  As it stands, I feel our concern should be that, unless there is video proof, we are assuming the attack exists based on high likeliness. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:33, 5 December 2007 (EST)

Hmm... Final Smashes can only be used once? Then how come Zero Suit Samus can use a Smash Ball when Samus has already used a Smash Ball to become Zero Suit Samus. It is either that Final Smashes can be used more than once or that the whole Zero Suit Samus using a Smash Ball was fake. {{User:MarioBros777/sig}}Think about it or unless you can start of as Zero Suit Samus.
:My point was that, based on the "it can only be used once," we are assuming that she has one, which is more questionable than passing off what we now know to be a color swap as a final smash.  Who cares, though?  In two weeks, all this will be moot when the Japanese version comes out. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 14:06, 13 January 2008 (EST)
::Okay, for the record, you were right all along.  Congratulations! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 16:22, 16 January 2008 (EST)

== Attacks unique to Smash Bros.? ==

<blockquote>No fighter is known to possess the ability to perform these moves in their own worlds under the same conditions, as Smash Balls only exist in the world of Super Smash Bros.</blockquote>
I'm starting to question this statement. While Mario certainly never used a [[Mario Finale]] in Mario games and Peach never used [[Peach Blossom]], other attacks like [[Super Sonic]] and [[Light Arrow]] ([http://zeldawiki.org/Image:Tp_lightarrow2.jpg ahem]) do appear in their respective series and are used by the characters in that way. The attacks existed before Smash Bros. Is the above still correct? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 04:27, 21 January 2008 (EST)
:Key phrase, "under the same conditions."  I don't know if ZeldaWiki says it, (try zelda.wikia.com they usually are complete), but that picture there was of when Zelda summoned the four Light Spirits and borrowed their power.  Definately not like a Smash Ball. :)  Sonic's though is a little more iffy.  I would say the statement still stands because instead of utilizing 50 Rings in order to become Super Sonic, he utilizes a Smash Ball.  So, the means are different.  If you'll like to change that sentence to clarify, of course you should do so, but as far as removing it, I feel that would be bad.  Oh, and just so you know, I wrote that sentense so I know what I meant... but if you don't that's a sign of a badly written sentense and you should change it. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 13:06, 21 January 2008 (EST)
::Well, just the fact that the condition is the Smash Ball makes the statement quite obvious. It was better when there were only moves like [[Giga Bowser Transformation]] etc. which the character never actually used in the series, but now it's confusing. About Zelda - I don't need a wiki for my info, I have played the game, I only wanted to show it to those who didn't. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 13:09, 21 January 2008 (EST)
:::Good.  I'm a big Zelda fan as well, but I was thinking the same thing.  I read your changes and I feel it is much more informative and not at all speculative.  So, big improvement. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 16:32, 21 January 2008 (EST)

== Diffusion Beam ==

We need an image for it as it was missed. {{User:Phoenix Rider/sig}}

== Trophies ==

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I was thinking about this - should we add all the Final Smash trophies here? (even though they're in other articles) {{user:Mario jc/sig}}
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 I was thinking about this - should we add all the Final Smash trophies here? (even though they're in other articles) {{user:Mario jc/sig}}
-:Seems kind of unnecessary. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
-== Delete ==
-No relevence to the Mario series. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] 23:15, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
-Final Smash is in Super Smash Bros. Mario can use Final Smash. Final Smash has relevance. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 23:17, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
-:Mario's own Final smash could have an article, as could Luigi's, Peach's, and Bowser's. However, having an article that lists other final smashes is unncecessary, when Smashwiki already covers this. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] 23:25, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
-Maybe you should see the [[MarioWiki:Coverage|coverage thingy]] for more information. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 23:38, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
-== More Final Smashes for SSB4 ==
-Thanks to the E3 footage from Nintendo Treehouse, more Final Smashes have been shown (like Zero Suit Samus, Luigi, Sonic). Are we gonna add them now or wait until the official name for the Final Smashes are revealed? {{User:Tails777/sig}}
-:Pretty sure for those Final Smashes that remain the same, you can assume they're called the same. You can list them now; you don't need their names to provide decent information. {{User:Mario/sig}} 14:30, 12 June 2014 (EDT)
-==Needs more images==
-Due to the lack of images, the editor who edited out this article needs to find more images that represent the {Final Smash}. {User:birdtendo}
-== Final Smash Types ==
-Through [[smashwiki:Talk:Final Smash#Drop the "types"|a small discussion]] over on the SmashWiki, it was decided to drop the "types" listed for the big Final Smash table. In my opinion, it only seems fitting that we do the same here; however, that is just my opinion. I'd like to hear if you guys have any objections. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidanzapunk'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Aidanzapunk|talk]]) 10:19, 2 November 2015 (EST)
-:Do the same here. The type division feels arbitrary, and there's a higher emphasis on official nomenclature over common usage here compared to SmashWiki. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 13:53, 2 November 2015 (EST)
-== Leftovers? ==
-Just updated the page with the new Final Smash revealed through Nintendo Treehouse and off-screen gameplay. Did I miss anything? {{unsigned|Prpro&#61;03}}
-== Final Smash names ==
-The SmashWiki shows that all of the currently unnamed Final Smashes in [[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]] have been named. I don't know if its true or not? {{unsigned|Prpro&#61;03}}
-== GIF ==
-Do you think we should try to get GIFs of each Final Smash instead of just using images? [[User:Prpro&#61;03|PrPro03]] ([[User talk:Prpro&#61;03|talk]]) 11:35, August 3, 2019 (EDT)Prpro=03
-:Given the ridiculous amount of Final Smashes in SSBU, not counting replaced ones, adding GIFs of each one would massively extend the page's load time. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 11:59, August 3, 2019 (EDT)
-::Agreed, bad idea. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 02:31, August 4, 2019 (EDT)
-== Neaten up ==
-I think I have two ideas as to make this page neater than it already is, if either seem reasonable let me know:
-A) We split the charts between games so ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl'' has its own Final Smash chart etc. and any characters with reused Final Smashes can say that they function similar to the previous game.
-OR
-B) We put the name of the character in the first column and the name of the Final Smash in the second column?
-[[User:Prpro&#61;03|PrPro03]] ([[User talk:Prpro&#61;03|talk]]) 10:18, August 8, 2019 (EDT)Prpro=03
-:I don't see a problem with how it is now. Option A would end up having a lot of "This Final Smash functions the same as in the previous game"s, and the page is about Final Smashes, so it would make sense for those to be the first column and the characters the second (though even so, option B doesn't really change anything). {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 22:10, August 8, 2019 (EDT)
-==Disambigs needed?==
-There are currently several disambig pages for Final Smashes. These include Triforce Slash, Light Arrow, Zero Laser, Landmaster, Volt Tackle, Mega Evolution, PK Starstorm, Critical Hit, and Grand Cross. There are also other ''Super Smash Bros.'' moves with disambig pages like Missile and Counter, but at least those span multiple articles. Now that the wiki's moved on to the list format for ''Super Smash Bros.'' content, I don't think the disambigs for Final Smashes need to exist anymore individually. They're just going to redirect here, and in most cases, they're identical and are grouped together now anyway. The only ones I can see being useful are Triforce Slash and Landmaster since Link and Fox kept their articles. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:58, October 19, 2023 (EDT)
-:As per [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/65#Trim or remove various Smash franchise-specific subcategories|this proposal]], all ''Smash'' redirects are to be deleted, which would render the disambiguation pages unnecessary, so they should also be deleted, solving this issue. {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 16:05, March 16, 2024 (EDT)