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So, if it isn't named in-game, i guess it's in the Prima guide? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:08, April 12, 2019 (EDT) | So, if it isn't named in-game, i guess it's in the Prima guide? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:08, April 12, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:And besides the Prima guide, do any guide mention it at any point? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 08:02, May 4, 2019 (EDT) | :And besides the Prima guide, do any guide mention it at any point? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 08:02, May 4, 2019 (EDT) | ||
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== Determine wether to rename this page or not == | == Determine wether to rename this page or not == | ||
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So here above, is the discussion. While the Prima guide calls it "Huge Red Electrokoopa" twice, the other times use generic descriptors not capitalized instead of "huge". While it is green, it refers to which Electro-Koopa it is a large variant of. The other guides call it "Giant Koopa", while the Nintendo Power guide incompetely does not properly name it and generically refers it as "turtle". The encyclopedia calls it "Electro-Koopa (green)", however, that's because of us, since it wasn't called as such anywhere, and it's Japanese name isn't Denki Nokonoki (midori) either. Depending on the consensus, i will vote. | |||
So here above, is the discussion. While the Prima guide calls it "Huge Red Electrokoopa" twice, the other times use generic descriptors not capitalized instead of "huge". While it is green, it refers to which Electro-Koopa it is a large variant of. The other guides call it "Giant Koopa", while the Nintendo Power guide incompetely does not properly name it and generically refers it as "turtle". The encyclopedia calls it "Electro-Koopa (green)", however, that's because of us, since it wasn't called as such anywhere, and it's Japanese name isn't Denki | |||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|FanOfYoshi}} | '''Proposer:''' {{User|FanOfYoshi}} | ||
'''Deadline:''' | '''Deadline:''' September, 5, 2019, 23:59 GMT | ||
===Move back to Electro-Koopa (green)=== | ===Move back to Electro-Koopa (green)=== | ||
<s>#{{User|Niiue}} Most straightforward name of the bunch.</s> | <s>#{{User|Niiue}} Most straightforward name of the bunch.</s> | ||
#{{User|Scrooge200}} Easy to understand. Makes more sense than anything else here. | #{{User|Scrooge200}} Easy to understand. Makes more sense than anything else here. | ||
===Move to Giant Koopa (Electro-Koopa)=== | ===Move to Giant Koopa (Electro-Koopa)=== | ||
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} From the start I thought this was the most reasonable option, with Big Koopa Troopas being the only thing in the way, but the identifier takes care of this problem. While Huge Red Electrokoopa ''technically'' makes sense as a name, I'm not at all a fan of how misleading it is at first glance and how confusing it is to get to the proper conclusion; "it's not an Electrokoopa that's big and red, it's a Red Electrokoopa that's big and green." I also see no reason to throw away the English names we have in favor of a Japanese one. | #{{User|Waluigi Time}} From the start I thought this was the most reasonable option, with Big Koopa Troopas being the only thing in the way, but the identifier takes care of this problem. While Huge Red Electrokoopa ''technically'' makes sense as a name, I'm not at all a fan of how misleading it is at first glance and how confusing it is to get to the proper conclusion; "it's not an Electrokoopa that's big and red, it's a Red Electrokoopa that's big and green." I also see no reason to throw away the English names we have in favor of a Japanese one. | ||
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#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per both. | #{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per both. | ||
#{{User|TheDarkStar}} Per all. | #{{User|TheDarkStar}} Per all. | ||
===Move to Dennoko King=== | ===Move to Dennoko King=== | ||
#{{User|Niiue}} Although it's not as straightforward as I'd prefer, this feels like a better option than "Giant Koopa (Electro-Koopa)". | #{{User|Niiue}} Although it's not as straightforward as I'd prefer, this feels like a better option than "Giant Koopa (Electro-Koopa)". | ||
#{{User|7feetunder}} I don't really like either of the other names; this seems like the best option to me. | #{{User|7feetunder}} I don't really like either of the other names; this seems like the best option to me. | ||
===Do not move the page at all (Don't do anything)=== | ===Do not move the page at all (Don't do anything)=== | ||
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#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Even if on the surface it seems inaccurate, it still is accurate in that the species itself is called "Red Electrokoopa" in English. Additionally, from what I can tell it was ''never'' identified simply as "Electro-Koopa" itself, making that title inaccurate from an official literature-standpoint. "Huge Red Electrokoopa" is not "inaccurate," per se, it's simply a misnomer, which happens plenty ([[Buzzy Beetle]] and the "sized" Boos from SMRPG for example), even in real-world species names (take the amount of species that have "-fish" or "-fly" in their names despite not being fish or flies). In fact, it's only a misnomer on the surface, because again, it ''is'' a huge version of the red ones, and is even defeated the same way. | #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Even if on the surface it seems inaccurate, it still is accurate in that the species itself is called "Red Electrokoopa" in English. Additionally, from what I can tell it was ''never'' identified simply as "Electro-Koopa" itself, making that title inaccurate from an official literature-standpoint. "Huge Red Electrokoopa" is not "inaccurate," per se, it's simply a misnomer, which happens plenty ([[Buzzy Beetle]] and the "sized" Boos from SMRPG for example), even in real-world species names (take the amount of species that have "-fish" or "-fly" in their names despite not being fish or flies). In fact, it's only a misnomer on the surface, because again, it ''is'' a huge version of the red ones, and is even defeated the same way. | ||
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per all. To expand on the clunkiness of the other names: Electro-Koopa can refer to any variant (which is partly why the [[Electro-Koopa|disambiguation page]] has references) and the proposed identifier [[Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia#List of English translation mistakes and names from the Super Mario Wiki|came from us]], and Giant Koopa was also [[Big Koopa Troopa|taken]] and the articles' "about" template already mentions the situation adequately; while Dennoko King doesn't have these problems, we should still maintain an effort to adhere to the "another language" template's phrasing "If an official name from an English source is found, the article should be moved to its appropriate title," despite [[MarioWiki talk:Naming#Make an exception to source priority for articles with identical names|recent]] [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 52#Citing the Super Mario Encyclopedia|exceptions]]. Also, I meant it when I wrote that Red Electrokoopa and Blue Electrokoopa should be moved if this does. | #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per all. To expand on the clunkiness of the other names: Electro-Koopa can refer to any variant (which is partly why the [[Electro-Koopa|disambiguation page]] has references) and the proposed identifier [[Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia#List of English translation mistakes and names from the Super Mario Wiki|came from us]], and Giant Koopa was also [[Big Koopa Troopa|taken]] and the articles' "about" template already mentions the situation adequately; while Dennoko King doesn't have these problems, we should still maintain an effort to adhere to the "another language" template's phrasing "If an official name from an English source is found, the article should be moved to its appropriate title," despite [[MarioWiki talk:Naming#Make an exception to source priority for articles with identical names|recent]] [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 52#Citing the Super Mario Encyclopedia|exceptions]]. Also, I meant it when I wrote that Red Electrokoopa and Blue Electrokoopa should be moved if this does. | ||
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all, | #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all, especially LinkTheLefty. | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
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Why do the first two options use "Electro-Koopa" and not "Electrokoopa?" "Electrokoopa" is what the red and blue ones use. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 14:43, August 22, 2019 (EDT) | Why do the first two options use "Electro-Koopa" and not "Electrokoopa?" "Electrokoopa" is what the red and blue ones use. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 14:43, August 22, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:From the looks of things, "[[Electro-Koopa]]" was the only spelling used when talking about the species as a whole. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 14:47, August 22, 2019 (EDT) | :From the looks of things, "[[Electro-Koopa]]" was the only spelling used when talking about the species as a whole. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 14:47, August 22, 2019 (EDT) | ||