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But now that I've got some time again, the show must go on so here's something I threw in why Boss Bass being Big Cheep Cheep is a baffling thought. | But now that I've got some time again, the show must go on so here's something I threw in why Boss Bass being Big Cheep Cheep is a baffling thought. | ||
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:::::::::::::::::::::::Yes, that is a list of all relevant traits for each, not necessarily just the singular defining ones, though. In regards to ''all'' relevant traits, normal-sized Cheep Cheep and Porcupuffer have also been given the "eating" trait before and are ''certainly'' not the same as Boss Bass. It's even also the theme of the totally unrelated Lunge Fish. So...your point? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:39, September 7, 2020 (EDT) | :::::::::::::::::::::::Yes, that is a list of all relevant traits for each, not necessarily just the singular defining ones, though. In regards to ''all'' relevant traits, normal-sized Cheep Cheep and Porcupuffer have also been given the "eating" trait before and are ''certainly'' not the same as Boss Bass. It's even also the theme of the totally unrelated Lunge Fish. So...your point? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:39, September 7, 2020 (EDT) | ||
::::::::::::::::::::::::My point is, what's your point? If Cat Bullet Bill being a cat is its main differentiating feature, does that make homing its main trait? Because by that logic, Boss Bass and Cheep Chomp's main differentiating trait is being big, angry-eyed buck-toothed Cheep Cheeps and their main trait eating. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 17:07, September 8, 2020 (EDT) | ::::::::::::::::::::::::My point is, what's your point? If Cat Bullet Bill being a cat is its main differentiating feature, does that make homing its main trait? Because by that logic, Boss Bass and Cheep Chomp's main differentiating trait is being big, angry-eyed buck-toothed Cheep Cheeps and their main trait eating. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 17:07, September 8, 2020 (EDT) | ||
::::::::::::::::::::::::: | :::::::::::::::::::::::::🤦🏻♀️ "Main trait" = "main differentiating feature" = "main defining characteristic" = "main distinguishing attribute." The difference from what you're saying is that by definition "the main trait" is a ''singular'' trait, not ''every single attribute at once''. On another note, your argument there cannot be made without ''also'' merging Bub and N64 ''Mario Party'' Cheeps to Blurp, since they're all goggle-wearing fish with wide mouths and short, blunt fins, along with having the primary trait of swimming around with a gaping expression; basically, not like "typical" Cheep Cheeps at all. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:46, September 8, 2020 (EDT) | ||
::::::::::::::::::::::::::Yes it can, because SM64 is an anomaly to several enemy designs and swimming around with a gaping expression is typical Cheep Cheep behavior, not to mention that Blurps themselves borrowed that behavior and ended up omitted out. Both Cheep and Chomp then returned to form while the latter retained the Jp name makeover. Also who says main trait can only be singular, as in there being main ''trait'''s'''''? [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 14:16, September 13, 2020 (EDT) | ::::::::::::::::::::::::::Yes it can, because SM64 is an anomaly to several enemy designs and swimming around with a gaping expression is typical Cheep Cheep behavior, not to mention that Blurps themselves borrowed that behavior and ended up omitted out. Both Cheep and Chomp then returned to form while the latter retained the Jp name makeover. Also who says main trait can only be singular, as in there being main ''trait'''s'''''? [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 14:16, September 13, 2020 (EDT) | ||
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::Because the size for "main traits" can be made arbitrarily large, for example, putting amount of teeth as one when that doesn't affect anything. And even then, since a majority of K. Pukus in SMB3 didn't care about eating Mario, it was not a trait that differentiated them as a whole. Also, Cheeps don't normally have a "gaping" expression, they have an only slightly opened mouth usually. Also, while you say it was an anomaly for several enemy designs, no other ones made it look like a completely different pre-existing enemy. (Honestly, the only other "totally off" design I can think of off the top of my head is Thwomp, itself likely based on the SMK appearance to be frugal with polygons and textures. Typical Cheep Cheep could have been made with less textures than Bub.) [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:48, September 13, 2020 (EDT) | :::::::::::::::::::::::::::Because the size for "main traits" can be made arbitrarily large, for example, putting amount of teeth as one when that doesn't affect anything. And even then, since a majority of K. Pukus in SMB3 didn't care about eating Mario, it was not a trait that differentiated them as a whole. Also, Cheeps don't normally have a "gaping" expression, they have an only slightly opened mouth usually. Also, while you say it was an anomaly for several enemy designs, no other ones made it look like a completely different pre-existing enemy. (Honestly, the only other "totally off" design I can think of off the top of my head is Thwomp, itself likely based on the SMK appearance to be frugal with polygons and textures. Typical Cheep Cheep could have been made with less textures than Bub.) [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:48, September 13, 2020 (EDT) | ||
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::::::::::::::::::::But you did say you're an experienced spriter when I pointed out there's no telling what's the chronology of the sprite sets. That doesn't shield your view from criticism or second opinions which you want me to stop by telling me to shut it until I find something more concrete while pretending your claim has gone undisputed. When the sprites' order is virtually impossible to tell, your experienced take is as much of a guess as mine. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 16:53, November 12, 2020 (EST) | ::::::::::::::::::::But you did say you're an experienced spriter when I pointed out there's no telling what's the chronology of the sprite sets. That doesn't shield your view from criticism or second opinions which you want me to stop by telling me to shut it until I find something more concrete while pretending your claim has gone undisputed. When the sprites' order is virtually impossible to tell, your experienced take is as much of a guess as mine. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 16:53, November 12, 2020 (EST) | ||
:::::::::::::::::::::Just look at the lips on it, though, when they're sloppily divided it's clearly less finished than the ones with the smoothly connected lips. And while it ''could'' theoretically possible that they made the ones on he right first and started a rather boxy redesign before giving up completely halfway through, it just seems less likely from both a practical, economical, and artistic perspective. Anyways, I'm trying not to be rude here, but you are indeed the only person who is actively contesting it, with most others either begrudgingly accepting or not caring. But I'm not trying to peer pressure you here. I'm saying this conversation is pointlessly going in circles and the one thing you've brought up that legitimately made me need to stop and think for a bit was the Rip van Fish resemblance. Much as I did with Lava Piranha, therefore, stopping and waiting for something new to come up is most likely the best course of action for you, because as it stands, this is just needlessly taking time from both of us. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:04, November 12, 2020 (EST) | :::::::::::::::::::::Just look at the lips on it, though, when they're sloppily divided it's clearly less finished than the ones with the smoothly connected lips. And while it ''could'' theoretically possible that they made the ones on he right first and started a rather boxy redesign before giving up completely halfway through, it just seems less likely from both a practical, economical, and artistic perspective. Anyways, I'm trying not to be rude here, but you are indeed the only person who is actively contesting it, with most others either begrudgingly accepting or not caring. But I'm not trying to peer pressure you here. I'm saying this conversation is pointlessly going in circles and the one thing you've brought up that legitimately made me need to stop and think for a bit was the Rip van Fish resemblance. Much as I did with Lava Piranha, therefore, stopping and waiting for something new to come up is most likely the best course of action for you, because as it stands, this is just needlessly taking time from both of us. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:04, November 12, 2020 (EST) | ||