Talk:Para-Beetle

When you jump on Para-Beetles in NSMB Wii, they play a note. When you complete a scale, you get a 1-up Is that true? Source of info is this video. wow it's Kiryu (^T_C)

Yes. If you jump on eight Parabeetles without touching the ground, you get a 1-up. Mario JC

Merge Para-Beetle and Parabuzzy?

They're very clearly the same creature. I believe we've merged Atomic Boo with The Big Boo and the alternate names for Cheep Cheep and Podoboo throughout the series (some attributed to the RPG's translations), so this shouldn't be an exception. LinkTheLefty 00:28, 18 February 2011 (EST)

The name thing is unfortunate, but unlike the enemies we have merged, I think there are enough differences between these two species to keep them separated. For one thing, Para-Beetles have no legs, unlike Parabuzzies. On top of the looks, the two species also act quite differently: Para-Beetles are harmless flying platforms, pretty much, whereas Parabuzzies are damage-dealing opponents that loose their wings when jumped on. - Walkazo 01:11, 18 February 2011 (EST)

That's true, but remember any enemy can behave differently due to switching from platformer rules to RPG rules. LinkTheLefty 10:48, 18 February 2011 (EST)

Growing legs is not a mere behavioral difference. - Walkazo 14:30, 18 February 2011 (EST)

Super Mario RPG's Piranha Plants? Plus appearances have been changed to suit the RPGs as well, such as the Podoboo variants I mentioned and the Hammer Bros. types from Mario & Luigi. Just saying. LinkTheLefty 15:36, 18 February 2011 (EST)

Other Piranha Plant species have been seen walking around (Ptooie) and jumping out of pots (Jumping Piranha Plant), so their mobility in SMRPG isn't nearly as much a departure as this legs debate, nor are the slight differences between Podoboo depictions: they're always fireballs. Also, those M&L:SS Boomerang Bros. (assuming that's what you're talking about) should be split, like how we split the Paper Mario/PM:TTYD and Super Paper Mario Dark Koopas, since the SPM ones were totally different. - Walkazo 00:17, 19 February 2011 (EST)

True, but only very rarely. It's not like we're listing the SMRPG plant on the Ptooie page, though. And the Dark Koopas are split because not only are they clearly different, but it's a mistranslation - the SPM ones should be "Shadow Koopas" like in other languages. But I digress, I guess I can't do anything about the leg argument, though if we're going along those lines then why don't we also separate Koopa Troopa (Bipedal) and Koopa Troopa (Quadripedal) while we're at it for similar reasons? LinkTheLefty 02:19, 21 February 2011 (EST)

Um what? Obviously we wouldn't put the SMRPG plant on the Ptooie article - that's be completely wrong and against policy, and what you said has nothing to do with that we're discussing here anyway: I was just saying that it's not unheard of for plants to run around in the Mario games, and so that difference isn't nearly as significant as the Beetles having or not having legs.

No, that wasn't one of the reasons at all: when Reversinator first suggested splitting the Dark Koopatrol page (leading to the other splits) he didn't say anything about the Japanese name and the quality of the translation. Grandy02 only brought up the different Japanese Koopatrol names as an additional argument when Zero777 said they should be merged during the Dark Koopa TPP (which occurred after the Koopatrol and Paratroopa pages were already split), but again, he didn't try and assert anything about there being a mistranslation (he just pointed out that the names are different in other localizations).

We can't separate them because Nintendo has explicitly stated that they are the same thing: in the Super Smash Bros. Brawl trophy it states "Koopas formerly traveled on four legs, but they've recently been spotted strolling on two." - so it's just a behavioural change, not a speciation thing (and you already implied that things behaving differently is perfectly acceptable). Most of the time, Nintendo doesn't bother addressing changes in species that arise over time and between genres, but they did here, so this is pretty significant. Personally, I feel there are four-legged Koopa species, and two-legged Koopa species, but that the early games' quadrupeds have been retconned (I chalk it up to stylistic changes), but that's just me making fan theories and probably reading too much into things, which is why I don't put that thinking in the articles or whatever. This Buzzy Beetle discussion, on the other hand, is not splitting hairs or needlessly speculating and complicating things: you said so yourself that the leg thing can't be ignored, and even if that wasn't enough reason to split them (although it should be), the fact that they have different names seals the deal. Usually in these circumstances, we have to go to the Japanese (such as the SMS King Boo thing), but this time, the English version happens to be the more specific name: both are official and correct in a way (everything official is canon, after all), but the question is which is more correct, and so, which should we go by? I think it is clear that this time, the translators were correct to give Parabuzzies a different name from their legless forbears, and to not retcon that when they brought the Para-Beetls back in NSMB Wii. - Walkazo 14:21, 22 February 2011 (EST)