MarioWiki:Proposals

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Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done.
  • Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!"
  • "Vote" periods last for one week.
  • All past proposals are archived.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To

  1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and Writing Guideline proposals must include a link to the draft page.
  2. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for Writing Guidelines and Talk Page Proposals, which run for two weeks. (All times GMT.)
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
  3. Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. Agreeing with or seconding a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted.
  4. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
  5. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote.
  6. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
  7. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  8. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
  9. If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
  10. Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
  11. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  12. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that cancelled proposals must also be archived.
  13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
  14. There should not be proposals about creating articles on an underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
  15. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
  16. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

Basic Proposal and Support/Oppose Format

This is an example of what your proposal should look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]".

===[insert a title for your Proposal here]===
[describe what issue this Proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the Wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created, at 23:59 GMT.]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

Users will now be able to vote on your Proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own Proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's Proposal. If you are voting on your own Proposal, you can just say "Per my Proposal".

Talk Page Proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled Talk Page Proposals, see here.

How To

  1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom). All pages affected must be mentioned in the brief description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "(Template:Fakelink)". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use {{fakelink}} to communicate its title. The Deadline must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the heading.
  2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
  3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one. (All times GMT.)
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. Talk page proposals may be closed by the proposer at any time if both the support and the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
  5. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.

List of Talk Page Proposals

Writing Guidelines

MLA Format

All articles should be written with the most updated version of MLA Format. This will help in the eternal preservation of always citing your sources.

Proposer:Plumber (talk)
Deadline: July 23, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Plumber (talk)For clarity
  2. Superfiremario (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose

  1. Walkazo (talk) - Regulating our reference formatting is a good idea, but I feel like it would be better to go about this by drafting a policy page with our own structure (based on MLA, but tailored to our specific needs) and then making a proposal. A vague, one-sentence statement (with a one-sentence justification) is far to little to go on, especially when hundreds of pages will be effected by the unspecified changes.
  2. Zero777 (talk) Per Walkazo
  3. Mariomario64 (talk) – MLA format shouldn't be directly used on a website like this, in my opinion. Also, per Walkazo.
  4. Mario4Ever (talk) Per Walkazo.
  5. Rise Up Above It (talk) Walkazo has a good idea.
  6. Mariomaster228 (talk) Per Walkazo.
  7. Xzelion (talk) – Per Walkazo.
  8. Supremo78 (talk) Like MM64 said, it doesn't need to be directly used. Per Walkazo too.
  9. MeritC (talk) Per all; and besides, the citing sources on this wiki is strict enough (and if I'm not mistaken, strictly enforced as well, especially on game articles in which the game in question is still under development stages.
  10. Super Mario Bros. (talk) – Reconsidering this, I must agree with the opposition.
  11. Shadow34 (talk) – Per all, especially Walkazo and MeritC.
  12. Reddragon19k (talk) Per everyone!

Debate

What is MLA? Xzelion (talk)

Modern Language Association. Phoenix (talk)
See here, Xzelion. Mario4Ever (talk)
Okay, that is seriously freaky, I was just gonna link to that... :O Phoenix (talk)

Won't this be a massive overhaul of practically every single article on the wiki? Dr Javelin (talk)

I CAN READ YOUR MIND, PHOENIX! I've never found a better source on MLA, so I figured that if I didn't link to it, someone inevitably would. @Dr Javelin: That depends on what exactly needs changing. On that note, Plumber, would you mind clarifying exactly what you propose to do? Mario4Ever (talk)
@Mario4Ever - Yeah, my last two college English teachers practically forced us to use that when typing our assignments, so, needless to say, that was the first thing that popped into my head... Phoenix (talk)

It won't be a massive overhaul of the article on the wiki besides making source clarifications more useful. Wikis adhere to a rough version of MLA anyhow. The effects of this proposal are to be minor. Plumber (talk)

How minor? Xzelion (talk)
Basically this only changes citations and maybe quotations (like where the periods go and stuff, not the actual templates). Also standardizes the English to American English, but that's already done on the wiki as a whole. Plumber (talk) 01:29, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
Standardizing the English doesn't make sense if the article is already written in British English (or vice-versa). As this is an international wiki, both variations are allowed, and changing one to the other is actually a warnable offense. It sort of operates on a first-come, first-served basis. Mario4Ever (talk)

I agree with Mario4Ever. We made a proposal to stablish that British English can be used here. Coincollector (talk)

Well MLA includes Canada, so I suppose we could grandfather Britain into it. But that's distracting from the main point, which is primarily that of quotation and citation, which so desperately need essential reforms. Plumber (talk)

May you please elaborate on that, because I'm still not sure what you trying to do. Zero777 (talk)

I don't really understand what is going to happen. Could you show us some examples? LeftyGreenMario (talk)
Hello Plumber, are you there? May you please answer our questions? Zero777 (talk)

Just Google MLA Standards sonny ;) Plumber (talk) 01:25, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

All that does is inform people what MLA is; it does nothing to explain exactly what you plan to do according to its standards (there's quite a lot of info, as you can see when clicking on the above link of mine). Mario4Ever (talk)

New Features

Cover Mario Knockoffs

The Super Mario Wiki is a place where everything Mario should be covered. I have checked and we have done well. However, we have only covered the licensed things (as far as I know). The unlicensed things have not been touched. I am talking about knockoff games. Games like Mobario, the mobile "Mario" game for phones and the Great Giana Sisters, the peculiar platform game about two punk girls named Giana and Maria. Since we are the Mario wiki, we should cover everything Mario, licensed or not.

Proposer: Magikrazy51 (talk)
Deadline: July 25, 2011, 23:59 GMT.

Support

  1. Toadbert101 (talk) I really dont see what the harm in giving them a short paragraph or so on a page called "Mario knock offs" or something would do. And quite honestly, why are people in oppose so angry? Really, its not going to harm anything. Its getting more information on mario-related things that exists out there for the MARIO DATABASE here.

Oppose

  1. Goomba's Shoe15 (talk) no we shouldnt cover anything that wasnt made, licensed, or published by nintendo cause those things are not official also there was a proposal about this exact thing right here [1] and it failed miserably so per the arguments in that proposal as well. Also if we cover unlicensed games why not cover flash videos cause they were also based on the mario series.
  2. Walkazo (talk) - Including any fanon would undermine our goal of providing our readers with a complete, factual account of the Mario series (including its equally official spin-offs and crossovers, and the people and organizations who have made all of that possible). If it's not authorized by Nintendo, we're not writing about it. End of story.
  3. Supremo78 (talk) - Like the two above me said, we only talk about the officially licensed games such as the Banjo series spinned off by Rare. Series that are "knockoffs" we don't cover. If we added them, we really wouldn't be a wiki anymore.
  4. MrConcreteDonkey (talk) - Per all.
  5. MeritC (talk) - No, no, no, no, no, and a million times NO. I don't get upset like this, but this is the Super Mario Wiki for a reason. Knockoffs would ruin the main puropse of why this place is here. So, I say this once again -- NO. And of course, per what the others above me said.
  6. Xzelion (talk) – Per all.
  7. Mario4Ever (talk) No chance in the Underwhere. Per all.
  8. Magikrazy51 (talk) Per all, I was on a serious ice cream sugar rush when I thought up this. Plus it was 2:00 in the morning and I was very tired.
  9. Zero777 (talk) Really? Is this real! How can I say this without being offensive or politically incorrect....... I can't... this is just plain idiotic. Really, just delete this, this will cause chaos. THIS IS MADNESS!! Policy state specifically against this sort of action, so this can be considered unconstitutional.
  10. Shadow34 (talk) – NonononoNO. This isn't the Mario Fanon Wiki, it's for OFFICIAL, CANON, and LICENSED material.
  11. Glowsquid (talk) - Per my comment below.
  12. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk) Per my opinion on the link Goomba's Shoe gave. Besides, this is so broad, that even if I made a cruddy game, it would have to be covered. There's millions of fan games based on Mario out there, and it would be pointless to cover them all. This is for official stuff only. Cover fan made stuff and etcetera in other wikis. This isn't the place to do it.
  13. Reddragon19k (talk) - Although this is indeed a bad idea to propose this but this is a... PER EVERYONE!!!
  14. Rise Up Above It (talk) No. Thirty-six times no. There are too many random, crappy and/or obscure fanon games lurking around. This is definitely a proposal that is very untenable. But what about the possibility of adding sections for fan-made products like the stuff found on Etsy under the Merchandise page? Nah, that'll get shot down with just as much vigour as this proposal.

Comments

@Magikrazy51: The first three days of a proposal, you can change things to it. Along with that, you can delete your proposal. If you don't like this proposal, you can delete it. Baby Mario Bloops (talk)

Why do so many people oppose this when we have this page? - Mas0n 17:38, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

Those are references to legitimate characters and games, which is different from, say, Super Mario Bros. Z, which uses a hodge-podge of Nintendo and Sega sprites to create an unofficial series. Mario4Ever (talk)
This proposal would likely be doing better if it was written better.WHY IS TOADBERT LEAVING A COMMENT|Lol Toadbert101

One thing I don't understand is why one opposer is being disrespectful to Magikrazy. You shouldn't be mean to a user just because he has an idea that he thought should be added. Supremo78 (talk)

Something else ive noticed is that most of the opposer's reasons for opposing are all terrible and make no sense.toadbert
@Supremo78:If you mean Zero, his criticism is not an ad hominem attack; he just disapproves of the proposal. @Toadbert101: How is saying we only cover Nintendo-licensed content a terrible and nonsensical reason, for that is more or less what everyone is saying thus far. Mario4Ever (talk)

Actually all of them have the same theme; we don't cover unlicensed games. Other than that, it's a "per all". Supremo78 (talk)

Covering bootlegs and ripoffs would either result in 1: a truckload of short articles about crappy Famicom hacks with names like Hyper Mario 3D Blast Z 2 clogging up the wiki or 2: an unholy huge list that nobody would actually read (there a lot of these things). Listing the mind-bending products of Chinese bootleggers is "fun" and "informative" in the same way listing vague storytelling patterns without analysis or context is "fun", but at the end, it's not really useful and after a certain limit, it's just repetitive noise. And that's not getting into fanworks, oooooh boy.

That being said, some of the oppose reasons are really petulant. /seriously/. --Glowsquid 18:11, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

@Toadbert101: You shouldn't be supporting this proposal then. Your suggesting something else that could far-fetch out shot maybe, probably not possible, but this proposal has a different idea and outcome. Zero777 (talk)

Hotel Mario. Nuff said. SWFlash (talk)

Philips was given the rights to use Mario for that game. It doesn't qualify as a Mario knockoff, if that's what you're implying. Mario4Ever (talk)
Yeah Hotel Mario is an official game that was created with the permission of Nintendo Goomba's Shoe15 (talk)

Change the Gallery pages' names from "Gallery:(page name)" to "(page name)/Gallery"

The Gallery pages will look better if are labeled as the glitches, beta elements and staff ones. They look different by their names.

Proposer: Goomblob (talk)
Deadline: July 28, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

Oppose

  1. Cleanup Guy (talk) Gallery is a different type of mainspace.
  2. DKPetey99 (talk) Gallery is its own section, like categories. We can't just rename them like that.
  3. Tails777 (talk) Per DKPetey. The name is good the way it is.
  4. YoshiGo99 (talk) Fantendo does it but we aren't Fantendo.
  5. Reddragon19k (talk) If I consider this proposal to fail, then it should be a per all so, there!

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