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== [[Toad Balloon]] ==
== [[Toad Balloon]] ==


I changed the name back to capitalized form because it is a proper noun. --[[File:Big Face.png]] [[User:Unshy Guy|Unshy]] [[User talk:Unshy Guy|Guy]] 21:12, April 3, 2019 (EDT)
I changed the name back to capitalized form because it is a proper noun. --[[File:DDP Big Face Sprite.png]] [[User:Unshy Guy|Unshy]] [[User talk:Unshy Guy|Guy]] 21:12, April 3, 2019 (EDT)


== Gravity wall ==
== Gravity wall ==
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::Well he'll know about the JP names better than I will. Besides, I still need to figure out the situation with the little Gohmas between OoT, OoS, and TP. And I'm ensuring that it ''won't'' be a "clone" of the other one. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:09, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
::Well he'll know about the JP names better than I will. Besides, I still need to figure out the situation with the little Gohmas between OoT, OoS, and TP. And I'm ensuring that it ''won't'' be a "clone" of the other one. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:09, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
:::Yeah i didnt want it to be a clone wiki or something. i'm just using that phrase because i assume many already think that, since it's like the 4th-5th zelda wiki. i dont want to constantly send new messages on someones talk page and annoy them--i just saying him & others here probably think it's a clone wiki (because of the gamepedia zelda wiki). I do think Gohma (boss) is a possible article title for the Queen Gohma in OoT [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 00:15, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
:::Yeah i didnt want it to be a clone wiki or something. i'm just using that phrase because i assume many already think that, since it's like the 4th-5th zelda wiki. i dont want to constantly send new messages on someones talk page and annoy them--i just saying him & others here probably think it's a clone wiki (because of the gamepedia zelda wiki). I do think Gohma (boss) is a possible article title for the Queen Gohma in OoT [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 00:15, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
::::Okay, well i just didnt want to tell you about it if you werent interested (seeing as i told you about 1-2 weeks ago), and I thought i involuntarily dragged you into something. It's definitely ambitious to build up a zelda wiki from scratch (especially with alternatives), so there's also that. It's kind of a controversial decision on my end to start a "clone wiki", but something in me felt it had to be done [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 00:34, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
::::Okay, well i just didnt want to tell you about it if you werent interested (seeing as i told you about 1-2 weeks ago), and I thought i involuntarily dragged you into something. It's definitely ambitious to build up a zelda wiki from scratch (especially with alternatives), so there's also that. It's kind of a controversial decision on my end to start a "clone wiki", but something in me felt it had to be done [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 00:34, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
:::::Thanks for letting me know--I didnt mean to sound condescending (if i came across that way). Like I said, Triforce Wiki is the hardest wiki task I've ever taken on, especially with like 3 other main wikis. It wouldnt surprise me if some didnt see the point or were uninterested [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 00:48, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
:::::Thanks for letting me know--I didnt mean to sound condescending (if i came across that way). Like I said, Triforce Wiki is the hardest wiki task I've ever taken on, especially with like 3 other main wikis. It wouldnt surprise me if some didnt see the point or were uninterested [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 00:48, May 12, 2019 (EDT)


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== Crows, flames, and piscatory punks ==
== Crows, flames, and piscatory punks ==


So regarding what you were wanting to do with Nitpicker and Kuro, (as well as the vague plans for Fire) isn't that fairly similar situation to Cheep Cheep and "Piscatory Pete?" Actually, CC and PP seem more clear-cut, since unlike th crow, the "underwater ''Pukupuku'' for ''Yoshi's Island''" got ''less'' distinct as time went on. I'd say leave Kuro alone, since the later appearance is where they deviated in name, more akin to the bouncy Bill in JP. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 03:14, December 29, 2019 (EST)
So regarding what you were wanting to do with Nitpicker and Kuro, (as well as the vague plans for Fire) isn't that fairly similar situation to Cheep Cheep and "Piscatory Pete?" Actually, CC and PP seem more clear-cut, since unlike th crow, the "underwater ''Pukupuku'' for ''Yoshi's Island''" got ''less'' distinct as time went on. I'd say leave Kuro alone, since the later appearance is where they deviated in name, more akin to the bouncy Bill in JP. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 03:14, December 29, 2019 (EST)
:If memory serves, it's the only enemy to appear both underwater and not-quite-underwater, so a separate section for underwater makes sense. I mainly bring this up due to the amount of type splits the fellow SNES ''Kamigami no Triforce'' guide had for its enemy types. Anyways, on the subject of Spark and Zelda, should we consider the ''Zelda'' Sparks the same as the ''Mario'' Sparks, since they have the same name and behavior? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:47, December 29, 2019 (EST)
:If memory serves, it's the only enemy to appear both underwater and not-quite-underwater, so a separate section for underwater makes sense. I mainly bring this up due to the amount of type splits the fellow SNES ''Kamigami no Triforce'' guide had for its enemy types. Anyways, on the subject of Spark and Zelda, should we consider the ''Zelda'' Sparks the same as the ''Mario'' Sparks, since they have the same name and behavior? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:47, December 29, 2019 (EST)


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:::As for the possibility of splitting Cleft, I was thinking maybe have that as one option, another option to re-merge Pale Piranha back to Piranha Plant, and the obligatory "do nothing" option, due to the fact that since last time they've been split, we've had the SSBU rant not mention them specifically in any language... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:19, March 13, 2020 (EDT)
:::As for the possibility of splitting Cleft, I was thinking maybe have that as one option, another option to re-merge Pale Piranha back to Piranha Plant, and the obligatory "do nothing" option, due to the fact that since last time they've been split, we've had the SSBU rant not mention them specifically in any language... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:19, March 13, 2020 (EDT)
::::None whatsoever. Another more apropos example is Dark Puff with Ruff Puff, though admittedly both of these enemies have the excuse of being late-game in the predecessor. Not sure if we should push the Frost Piranha issue just yet, but it's probably more viable than Lava Piranha or Petit Piranha, despite the enemies they're based however loosely off coming before, and [[Spear Guy|other "combination" enemies]] existing. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:12, March 13, 2020 (EDT)
::::None whatsoever. Another more apropos example is Dark Puff with Ruff Puff, though admittedly both of these enemies have the excuse of being late-game in the predecessor. Not sure if we should push the Frost Piranha issue just yet, but it's probably more viable than Lava Piranha or Petit Piranha, despite the enemies they're based however loosely off coming before, and [[Spear Guy|other "combination" enemies]] existing. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:12, March 13, 2020 (EDT)
:::::Half of me wonders if that might somehow relate to Vanna T...anyways, if the PM64 file names (if any) are ever found, that may help if we try to revisit Fresh Juice. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:53, March 13, 2020 (EDT)
::::::Son of a boulder, this had an inconsistent quality of localization too? There's so many things we could do about this. We could wholly merge Cleft to Moon Cleft while splitting Boggly Cleft, we could merge Cleft with SPM Moon Cleft, though then we'd have to decide which name to use...either way, WTF localizers? It's on a rocky mountain like the original, not the moon! If it were on Blobule this would have at least made sense. I played SPM before TTYD, so its name baffled me before I knew of the TTYD context. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:05, March 14, 2020 (EDT)
:::::::Gonna chime in to say I'd support merging the SPM Moon Cleft, at least. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 20:46, March 14, 2020 (EDT)
Anyways, in light of the Cleft situation, we should probably make a Cleft proposal ''first'' and promise a follow-up proposal on Pale Piranha if it reaches certain results. The options I'd have are 1:Merge SPM Moon Cleft into Cleft, keeping the "Cleft" name (which itself is implied in SPM by Dark Cleft), 2: Doing the same thing but calling the result "Moon Cleft" with some identifier (with the actual Moon Cleft getting a TTYD identifier), 3: Merge Moon Cleft into Cleft outright and split "Boggly Woods" Cleft (this is from a design and file perspective), and 4: Do nothing. All except 3 winning would prompt a Pale Piranha proposal. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:18, March 15, 2020 (EDT)
:Before you do anything, remember that outside of Boggly Woods situation, we also have TTYD Spike Top and Red Spike Top. That makes three enemies (if I've counted right) from previous games given a new appearance in TTYD while the base appearance is used for a new enemy. Since this seems like a unique phenomenon to TTYD, I'd support option 1 for Cleft handling. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 03:32, March 16, 2020 (EDT)
== Pink Fuzzy ==
About the localizations considering Flower Fuzzy/Pink Fuzzy to be the same thing, I wouldn't jump to conclusions about that just yet. I haven't gotten a chance to verify which foreign names are from TTYD and which are from SPM (except the Japanese and German ones, which were already marked), which is something I'll work on soon. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 08:59, March 14, 2020 (EDT)
:I'll look into that. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 20:48, March 14, 2020 (EDT)
Update: The [https://youtu.be/j8dKb5VwxkQ?t=1843 NOE French] version of SPM uses "Cleftlunair" (i.e. Moon Cleft). {{User:Niiue/sig}} 22:51, March 16, 2020 (EDT)
Goombella's Tattle in the Japanese version:
<blockquote>『ツキノシンエモン』よ<br>
<span class="explain" title="つき">月</span>に　すみついている　シネモンね<br>
さいだいHPは『6』で<br>
こうげき<span class="explain" title="りょく">力</span>は『5』 ぼうぎょ<span class="explain" title="りょく">力</span>は『5』よ<br>
あいかわらず　ぼうぎょ<span class="explain" title="りょく">力</span>が　たかいわね<br>
しかも　ほのおの　こうげきは　コイツには<br>
きかないわ<br>
でも　バクハツで　ひっくりかえすと<br>
ぼうきょ<span class="explain" title="りょく">力</span>が『0』に　なるから<br>
そこが　ねらいめよ</blockquote>
I'm not exactly fluent enough to read all of this, but it looks like it says something similar to the "basic Cleft living on the Moon" line, if I'm understanding this right. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 07:38, March 17, 2020 (EDT)
And here's the Italian version:
<blockquote>È un Teschiolito lunare!<br>
È un Teschiolito<br>
che vive sulla luna.<br>
I suoi PV massimi sono 6,<br>
la potenza è 5, la difesa è 5.<br>
Come i suoi simili, è forte<br>
in difesa ed è insensibile<br>
al fuoco.<br>
Se lo rovesci con una<br>
esplosione, la difesa<br>
scende a 0!</blockquote>
And just like the Japanese and English versions, it also seems to allude to the Moon Cleft being a regular Cleft on the Moon. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 08:07, March 17, 2020 (EDT)
European Spanish version:
<blockquote>Es un Cleft Lunar...<br>
Vaya, también hay de<br>
estos en la Luna...<br>
PC Máximos: 6<br>
Poder de ataque: 5<br>
Poder de defensa: 5<br>
Su poder de defensa es<br>
considerable... Y, además,
son inmunes al fuego.</blockquote>
European French version:
<blockquote>C'est un Cleftlunair.<br>
Un Cleft qui vit sur<br>
la Lune.<br>
PC Max: 6, Puissance: 5,<br>
Défense: 5.<br>
Toujours aussi tête<br>
de pioche.<br>
Et il est invulnérable au feu.<br>
Mais si tu le retournes avec<br>
une explosion, sa défense<br>
tombe à 0.</blockquote>
German version:
<blockquote>Das ist ein Mond-Kirk.<br>
Mond-Kirks sind... Eben Kirks,<br>
die auf dem Mond leben!<br>
Max KP: 6, Angriffskraft: 5,<br>
Verteidigung: 5<br>
Die haben ja auch so eine<br>
gute Verteidigung! Und<br>
Feur-Attacken wirken nicht.<br>
Aber ihre Verteidigung sinkt<br>
auf 0, wenn du sie mit Bom-<br>
ben umkippst.</blockquote>
Might be able to find some more languages after I get some sleep. If there's anything else you want me to check, let me know. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 09:11, March 17, 2020 (EDT)
Alright, here's the Pale Piranha stuff.
Japanese:
<blockquote>『パックンフラワー』よ<br>
まいど　おなじみの　デンジャラスな<br>
かみつき<span class="explain" title="はな">花</span>ね<br>
<span class="explain" title="いろ">色</span>は　ふしぎの<span class="explain" title="もり">森</span>に　できおうして<br>
モノクロに　なったみたい<br>
せいめいの　ふしぎを　かんじるわ！<br>
さいだいHPは『4』で<br>
こうげき<span class="explain" title="りょく">力</span>は『2』 ぼうぎょ<span class="explain" title="りょく">力</span>は『0』よ<br>
ジャンプで　ふみつはようと　すると<br>
かみつかれるから　ちゅういしてね</blockquote>
European Spanish:
<blockquote>Es una Planta Piraña Gris.<br>
La misma flor peligrosa<br>
de siempre...<br>
Parece que ha modificado su<br>
coloración para camuflarse<br>
en el Bosque Maravilloso...<br>
PC Máximos: 4<br>
Poder de ataque: 2<br>
Poder de defensa: 0<br>
Ni se te ocurra saltar sobre<br>
ellas, porque te morderán<br>
y te harán daño.</blockquote>
European French:
<blockquote>C'est une Plante piranha.<br>
Une vieille connaissance<br>
aux crocs acérés.<br>
Elle s'est adaptée au<br>
monochrome des Bois insolites.<br>
C'est bizarre la nature!<br>
PC Max: 4, Puissance: 2,<br>
Défense: 0.<br>
Si tu sautes dessus,<br>
tu vas te faire mordre!</blockquote>
German:
<blockquote>Das ist eine Piranha-Pflanze,<br>
eine Fleisch fressende Pflan-<br>
ze, die du gut kennst, oder?<br>
Ihre Farbe hat sie wohl<br>
der Umgebung angepasst...<br>
Ein Wunder der Natur!<br>
Max KP: 4, Angriffskraft: 2,<br>
Verteidigung: 0<br>
Wenn du auf diese Pflanzen<br>
springst, beißen sie zu. Ver-<br>
meide also Sprungattacken.</blockquote>
Italian:
<blockquote>È una Pianta Piranha!<br>
È il solito vecchio fiore<br>
che morde!<br>
Per mimetizzarsi nel bosco<br>
è diventata monocroma.<br>
La natura è davvero strana!<br>
I suoi PV massimi sono 4,<br>
la potenza è 2, la difesa è 0.<br>
Se pensi di saltarle sopra<br>
stai attento: può mordere!</blockquote>
{{User:Niiue/sig}} 19:08, March 17, 2020 (EDT)
:OK, so aside from English and E.Spanish, this is simply called Piranha Plant, and E. Spanish still uses the "the same thing as usual, with color adaptation to the forest" explanation, meaning the "subspecies" bullcrap is unique to the English localization. And the log description itself is more akin to the "the same thing as usual, with color adaptation to the forest" explanation, meaning this is just English Goombella spitballing. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:12, March 17, 2020 (EDT)
== Cataquaziness ==
I know you're in the middle of SMA4 guide stuff right now, but when you have time, could you look at [[Talk:Cataquack|this]]? (I wish there was a quicker platform to alert these things on...) [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:34, March 24, 2020 (EDT)
== Mushroom Houses ==
Since "[color] Mushroom/Toad House" is official terminology for the generic establishment, should "World-e" be used as an identifier? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:10, March 24, 2020 (EDT)
:So was that thing you added to the Coin page the same thing that appears sometimes in SMA2? I recall something like that appearing in the hidden coin area in Donut Plains 1....Also unlike Bramball, Cataquack has the JP name going for it. There's also my question over whether the one English guide was really using "Chuhana" to refer to red Cataquacks, as that's Plungelo's JP name. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:43, March 24, 2020 (EDT)
::The Mushroom Coin is indeed the same object from SMA2. Glad to finally see a name for it. As for the Cataplunge....I'll admit the first time I watched a walkthrough of SMS via blurry YT video many years ago, I didn't realize they were different either XD [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:30, March 24, 2020 (EDT)
== Oi ==
Quick thanks for dealing with the Wario Land articles. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 11:46, April 4, 2020 (EDT)
== Beetle Goom ==
The ones in said fight wear Buzzy shell-like helmets, so there's that to consider.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:13, April 5, 2020 (EDT)
:Thing is, it ''looks'' more like a salamander than a beaver, and the website also compares the tadpoles to Elmo. The "beaver" thing was more likely because beavers are a well-known thing to the West, and while salamanders aren't exactly obscure, giant hellbender-type ones aren't in every pond or rotting log in temperate climates. As for Toge, <small>I'm always too distracted by how much its stunned pose looks like a Chain Chomp, but</small> I don't really think that "beetle" is what they were going for. More like a living burr since they're kinda near a forested/grassy area? As for Punch, pretty much, inconsistent hurt-you hitbox aside. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:30, April 5, 2020 (EDT)
== Regarding Brier and Marucchi ==
Should we consider those derivatives/variants of [[Urchin]]s since in the ''Balloon Trip'' demo that spawned YT&G, they were literally just floating Urchins that looked just like the SMW art? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:14, April 8, 2020 (EDT)
== Sniff ==
Do you know if ''Yoshi's Story'' refers to the "sniff" ability as a noun? The manual doesn't appear to call it a noun unless it has "-ing" at the end in some cases. [[User:Dwhitney|Dwhitney]] ([[User talk:Dwhitney|talk]]) 17:06, April 14, 2020 (EDT)
:I mean, it is a verb, it's just that "Sniff-Sniffing" looks awkward since the manual translated the Japanese word too literally. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:35, April 14, 2020 (EDT)
:: "Sniff-Sniffing" might look awkward, but to me, so does "the sniff." If you mean for "sniff" to be a verb on the [[Sniff]] page, then wouldn't it be beneficial to say "Sniffing is"? [[User:Dwhitney|Dwhitney]] ([[User talk:Dwhitney|talk]]) 01:09, April 15, 2020 (EDT)
:::It is a move though. Most all of the move articles are formatted that way. That said, it seems there is one instance of "Sniff-Sniffing" (and "sniffing") on page 21 of the manual. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:41, April 15, 2020 (EDT)
== Fry Guy ==
So, it has an alternate form after you hit him 3 times, which i want merged, and i have been waiting for someone to respond for over a year now. Could --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 08:30, April 15, 2020 (EDT)
== Re:Monkeys and Donkeys ==
Yeah, I knew about that (and while that's a possibility, it seems rather small as far as the game's bosses go, though I suppose if the arena were 25m-shaped, it'd be a non-issue...I'd assumed it was just a big enemy). Anyways, I knew about "Monkey Slide" (as it was in use back when it was allegedly its own course) but not Donkey Slide. Personally, though, I think there's a ''decent'' chance they were intended as different, and trying to connect an odd name for a location with something unused in a previous game isn't too convincing to me. Personally, I think it's more likely the DK reference would stem from the rolling Big Steelies acting like barrels, though on that note, perhaps a DK-like enemy and/or boss was intended for TTM in place of those? Maybe this needs more consideration.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:14, April 16, 2020 (EDT)
== Update ==
Hi LTL, it's been a while, how are things? Just letting you know that I made a page on Marin. I also noticed you did research for Starfox and Kirby on Wikia -- do I have your permission to <s>steal</s> borrow the info for the respective NIWA wikis--WiKirby and Lylat Wiki (of course, I will reuse in my own words)? I've helped improve both NIWA wikis significantly. Also, I don't know how much you know about this franchise but me and tacopill (host of WiKirby, Fire Emblem, etc.) decided to undergo a [https://finalfantasywiki.com/wiki/Main_Page Final Fantasy Wiki] project, and I'm trying to work out a Mario Wiki-type standard for JRPG wikis (admittedly I don't like JRPGs that much). The fun part is that I'm trying something completely new here and branching out from my usual editing on platformer-based wikis. It's kind of like the old days, when people were figuring out how wikis work. :) [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 13:01, April 16, 2020 (EDT)
:Also I can't stress and thank you enough for your name hierarchy. It has been an extremely huge inspiration for me. I've been trying to apply it on at least 10 different wikis (several of which I created) and try to evolve with that to see how it would play out on wikis of different subjects (like Banjo-Kazooie, Star Fox, even SpongeBob...). Currently, it's Final Fantasy (for example: [https://finalfantasywiki.com/wiki/Chocobo_Farm Chocobo Farm]). [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 13:14, April 16, 2020 (EDT)
::Yeah we can do that -- make Essence the 300th article. Also, what does a "purist" take on the wiki mean, as admittedly I am new to Final Fantasy (only having played the first on GBA and the 7th one). [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 14:40, April 16, 2020 (EDT)
:::I had no idea there was demand for a new Final Fantasy Wiki for this long. I'd be totally up for if you and others decide to join Final Fantasy Wiki, and it would be greatly appreciated (you don't need my permission i'm just a representative & editor who suggested for the wiki's creation since SEIWA doesn't have Final Fantasy & I wanted to try out a square series for fun & to try and make as platformer-friendly as possible :P. tacopill is the real person in charge, and the wiki is open for edited). The Wikia feels confusing and difficult to navigate & they put etymology on several articles, even when it's not needed. For example etymology on Chocobo is on the Chocobo Racing article. Similarly, they also split pages (like jobs) into gallery pages. So to have (mostly) completed this nav template felt very satisfying: https://finalfantasywiki.com/wiki/Template:FF1 . I used the Nintendo Power guide & strategywiki for some help to get an idea on how to do the nav template, and it finally paid off. As for replacing old with newer images, I have seen this happen with Hyrule Warriors (Wii U) images being deleted in favor for Switch ones, or Mario Kart 8 (Wii U) with MK8 Deluxe on this wiki. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 19:52, April 16, 2020 (EDT)
::::Here's my attempt on a page about [https://finalfantasywiki.com/wiki/Castle_Cornelia Castle Cornelia]. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 16:12, April 26, 2020 (EDT)
:::::I added the info on the NPC on the Light of glitches in Final Fantasy page. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 20:40, April 26, 2020 (EDT)
::::::Ah and by the way, tri force turned one today! I'm making an article for today & that helps affirm what the goal is [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 12:26, April 30, 2020 (EDT)
:The article I made to coincide with the anniversary is Sheik. I felt it was a good choice because it reflects the wiki's goal well, especially since the character has a gender/pronoun-related controversy. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 19:28, April 30, 2020 (EDT)
== Cream the Rabbit ==
Actually, if memory serves me right, she was created ''specifically'' for the Sonic X show (to appeal to Japanese viewers since Sonic is treated as kind of a "meh" franchise over there), and then started appearing in games to promote that. Given she was planned for Heroes as far back as their original "King of Fighters"-type team setup idea-spitballing (so far back Shadow was still considered dead-and-off-limits), it's likely the case. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:14, April 20, 2020 (EDT)
*I think she first appeared in ''Sonic Advance 2''. [[User:Weedle McHairybug|Weedle McHairybug]] ([[User talk:Weedle McHairybug|talk]]) 19:35, April 20, 2020 (EDT)
:[http://info.sonicretro.org/Yuji_Naka_interview_by_Sega_Europe_(January_30,_2004) Here] is what I was thinking of; Yuji Naka said he originally created Cream and Cheese for ''Sonic Heroes'', but they wound up appearing in ''Sonic Advance 2'' and ''Sonic X'' first (and ''Sonic Mega Collection'', though it was advertising ''Sonic Advance 2''). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:36, April 20, 2020 (EDT)
::Ah. This woulda been during the phase they wanted a "ladies' team" (again like KoF), and needed a third one I suppose. I recall a tweet about the early phases with the much different cast/team structure.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:40, April 20, 2020 (EDT)
:::Oh, [https://twitter.com/SonicJPNews/status/989898578595405826?s=19 this] is probably what you're thinking of: Cream was still a part of that early roster with Amy and Rouge, but Shadow is missing, Gamma was in place of Omega, and there were more rebooted retro revivals. I wonder how that would've changed the course of the next few games. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:09, April 20, 2020 (EDT)
::::Yah, that's it. Gamma, Big, and Chaos in a "Sonic Adventure" team, a team consisting of what Archie Comics would later have as "Team Hooligan," and Mighty, Ray, and Metal as, I don't know, direct-Sonic-playerclone team? Also makes me wonder what the plot for that would have been, maybe Mecha Sonic instead? Guess that's all water under the bridge regardless.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:14, April 20, 2020 (EDT)
:::::...Team Mecha/Witchcart/Kukku as the villains. <small>In all seriousness, with the ''Sonic'' hacking community the way it is, it's not impossible for a PC mod to return to this idea.</small> [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:38, April 20, 2020 (EDT)
::::::Well, given Team Sonic Racing, SEGA themselves seem to be warming back up to ''Heroes'' (and R!), so....<small>also that would've be awesome XD</small> [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:43, April 20, 2020 (EDT)
== SMRPG things ==
(Leaving the title vague in case I need to talk about an especially large amount during the overhaul)<br>Hey, so are the Japanese translations on the pages Smithy's four bureaucratic subordinates ([[Clerk]], [[Manager]], [[Director]], and [[Factory Chief]]) even remotely accurate? Because I can't find a way to make them translate to that, though given my limited knowledge, I'm probably doing something wrong (and also wonder if they may be transcribed wrong...) 16:06, April 21, 2020 (EDT)
:All right, another thing I'm curious about are the references to Kinklinks in Orb User's psychopath and the Chomp Shell description. Seemed to me Chain Chomps would make more sense there (and honestly Woolsey came off as being a littlee proud of coming up with "Kinklink" to me). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:50, April 26, 2020 (EDT)
== Saw you were working on ''Yoshi's Story'' stuff ==
So you'll probably get to this yourself, but I was wondering what the kanji next to the tiny "normal" Fly Guys {{media link|Yoshi Story Shogakukan P13.jpg|here}} was. Kanji are kinda my Achilles' Heel... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:40, April 29, 2020 (EDT)
== "Never float in midair" ==
The ones spawned by "purple" switches would like to have a word with you. Not to mention the ones on the elevator ride in Hazy Maze Cave. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:39, May 22, 2020 (EDT)
:You didn't address the Hazy Maze Cave ones. And I'm pretty sure I remember instances of constant ones acting as short bridges. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:56, May 22, 2020 (EDT)
::On the contrary, I believe that the original "crate" shouldn't be considered a "true" crate at all in that case. Are you familiar with how Mario Party had the "normal" block/box size consistent with its own Crazed Crate (which being called "Whomp Block" in-game, should be merged there anyway? While Brick is the closest functional counterpart to the original "large" block, the Black Bricks and Ice also share some base properties, and as such, I consider all four SM64 objects to be divergent of the two-sized SM64 blocks. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:03, May 22, 2020 (EDT)
:::I know that it's a naming error, but it's still an in-game name (and it's a block, not a crate). Regardless, I feel "Block (Super Mario 64)" as a singular object should only cover the cork-textured entity. If anything, if we keep the smaller one on crate (which it visually is no more than the larger one is a brick block), we should merge the larger one to Brick Block for consistency and note the cork texture as an attribute that was retroactively removed (outside artwork), like with crate. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:40, May 22, 2020 (EDT)
::::Pardon, the reason I brought it there is this is a wiki with many active members. Additionally, if that is what you say on naming "errors" (when this is more like an SML translation error anyways), what about "[[Fish Bone|Wet Bones]]?" Also yes, source priority does factor into that policy. Regardless, the logical conclusion to what you just said would be to merge to [[Block]] wholesale, since that's for treating the whole of block types. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:04, May 23, 2020 (EDT)
:::::My SML comparison was for Whomp Block XD. Anyways, I still think that if the article's gonna stay, it should cover both sizes, with the "from below" thing for the remake's replacement just being a result of the rough early 3D nature of the game not calling for it; the ! Blocks made for horrible platforms anyways, so it seems they were giving "floating blocks as platforms" a break. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:48, May 23, 2020 (EDT)
==Triforce==
you can still edit Triforce for the time being. I'll keep it to zeldawiki.info for the time being and let you know if ever i change it. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 10:43, June 13, 2020 (EDT)
:I do have some pretty major, long overdue edits planned regarding a certain Dark Horse, so if there is no danger of data loss I'll get to it soon. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:51, June 13, 2020 (EDT)
::There won't be any major data loss. I'm not planning any domain name change for now because it's the main domain registered in my account, and moving it could cause complications with the other wikis (like spongebobwiki.org) because they are subdomains. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 12:19, June 13, 2020 (EDT)
::Basically, you can edit like usual as you were on Triforce Wiki because I scrapped plans to change the domain name (and will let you know if ever I get back to it). [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 13:26, June 14, 2020 (EDT)
== Tilt Lift ==
<del>Hi, do you know of any source regarding ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' that uses the name "[[Tilt Lift]]" anywhere? I'm just wondering because the article, in its current state, is just a blanket "catch-all" for tilt-controlled platforms in the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' sub-series, which I'm fairly certain doesn't warrant an article. That's also on top of the fact that I just created the article [[Remote-Control Platform]] a few hours ago. If you can't find anything, I'm likely going to tag that article for deletion. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 12:10, June 16, 2020 (EDT)</del>
:Never mind, I found the name in the ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' instruction booklet. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 18:13, June 16, 2020 (EDT)
== Screwtop Shroom ==
Hi, I recently created an article on [[Screwtop Shroom|those purple mushroom platforms with screws]] that debut in ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'', though do they have any confirmed names anywhere? Just asking. (P.S.: Feel free to add in Japanese names to <span class="plainlinks">[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?limit=500&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Toadette+the+Achiever&namespace=0&newOnly=1 the other articles I've created]</span> while you have the chance.) {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 12:22, June 25, 2020 (EDT)
== "Limited" raft ==
Hi, another thing: what should we call the wooden rafts in NSMBW/NSMBU that stop when five or more objects are weighing it down? It's called "Limited Lift" on page 242 of the NSMBU Prima guide, but that's the only time they're referred to by that name ("raft" on pages 192 and 193, and "lift" on page 246), and the "Limited Lift" name is applied to something else on page 199 of the same guide. That said, the name of the latter is likewise different everywhere else ("Red-Hot Elevator" on pages 247 and 248). So what do you think? {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 19:02, June 30, 2020 (EDT)
:Thanks. One more thing: which challenges/levels do "Pendulum Platform" and "Turning Floor" appear in? {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 10:56, July 1, 2020 (EDT)
== RE: Casing and identifiers / Screwtop Shroom ==
Yes, like with [[Red Diamond]].
Since "Spin Kinoko Lift" is closer to English and we generally prioritise English over Japanese, I'm fine with this name being used. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 22:50, July 1, 2020 (EDT)
== Remote-Control objects ==
Hi, just one more thing I'd like to ask about, this time concerning just ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'': would you mind finding internal filenames for the remote-control fence in that bonus area in {{world-link|2|tower|World 2-Tower (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)}}, as well as an internal filename for those remote-control track platforms with activation blocks that are the gimmick of [[World 7-4 (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)|World 7-4]]? Thanks! {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 22:23, July 7, 2020 (EDT)
== Filenames ==
Hello, I'm curious whether the filenames that you are currently adding to those stamp images are official (generated by Nintendo themselves in some capacity). In my uploads, I only mention the original filename if this is the case. Also, do the Miiverse directories lead to an official account on that website? {{User:Bye Guy/Sig}} 15:48, July 11, 2020 (EDT)
== RE: Nintendo Power priority ==
Nintendo Power is second on the list above any other guides, so that source takes priority. e.g. If a subject went by an in-game name in an early game, but hasn't been named in-game since, ''but'' was given a different name in a later guide, the in-game name would still take priority. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 00:41, July 16, 2020 (EDT)
:I brought this up in admin chat and we've changed up MW:Naming, hopefully that clears things up. I'll move "paddle wheel" back. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 23:18, July 17, 2020 (EDT)
== Big Buzzy Beetle internal name in Color Splash ==
Going back to Color Splash, I tried to find out the Japanese name for its incarnation of Big Buzzy Beetle but got nothing. Can you check out what's its filename? Also can you cross-reference other Big enemies with their filenames? This is because while most Big enemies use ''deka'', Mega Goomba instead uses ''kyodai'', and I want to see if its filename reflects that. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 05:53, July 21, 2020 (EDT)
== July 2020 updates ==
Hey LTL, been a little while. I thought I'd give you some updates. So you know how I've been saying that you've been an inspiration to me when it comes to naming hierarchy? I think you probably know this but for me personally, I've been trying to have a go at that with more things and wider variety of subjects. This includes Rare's games (Banjo, Ghoulies, Conker, etc.), Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, and more. Me & Mario Wiki users want to see the style unfold everywhere -- it's like magic. 2020 has thus far been an amazing year for wiki editing -- a great escape from the awful riots and chaos happening in the real world.
As said before, Final Fantasy Wiki is my chance to try and accommodate Mario & Kirby fans (e.g. https://finalfantasywiki.com/wiki/Cliffhanger is a lot like a Kirby sub-game, ''Chocobo Tales'' in general); there's some ''Fire Emblem'' fans within the community, and the community in general has been growing overall. I'm the main one who set up the structure (despite this i'm not admin -- i'm just doing this for SEIWA). There are over 200 articles now, several of which are sadly stubs (especially with all the FF installments). Basically, I wanted to see if I can take an RPG series and accommodate for people whose favorite games are platformers, such as myself. I made articles for every Warrior of Light (excluding their upgraded form) lately, and the bestiary navigation -- I've been trying to make it feel like a Pokedex, hopefully to attract Pokemon fans. There's untapped potential with the franchise to interest a wider audience, especially the Chocobo games, ''Mario'' crossover in Hoops/Sports Mix, and so forth. I think platformer fans trying an independent Final Fantasy Wiki is probably a first in the world of wikis. It can be fun to experiment with different style than what you're used to.
So I generally find a home in the smaller gaming franchise wikis. With help from Scrooge200, leading a few other wiki projects, the style has expanded to television shows and even children's books. I co-founded a SpongeBob Wiki, which has nearly 300 articles already from 4 months of work of others who are from the FANDOM wiki. My vision for SpongeBob Wiki is to do how Mario handles game & TV appearances, but the priorities switch. People usually associate ''Mario'' with being a gaming franchise, yet it's got merchandise, a television show, and manga. SpongeBob is a television show to have perhaps the most video games, and it's Nickelodeon's flagship. ''Battle for Bikini Bottom'' has quite a following. You can see that I put [https://spongebobwiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Licenses television-screenshot] as the first license.
There's also an independent [https://arthurwiki.com/ Arthur Wiki] run by Scrooge200 (I helped him get the community's permission to fork it from FANDOM). That one is more complicated because it started as a book series, it still is, but people see it equally as much as a television show. There's yet to be a franchise page to explain this intricacy. Scrooge also runs a Diary of a Wimpy Kid wiki, which was also forked from Fandom. It's a case where it's a children's book series that has had a few movies and some flash games. The creator of Wimpy Kid also created Poptropica, a popular flash game for younger people (I last played it in 2009, in elementary school).
Scrooge has a friend who was helped off Fandom too and now runs a [https://hanna-barberawiki.com/wiki/Main_Page Hanna-Barbera Wiki]. It's not Mario Wiki style, but I have pitched in some support. I have made some templates, for example the [https://hanna-barberawiki.com/wiki/China_Challenge episode template]. It's deliberately meant to resemble the infoboxes used on Wikipedia back in 2005 or infoboxes that were formerly used on [https://pokemon.fandom.com/wiki/Venusaur?oldid=4925 Pokémon FANDOM]. This reflects the old-school nature of cartoons. This is one example showing how I often like to take forgotten concepts, templates, and so forth and redistribute as I see fit.
So yeah, originally I only wanted to do this talent for Rare wikis, but somehow, wikis have made me open to more things. ''Star Fox Adventures'', which was made by Rare, was one of the main reasons I was interested in making Triforce Wiki actually. My friends are glad that I expanded beyond Rare and used the "Rareware talent" on various wikis. I'm honestly glad that I left NIWA in general, because it felt kind of restrictive of my creative freedom (mainly because of the existence of Triforce). I am seriously considering starting an alliance to keep track of wikis run by the Mario Wiki community (aside from Mario/Kirby, which are within NIWA)) to unite them as a network. It will be nothing more than a link exchange & will have actual affiliates (although Mario and WiKirby are already close) rather than forced linking to other wikis. I don't know of any core Mario Wiki member who, for example, supports Zelda Gamepedia or StrategyWiki. This just shows that NIWA is an organization that operates too much like a government body, making it dishonest of which websites are actual affiliates and which are not. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 13:54, July 21, 2020 (EDT)
:Good point -- the idea of a new alliance (and if it happens, I guarantee it would not be a ripoff of NIWA) might raise some eyebrows around here, as long as the NIWA wikis stay out of it. I've already tried to stand up for the Mario Wiki format everywhere; several people were annoyed at me constantly pointing to the Mario Wiki format, thinking that I'm close-minded. Although with perseverance, most are gravitating toward the Mario Wiki format, even on wikis that I only pitched in support for. Zelda Gamepedia is the only Fandom-owned NIWA wiki, although Bulbapedia is also a brand owned by a corporation (Havamedia.com). Then there's Metroid Wiki, which is basically beyond repair that I think the whole project has to be redone. There's some others I have issues with (although StrategyWiki isn't necessarily "bad" as much as unfitting for a NIWA wiki, seeing as I'd have expected only Nintendo franchises in the alliance), but here's not the best place to discuss it. I like the ideas you have in mind for Final Fantasy Wiki by the way! [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 23:45, July 23, 2020 (EDT)
== "[[Giant Bob-omb|giant Bob-Omb]]" ==
Is that the official capitalization? {{User:DarkNight/sig}} 21:52, July 28, 2020 (EDT)
:It is in ''Paper Mario: Color Splash''. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:53, July 28, 2020 (EDT)
==Egg Pawn==
Hello, I just wanted to ask you about something- when you moved the Egg Pawn page to Eggpawn back in December, did you have a source for the updated name? As far as I'm aware, the series has consistently referred to them as Egg Pawns, and this morning I got around to completing the main story of the 2020 Story Mode, and I found several occasions where they were referred to specifically as "Egg Pawns", with the space and capitalisation on the "P" ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cg4iUxS8qw&t=12114/ From here until the the third page of minigame instructions] and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cg4iUxS8qw&t=12762/ here until the fourth page of minigame instructions], it's the same video but different time stamps (3:21:54 and 3:32:42 if those don't work)). As far as I'm aware, 2020 is the most recent appearance of Egg Pawns in general, and definitely for ''Mario''-specific appearances, so I'd think that should be the term we should use? I didn't know if there was someplace else in the game that referred to them with the other name, so I wanted to check in with you first before I considered moving it back. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 07:05, August 6, 2020 (EDT)
:OK, thank you for the clarification! I'll get to moving it back in a bit in that case. It does raise an interesting point about crossover elements being renamed in their original series that doesn't seem to be covered on [[MarioWiki:Naming]] though, I'm wondering if it's something worth bringing up on the talk page. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 12:36, August 6, 2020 (EDT)
== Wild Sting ==
Well there's the JP name, which in 99% of cases are direct transliterations from the English names.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:07, August 9, 2020 (EDT)
:Well, Boss Clambo. They do share the same base model and artwork (and looks and acts more like the original than the enemy ones in that game), so I can see where that comes from. Does it name the enemy variety? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:19, August 9, 2020 (EDT)
::I just meant in general. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:23, August 9, 2020 (EDT)
:::So it's "Clambo" for both, then? Also, it say anything about the invincible rigging Slippas? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:39, August 9, 2020 (EDT)
== Internal/interlanguage names, round 2 ==
And now for some requests for official names for objects largely from ''[[New Super Mario Bros. 2]]''.
*Mushroom platforms debuting in ''New Super Mario Bros.'' [[World 5-4 (New Super Mario Bros.)|World 5-4]] and also appear in ''New Super Mario Bros. 2'' [[World 5-4 (New Super Mario Bros. 2)|World 5-4]]. They're like [[Arrow lift (New Super Mario Bros. series)|these types of arrow lifts]], except that they eventually stop at a specific location. They're just called "blue platforms" and "pink platforms" in the NSMB2 Prima guide.
*The platform in {{world-link|2|castlen2|World 2-Castle (New Super Mario Bros. 2)}} that moves to the right only when the player stands on it. It's just called a "raft" in the Prima guide.
*The airship that appears in [[World 5-A (New Super Mario Bros. 2)|World 5-A]]. It's just called an "airship" in the Prima guide.
*The specific type of fence in {{world-link|5|castlen2|World 5-Castle (New Super Mario Bros. 2)}} that moves on a track and alters its elevation whenever the player hits it. It's just called a "fence" in the Prima guide.
*The skeletal raft in [[World 6-2 (New Super Mario Bros. 2)|World 6-2]]. It's never mentioned in the Prima guide.
*The platforms in [[World 6-B (New Super Mario Bros. 2)|World 6-B]] that alternate between ascending and descending whenever the player lands on them. It's just called a "platform" in the Prima guide.
*Specific floor platforms appearing in the ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' levels [[Screwtop Tower]] and [[Shifting-Floor Cave]] based off of the floor platforms from [[World 2-2 (New Super Mario Bros.)|World 2-2]] of ''New Super Mario Bros.'', which are in turn based off of the floors from ''Mario Bros.'' If bumped from below, they rupture items and/or enemies directly above where they were bumped. They're never mentioned in the NSMBU Prima guide.
Thanks in advance! {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 21:19, August 10, 2020 (EDT)
:BTW, I did find "web" being used consistently for the spiderweb Chain-Links in the NSMB2 Prima guide. Thanks for everything you provided me so far, though. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 22:46, August 13, 2020 (EDT)
== Heads up ==
So uh, I've had like a zillion questions for you on that other wiki, so just wanting to make sure you're aware and all. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:03, August 11, 2020 (EDT)
:<small>...Did I really bookmark an earlier revision of my talk page and not notice after all this time?</small> I'm really sorry about that, I'll get back to you tomorrow. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 23:15, August 11, 2020 (EDT)
== RE: Recent reverts ==
While you're going on about how to cover both sources neutrally, I'm going on about how to cover the internal data neutrally. I'm not against covering it, in fact I ''would've'' accepted the file name as the last resort, I just have the problem with taking it on the same level as supplementary material and a game's own coverage. Cases like YNI green Cheep Cheep being labeled as Deep Cheep run at the risk of conflating the finished product with outdated, unused data which isn't supposed to be seen officially in the first place. Hence why "their files are based on Deep Cheeps"; the file name is essentially unofficial data which contradicts the game's representation and the guide. Same goes for Blurps, really. Their files show the normal ones were supposed to be the mini variety to Akapuku and Aopuku, but the guide we know didn't follow this (and gave relatively unusual names for the two giants), just as normal Piranha Plants are normal instead of mini in SMG. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 03:48, August 15, 2020 (EDT)
:Like I don't get that Deep Cheep's file data was changed for YNI - that still doesn't mean it's Deep Cheep because Deep Cheep's files are used for it, it means a separate type of green Cheep Cheep was made based on the files of Deep Cheep, which means there's red and green Cheep Cheeps with behavioral differences after a 27-year gap. If the players, in this case Japanese, were to "naturally assume" they are Deep Cheeps, then I should have found at least a ''single'' Japanese link saying so through googling. Instead I found nothing within context of Search Pukupukus being in YNI, while what a few jackpot said anything about green Pukupukus or Pukupukus in general. And even if the guides aren't from Nintendo, there's no stopping them from promoting them like [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/wiiu/amaj/information/index.html#151028_04 the Super Mario Maker site doing so for a guidebook published by Kadokawa]. So don't go downplaying the Japanese guides for not being "within the game's representation". [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 12:59, August 15, 2020 (EDT)
::If I must consider being critical of cited sources, what's stopping me from doing the same with internal data? Unlike guides and other publications where human error must be considered, internal data is an entirely different type of source in that it serves as the building blocks where code names ''may or may not'' reflect the finished product, which is why the developmental shift and consistency must be considered for it. Fine, maybe my choice of words isn't exactly impartial, but what I said means the two ''can't'' be covered impartially, so a different viewpoint - hidden info from before the release and public info after the release - must be adapted over every source being equal. Bringing back up those other YNI enemies, I don't even know what's the file name for white Pokeys, but I actually agreed with the [[Talk:Big Kyutyan#Merge this article with Raphael the Raven (again)| the successful Big Kyutan proposal]], although that could be also argued as a size relativity case. Slave Basa and the rest of Fang code names get me though because at least in case of Count Fang its code name doesn't match with its actual name. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 09:04, August 16, 2020 (EDT)
:::But how many of those placeholder names are going to match the names shown by the finished product itself vs. the guides, and what about developers changing their minds on what they've been working with and making something else out of it? Again with the Fangs, if the game missed naming Slave Basa, what reason would a guide have for naming it after a "Basabasa" instead of calling it a "Pasapasa"? Now that's one name, but repeat that with all the enemies in such conditions, and if the guide has more names matching (by proxy) with the game than its internal files, then the guide is pretty reliable source over the internal files. Some reference from Nintendo is also definitely needed because the writers can't just write whatever, and if said reference makes no mention of Deep Cheeps, then that's it. No Deep Cheeps even if the files exist, no matter the reason like modern influences. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 17:06, August 17, 2020 (EDT)
::::Don't preach to me about arguing on exceptions when that's exactly what you're doing with guides and putting placeholder names on pedestal; at least I can acknowledge the pros and cons of both sources. Your counterargument relies on a big "if" about modern influences on a sub-series which at the same time doesn't have to follow said influences from main series, and assuming the developers thought of Deep Cheep as Deep Cheep to the end. Your point about Swoop is also bad as Swoops themselves have had nothing to do with Yoshi series and one type of Fang suddenly being directly named after Basabasa ''and'' the file name would be a huge misconnect from the rest of Pasapasas no matter how you'd cut it. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 15:21, August 18, 2020 (EDT)
Personally, I feel that it was likely never intended to be Deep Cheep; they likely copied their files straight from NSMB2 and edited from there since they already existed. If they ''were'' intended to be Deep Cheeps initially, that merely shows that if anything, [[Piscatory Pete]] should be merged to Cheep Cheep as it would most likely function as the yellow version of that. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:53, August 18, 2020 (EDT)
:It's less about whether Deep Cheeps should have full coverage for ''Yoshi's New Island'' and more of a "hey, the current wording goes a bit too far, can we please dial it back a bit?" I would've been okay with that if this conversation made headway. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:02, August 18, 2020 (EDT)
::My personal feeling is that both it and the ''Maker'' info can be placed in an "other appearances and references" section on DC's page, as they both seem to be officially considered simply green Cheep Cheeps, with the ''Maker'' games cameoing Blurp and Deep Cheep's designs for the green versions (which the games themselves still simply call "Cheep Cheeps"). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:12, August 18, 2020 (EDT)
:::I'm open to that. It sounds similar to the "partial coverage" option I was thinking of. That depends if SmokedChili will agree to it though. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:18, August 18, 2020 (EDT)
::::If it's the "similar enemies" section on Deep Cheep's Doc means, sure, that can be rewritten and the existing trivia put there. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 02:50, August 19, 2020 (EDT)
== Interlanguage names ==
Okay, this'll be quick, but do you think you could find interlanguage names for [[Stretch Shroom]], [[Cross Lift]], and [[Seesaw Log Bridge]]? Thanks! {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 17:12, August 18, 2020 (EDT)
==Windbag==
Um, hey. I don't wanna be rude here, but is King Koopa's third alter ego in Little Red Riding Princess actually called Windbag or was it Princess Toadstool calling King Koopa a windbag after the latter floats away all puffed up?
{{User:TheKarateToad/sig}} 18:33, August 18, 2020 (EDT)
So, I guess that means the Opportunity and Windbag aliases should be removed from the list, correct?
{{User:TheKarateToad/sig}} 19:18, August 18, 2020 (EDT)
Works for me.
{{User:TheKarateToad/sig}} 20:29, August 18, 2020 (EDT)
== RE:Priority ==
It appears far less than the other arrow lift; besides, I remember a similar discussion I had with Mario jc [[User talk:Toadette the Achiever#RE: Flip Panel|ending in pretty much the same way]]. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 16:41, August 19, 2020 (EDT)
:I guess I should clarify: I made a similar proposition with Mario jc a week ago concerning which [[Flip Panel]] should take priority, the platform or the Chain-Link object? He said neither, despite only the former having an in-game name. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 17:19, August 19, 2020 (EDT)
::Yeah, I'll do it. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 17:33, August 19, 2020 (EDT)
:::[[User talk:Toadette the Achiever#Doesn't take priority|And he says my change is correct.]] {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 01:51, August 20, 2020 (EDT)
== DKC:TF character ==
Hey Link. Since you're across Shogakukan guides, do you have any insight into [[Talk:Tim]]? As much as I like the conjectural name, it would be great to use the official title. Thanks.
{{User:Shokora/sig}} 00:53, August 21, 2020 (EDT)
:Unfortunately, it seems I don't have that one. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:28, August 25, 2020 (EDT)
== In regards to Cheep Chomp ==
What are your thoughts on [https://tcrf.net/images/a/ab/Beta_Cheep_Chomp.jpg this]? While it looks like Bub and is in Dire Dire Docks, its mouth and size suggest to me it's an early Bubba at a Blurp stage of development. However, it's blurry enough I may be misjudging distance again. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:43, August 26, 2020 (EDT)
:Perhaps, but given the Micro Goomba reference the SMB3 appearance seems more likely to be what they were thinking of. Regardless, that would probably still be safer. I initially was wary on keeping Baku a variant of Big since most development materials indicate currently that it was a Blurp merely adapted to act somewhat like BB (given Cheep and Blurp were originally a way to use two palettes for incompatible sprites), though given the later design changes I suppose it's "derived" from it at ''some'' point. Also, given that seeming large Cheep Cheep in the screenshot, there may be a little more to it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:26, August 26, 2020 (EDT)
== RE: "Meta category" visibility ==
Porple fixed them, the templates should be visible when logged out. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 08:26, September 5, 2020 (EDT)
:Yes, these types of notices are aimed towards editors specifically, so having them visible to guests isn't necessary. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 21:24, September 5, 2020 (EDT)
::Same reason for the templates, they're irrelevant to guests, and it's cleaner for people who are simply browsing pages. If editors want to view them, they should sign in. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 00:07, September 7, 2020 (EDT)
:::Most likely by Porple since it was his decision. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 08:57, September 7, 2020 (EDT)
== Question ==
Hey Link. When convenient, I'm just wondering if you could register for a [https://www.marioboards.com/ forum account], if you didn't have one already? I had something to ask you via personal message.
{{User:Shokora/sig}} 10:10, September 8, 2020 (EDT)
:Very well. I haven't been asked this before, but I've made one under the same handle as the wiki for convenience. Can't say for sure if I'll be able to respond right away at this time, however. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:08, September 10, 2020 (EDT)
== Black ShAnti Guy ==
So, in PMTOK, Black Shy Guy is the only Shy Guy color variant in the entire game (discounting Olly's disguise), and aside from the "Bro" enemies, Spike types, and red/blue Sidesteppers, seem to be the only recolor enemies in the entire game as well. Additionally, their attacks are totally different from the "normal" Shy Guys. While admittedly I'd like confirmation that it is "Black Heyho" and not "Kuro Heyho," I think this adds further credence to my idea of how to handle that page, do you agree? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:57, September 13, 2020 (EDT)
:According to text data (Name_HEIB in glossary.msbt), their name is <tt>ヘイホー（くろ）</tt>. Enemy script is called <tt>btl_enemy_HeihoBlack.bin.zst</tt>. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 02:02, September 13, 2020 (EDT)
::Hmm, that shakes things up a bit... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:46, September 13, 2020 (EDT)
:::Seems this is a bit different in ''Color Splash'', where its internal name in <tt>content/data/btl/data_btl.elf</tt> is <tt>MTX_HEI ブラックヘイホー</tt>, its graphics file in <tt>content/Graphics/Character/Enemy/</tt> is <tt>HEI.Black</tt>, and its script file in <tt>content/script/btl/enemy/heiho</tt> is <tt>as_btl_heiho_matrix</tt> (which labels "<tt>BlackH eiho</tt>"). That may mean that the Japanese name of the Black Shy Guy from that game was going to be "Matrix Heiho" before making it an homage to ''Paper Mario'''s Anti Guy. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:26, September 14, 2020 (EDT)
== Re: PMTOK filenames ==
*1. I could not seem to find a small Scuttlebug model, but there is <tt>\script\wld\fld\npc\npc_gsgm.bin.zst</tt>, which might be it (compared to <tt>npc_gsg.bin.zst</tt>). There is a room called <tt>map\field\W3C4_SpiderNest.bfres.zst</tt>, too.
*2. The small Goombas are not named in-game (like some other characters, such as Sombrero Guy and Dino Rhino). They do not have a name listed in <tt>\msg\US_English_Final\glossary.msbt</tt>, and do not appear to have a specific sprite file (there's only Goomba, Bone Goomba, and the costumed Goomba at Shogun Studios). Paper Paragoombas do not appear in-game, and do not appear as Paper Machos. I don't think there's a small one, either, for the regular enemy form.
*3. Regular Cheep Cheeps are in <tt>\character\pera\P_PUK.Default.bntx.zst</tt>, and the legendary one is <tt>\character\pera\P_PUK_Fishing.Default.bntx.zst</tt>. It's the same with Bloopers (<tt>\character\pera\P_GES.Default.bntx.zst</tt> and <tt>\character\pera\P_GES_Fishing.Default.bntx.zst</tt>). The Legendary Blooper/Cheep Cheep aren't named as such in their catching pop-ups ("You caught a Cheep Cheep! It's huuuge! It's the ruler of the Great Sea!" and "You caught a Blooper! Calamitous calamari! It's plain to see this one rules the Great Sea!"), and only in the museum trophy description, which reads "Catch the Legendary Cheep Cheep and Legendary Blooper." In the Japanese script, this is "プクプクとゲッソーのぬしを釣り上げよう！" and a Google Translate indicates that it doesn't mention their size at all. If I had to guess, I'd say that the "Legendary" stuff was just made up by the localization team.
*4. Mega Paper Macho Pokey's name is official and used in-game, the Parabomb is just known as "Paper Macho Bob-omb" in text data (and not in-game), and the smaller Paper Macho Goombas don't have a name listed. In Japanese, the Parabomb is ハリボテボムへい and Pokey is 巨大ハリボテサンボ. Although it is called "Name_H_SNB_Big" in the glossary.msbt file's data. In <tt>\ui\ItemIcon.bntx.zst</tt>, the Goomba Mask is called <tt>COSTUME_KUR</tt>, similarly to <tt>COSTUME_DON</tt> (Jungle King Mask) and <tt>COSTUME_SAM</tt> (Space Warrior Mask). Its 3D model is <tt>\mobj\Common\Mobj_CostumeKUR.bfres.zst</tt>.
*5. Professor Toad is <tt>\character\pera\P_KNPP.Default.bntx.zst</tt>. His battle script uses this abbreviation too (<tt>\script\wld\btl\npc\btl_npc_KNPP.bin.zst</tt>). It seems like they're meant to be similar but not the same.
*6. Olly's internal name is <tt>KNG</tt> (<tt>\effect\particle\BOSS_KNG.ptcl.zst</tt>).
I don't think I will get ''3D All-Stars'', it seems like it costs too much for too little. I am interested about the file structure, too. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 13:45, September 14, 2020 (EDT)
:*1. Yeah, I don't think we'll get any more confirmation on this for a while.
:*2. There doesn't seem to be a designated model for the smaller Folded Soldier Paragoombas.
:*3. There are large Cheep Cheeps bigger than regular ones but smaller than "Legendary." I think there are smaller Cheep Cheeps than the "Small" size in ''CS'', too.
:*4. It starts as a Parabomb but then becomes a Bob-omb. If you'd like, we can move the Parabomb article. Paper Macho Lava Bubble's JP name is <tt>ハリボテバブル</tt> (roughly "Paper Macho Bubble").
:*5. He's never called just Toad, usually "Professor" for shorthand. This is in the English version, not sure about the Japanese one.
:*6. Olivia's name is spelled out (<tt>W0C1_HelpOlivia.bin.zst</tt>), and her initial is <tt>O_BDY</tt> for her model. <tt>O_</tt> is a suffix for the origami characters, so it probably means "Origami Buddy." {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 13:25, September 19, 2020 (EDT)
== Watch out for falling rocks ==
So in the English MK64 manual, the Bowser's Castle section has an odd "watch for falling rocks" notice, shared with Choco Mountain. In [https://m1.nintendo.net/docvc/NUS/JPN/NKTJ/NKTJ_J.pdf the Japanese manual], a separate notice appears, but I can't tell what it says. The Choco Mountain one I can tell basically says "mind the rockfall," but I'm not sure on the castle one. My hunch is that it's about avoiding falling in lava and the "rocks" in the translation was a copypaste/placeholder oversight. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:10, September 23, 2020 (EDT)
== Re: Froggy's Shy Guys ==
Possibly, though on the subject of Tiny-Huge Island, the game itself really leaves it open to interpretation, with all definitive statements on the matter being in guides. Unless of course there's a signpost or something I'm missing. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:14, September 23, 2020 (EDT)
:Well, there's certainly enough examples that the pages should probably be remerged via a new proposal. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:55, October 16, 2020 (EDT)
== Truck the Tyrana Tower ==
So since you said you got that SM64 JP guide scan and with the recent Fire Piranha coverage shift, I was wondering if the page said whether "Piranha Flowers" are big Fire Packun or just big Packun. I bring this up partially because of Small Piranha and partially because of Viridi's list putting Big Fire Piranha's in the NSMBW section. Anyways, since you indicated that if said guide called the alleged "Kuromame" Keronpa then Keronpa Ball should be merged in spite of ESMB, I figured this may be the same basic principle. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:40, October 3, 2020 (EDT)
:What's your opinion on it, though? On a related note, since we're now going by game interpretation to determine what's ''not'' a Fire Piranha Plant, should we also do so to determine what ''[[Lava Piranha|is]]''? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:39, October 16, 2020 (EDT)
::Well I have a discussion going in the latter case. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:53, October 16, 2020 (EDT)
== Re: ''Super Mario Bros.'' infobox image question ==
Technically speaking, there's no such thing as "proper" NES colors, as they are technically determined by the screen itself. When I fix colors on sprites and such, it is merely an approximation on what a TV would ''generally'' show as opposed to one that is blatantly wrong. One could argue the same thing (for the most part) for ''Super Mario Bros. Deluxe'' or even the Classic NES series. <small><small>By the by, have a high-priority question for you on the other project.</small></small> [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:15, October 20, 2020 (EDT)
:What I think that the images should come from the base game ''itself'', so unless SMB35 is taking the images straight from SMB, I would disagree. {{User:DarkNight/sig}} 17:46, October 20, 2020 (EDT)
::@Doc: By "color-accurate" I meant by [[tcrf:Help:Contents/Taking Screenshots#Palette|TCRF standards]], which I think is a decent metric, but upon closer inspection, they actually seem to be closer to the dimmed palette used by the NES Classic.
::@DarkNight: The icons themselves come from ''Super Mario Bros. 35'' but it's indeterminate if they were screenshotted from that or ''Super Mario Bros.'' Theoretically, the same exact images can be replicated from the base game. But, as it goes against the spirit of the proposal, I won't go further. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:56, October 25, 2020 (EDT)
== Rainbow M ==
I changed the premise of [[Talk:Goop#Give Rainbow M its own article|this proposal]] accordingly; therefore you should probably reconsider your argument. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 21:47, October 25, 2020 (EDT)
== Re: Paper Bloop ==
Thing is, TTYD ''itself'' just considers it a Blooper, and another game of a different series (and a crossover one at that) by another second/third-party development team can't really retcon that. I would, however, be fine considering the ''Smash Bros.'' one a Big Blooper that borrows the large TTYD one's design for the purpose of the stage's TTYD segment. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:19, October 25, 2020 (EDT)
:Oh, certainly. I just feel that given, among other things, their continues insistence that ReDeads are entirely constructs despite blatant evidence means that any authority it has over the initial sources is virtually nonexistent. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:16, October 26, 2020 (EDT)
::<small>PRIMA guide for that game says they're just underground and are pushing up dirt piles, which honestly makes more sense.</small> [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:06, October 26, 2020 (EDT)
== American English ==
Doc von Schmeltwick told me this wiki uses American English. I'm just following that rule, including the proper placement for punctuation in quotation marks, as stated under "Do commas and periods go inside or outside quotation marks?" on [https://www.grammarly.com/blog/quotation-marks this website]. I'm sorry if you don't agree with me, but I'll find out from an admin if this wiki uses that rule or not. [[User:Dwhitney|Dwhitney]] ([[User talk:Dwhitney|talk]]) 16:08, November 11, 2020 (EST)
:[[MarioWiki:Manual of Style#Spelling standardization|As I understand it]], this only extends to game titles and ''word'' spelling, and even then, that rule wasn't always there. Regarding punctuation and references, I've taken it to be a first come, first served basis, as mentioned on the [[MarioWiki talk:Manual of Style#On the Topic of References|talk page]] (almost certain I've read from an admin somewhere that commas and quotations are in the same boat). Editing over a writing style that not everyone has agreed upon seems fruitless. A proposal can be made of it I guess, but I feel there are already enough of holdovers from the contractions proposal as it is. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:37, November 12, 2020 (EST)
== Mega Blooper ==
Do you intend to move [[Mega Blooper]] to [[Big Blooper]]? If so, then it should be safe to perform the move now, since it appears that [[Special:WhatLinksHere]] isn't quite catching up with the current links. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 23:02, November 11, 2020 (EST)
:I intend to, but first the Big Blooper redirect needs to be deleted to make way for the move. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:37, November 12, 2020 (EST)
== Re: PiNGOUiN ==
I'm on my laptop instead of my desktop computer right now, but I'll look into it soon. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 16:05, November 17, 2020 (EST)
:Finished. Turns out PiNGOUiN's translations were inaccurate. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 19:58, November 17, 2020 (EST)
::Got the other ones as well. The Paper Macho enemies were inaccurate (too literal) and the items were often miscapitalized. I haven't been able to verify [[Axe]] or [[Whale]], but I'd assume they're correct, as they're named in other games as well. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 14:34, November 22, 2020 (EST)
:::No, I left them out because it's a bit confusing for me to handle and translate non-Latin languages (plus I'm not sure how to distinguish "CNzh" and "TWzh"). From the JPja directory, Goomba Outlaw is <tt>ガンマンハリボテクリボー</tt> and Spike Outlaw is <tt>ガンマンハリボテガボン</tt>. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 15:39, November 25, 2020 (EST)
== Big Shy Guy ==
Just to let you know, I saw you were considering a counterproposal to merge Big Shy Guy back to Mega Guy earlier this year, but since it's been a while since then I went ahead and [[Talk:Big Shy Guy#Merge Big Shy Guy back to Mega Guy|started one]]. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:32, November 18, 2020 (EST)
:Thanks. I didn't have a good time to make proposals these past few months since I wasn't sure if I had the time to respond to comments while they were still active. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:22, November 18, 2020 (EST)
== RE:Ground-Pound Switch ==
Nonetheless, it's still capitalized in both manuals (check page 18 of the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' manual and page 20 of the ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' manual). {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 17:34, January 18, 2021 (EST)
:It's actually a recurring thing for most names on the wiki (such as with [[Pulse Beam]]), but we usually prefer the proper version of the name over the lowercase one. If you still disagree, you can talk to Porplemontage about it or start a proposal. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 17:48, January 18, 2021 (EST)
::I still say the naming falls under priority exception. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 17:57, January 18, 2021 (EST)
:::Regardless, I think there still needs to be a more centralized discussion on these kinds of capitalization before anything is really decided. Also, it's worth pointing out that "[[Spark pylon]]" is lowercase in the capture list in ''[[Super Mario Odyssey]]'', but is consistently capitalized in the game's Prima guide, so that gives us the opposite problem as well. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 18:32, January 18, 2021 (EST)
::::Sure, I'll do it at my earliest convenience. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 21:43, January 18, 2021 (EST)
== Official power-ups and enemy lists of a few select Super Mario games ==
Since I know this is a topic that interests you, [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/character/mario/characters/index.html Nintendo has opened on their Japanese Mario Portal a section listing the Mario power-ups and enemies of a few select ''Super Mario'' games]. While I think it will mostly mirror the content of the ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'',  having a site directly maintained by Nintendo might come in handy as an up-to-date reference.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 04:01, January 19, 2021 (EST)
:Interestingly (at a glance comparing entries like Small Piranha and Big Boo since I don't have my copy next to me) this aligns with Japanese ''Encyclopedia''! I assume this will be translated into other languages? It makes me somewhat pensive that an English version of the site would do the same with English ''Encyclopedia''. This is worth keeping an eye on as it develops. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 06:02, January 19, 2021 (EST)
== Wario Land Piranha Plants ==
The ones described in the NP section are actually the game's Munchers. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:49, January 19, 2021 (EST)
:Huh, I don't know how I didn't realize I was looking at Rice Beach, my bad. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 01:25, January 20, 2021 (EST)
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