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* No spamming, trolling, vandalism, or other such nonsense. That should be blatantly obvious.
* No spamming, trolling, vandalism, or other such nonsense. That should be blatantly obvious.
* Friend requests will be ignored.
* Friend requests will be ignored.
* If I post a message on your talk page, replying to me on mine is strongly discouraged. I've noticed several users replying back and forth on each other's talk pages, and following these conversations is a pain, especially if one of them has a highly active talk page. Unless I need to be informed of something ASAP for whatever reason, I'd rather keep it on one page.
* <big><big><big>'''I do not like RE: messages. If I post a message on your talk page, please just respond on your talk page instead of sending me a RE: message. I really am not fond of that replying back and forth thing so many users do, which makes trying to follow these conversations a total chore. Unless I absolutely ''need'' to be informed of something ASAP for whatever reason, I'd rather keep it on one page. On the same note, if you post on my talk page, don't expect any notifications, since I will respond to it here. It's a lot easier for me when I don't have to keep going back and forth between user talk pages just to follow a discussion.'''</big></big></big>


== Images ==
== Images ==


Sorry to bother, but could I ask for a source from the two images that you recently uploaded, [[:File:PMTYDDarkbones.jpg|File:PMTYDDarkbones.jpg]] and [[:File:PMTTYD Dark Bones.png|File:PMTTYD Dark Bones.png]]? It helps the wiki greatly if you specify how you came across the image, whether you extracted it directly from the game's files or pulled it from another website. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 23:18, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
Sorry to bother, but could I ask for a source from the two images that you recently uploaded, [[:PMTTYD Dark Bones Artwork.jpg|File:PMTYDDarkbones.jpg]] and [[:File:PMTTYD Dark Bones.png|File:PMTTYD Dark Bones.png]]? It helps the wiki greatly if you specify how you came across the image, whether you extracted it directly from the game's files or pulled it from another website. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 23:18, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
:I don't know, because all I did was take the already uploaded image and reupload it as a PNG so I could make its background transparent. The original file didn't give a source. If you want to know where it was from, ask the original uploader.
:I don't know, because all I did was take the already uploaded image and reupload it as a PNG so I could make its background transparent. The original file didn't give a source. If you want to know where it was from, ask the original uploader.
::{{User:7feetunder/sig}} 23:27, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
::{{User:7feetunder/sig}} 23:27, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
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Insert a colon before the title of the file. It won't file link that way. Difference:
Insert a colon before the title of the file. It won't file link that way. Difference:


[[File:PM Mariothininking.PNG|34px]] [[:File:PM Mariothininking.PNG]]
[[File:PM Mariothininking.png|34px]] [[:File:PM Mariothininking.png]]


That way you don't have to use [[Media:PM Mariothininking.PNG]]. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 18:46, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
That way you don't have to use [[Media:PM Mariothininking.PNG]]. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 18:46, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
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== Duplicate Image Found and Will Be Deleted ==
== Duplicate Image Found and Will Be Deleted ==


[[:File:Papermario.jpg]] was found to be a duplicate/replacement of [[:File:Papermario.PNG]] and has been tagged for deletion. Your userpage is using the older file. Just a heads up. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 19:16, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
[[:File:Papermario.jpg]] was found to be a duplicate/replacement of [[:File:Paper Mario 64 box.png]] and has been tagged for deletion. Your userpage is using the older file. Just a heads up. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 19:16, 3 April 2017 (EDT)


== Recent Edit ==
== Recent Edit ==
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:I tried doing that, and it wouldn't let me. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 14:46, 16 July 2017 (EDT)
:I tried doing that, and it wouldn't let me. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 14:46, 16 July 2017 (EDT)
::Oh, well in that case, just tag the obstructing page for deletion, and wait for it to be deleted. Thanks! {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 15:17, 16 July 2017 (EDT)
::Oh, well in that case, just tag the obstructing page for deletion, and wait for it to be deleted. Thanks! {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 15:17, 16 July 2017 (EDT)
:::Alternatively, post on [[forum:17678|the forums]] about it and an admin will deal with it. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 15:18, 16 July 2017 (EDT)
:::Alternatively, post on [[mb:threads/17678|the forums]] about it and an admin will deal with it. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 15:18, 16 July 2017 (EDT)


== World 1-1 Edit ==
== World 1-1 Edit ==
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== RE: Trouble center missions ==
== RE: Trouble center missions ==


It's fine with me if you add a "chapter" parameter on [[Template:Missionbox]]. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 22:01, 11 October 2017 (EDT)
It's fine with me if you add a "chapter" parameter on [[Template:Mission infobox]]. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 22:01, 11 October 2017 (EDT)
:That's not my job. I'm telling you you're doing something incorrectly, you should be willing to fix it yourself. Instead, you want me to fix it for you. You created those articles, so you should be the one to adequately convey how the chapters are relevant to the troubles, and simply slapping them under the "level" parameter does not do that. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 00:34, 13 October 2017 (EDT)
:That's not my job. I'm telling you you're doing something incorrectly, you should be willing to fix it yourself. Instead, you want me to fix it for you. You created those articles, so you should be the one to adequately convey how the chapters are relevant to the troubles, and simply slapping them under the "level" parameter does not do that. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 00:34, 13 October 2017 (EDT)


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==Proposal Deletion==
==Proposal Deletion==
Hey, what the heck, bro? Why did you just delete my proposal like that? I wasn't violating any rules. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 21:40, 11 November 2017 (EST)
Hey, what the heck, bro? Why did you just delete my proposal like that? I wasn't violating any rules. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 21:40, 11 November 2017 (EST)
:I didn't delete it, I archived it. The deadline passed. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 21:53, 11 November 2017 (EST)
::...Oh. My bad. I didn't even notice. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 21:57, 11 November 2017 (EST)
==''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' reception edit==
Hey, what are you doing? I was just talking with [[User:Alex95|Alex95]] about the whole thing. After all, ''Super Mario 64'' got the treatment, why not ''Mario Galaxy 2''? {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 19:20, 12 November 2017 (EST)
:''SM64'' has actual citations for those claims. You did not bother to provide a single one. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 19:24, 12 November 2017 (EST)
==[[Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario Odyssey)]] article existence==
Why does the Mushroom Kingdom article have a separate article for its appearance in ''Mario Odyssey''? I mean, it ''is'' a kingdom, but still, it's the Mushroom Kingdom, right? {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 20:36, 13 November 2017 (EST)
:Don't know why you're asking me this; I didn't split the thing, but whatever. Anyway, specific incarnations of a location getting their own articles is hardly new ([[Tick-Tock Clock (race course)|race]] [[Luigi's Mansion (race course)|courses]], ''[[Delfino Plaza (stage)|Smash]] [[Kongo Jungle (Super Smash Bros.)|Bros.]]'' [[Mushroom Kingdom (stage)|stages]], [[World 8-Bowser's Castle|platformer levels]]); it was probably split due the sheer amount of content there is to cover for ''Odyssey'''s version of the Mushroom Kingdom. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 23:33, 13 November 2017 (EST)
==Morty Mole-Mega mole proposal result==
What, it failed to reach a consensus? Let me guess, the rules state that the proposal has to have one side definitively come out victorious by more than two votes to reach a consensus. Why not just have the winner decide regardless of the margin of victory? Does it make proposals too close and competitive? I think so, but I want to know what you think. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 20:37, 14 November 2017 (EST)
:You just answered your own question. Rule 10 requires two-option proposals to have a three-vote margin to reach a consensus. Otherwise, they get extended. If the proposal doesn't reach a consensus by three extensions, it fizzles out and no action is taken. The end. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 20:46, 14 November 2017 (EST)
==Princess Peach's Castle in ''Mario 64'' and ''Mario Odyssey'' (REMAKE!)==
What, how is it NOT remade? The castle in ''Mario Odyssey'' literally IS a remake of the one in ''Mario 64''! What am I missing? Please explain. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 22:54, 16 November 2017 (EST)
:It literally isn't. The layout is different; there are no doors leading to other rooms, only one staircase led to the second floor in the original; the original did not have a throne, etc. It's an obvious homage, complete with the sun rug that you stand on and look at the ceiling, but not a remake. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 23:21, 16 November 2017 (EST)
== Thanks ==
Thanks for checking the ''Diddy Kong Racing'' code stuff. I don't have the game, and the second-hand guide I have had the codes written in various ways ("rocketfuel" was written in cursive, for example). Some were uppercase, others were lowercase, so I assumed there was a case-sensitive thing going on. Thanks for correcting that.
Now we just need that last code. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:23, 27 November 2017 (EST)
:Actually I think that "High Speed Racers" code is a dud. I looked up several online walkthroughs and there's no sign of it. I did however, find these:
*'''DODGYROMMER''' - ROM Checksum
*'''EPC''' - EPC Lock Up Display
*'''EOLAOBFENRLONE''' - Free Balloon
:I never knew about these three before today. I don't think these can show up after the credits; they were likely used for debugging, but I tested them and they work. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 14:52, 27 November 2017 (EST)
::Yeah, found the whole list on the ''[[Diddy Kong Racing]]'' page after {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} edited the corresponding section. Strange, I wonder where ''Nintendo Power'' got the High Speed Racers code from. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:55, 27 November 2017 (EST)
== Wario World ==
I've just noticed that the ''[[Template:Wario World|Wario World]]'' template doesn't list [[Wario]] and doesn't even have a character section. Since you seem plenty familiar with the game, is there a good place to slot him in? {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 14:03, 28 November 2017 (EST)
:Hmmm. Not surprised there's no character section; there aren't many defined characters in the game. There's Wario, the [[Spriteling]]s (which are a species), the enemies and bosses, and that's basically it. The only solution I can think of is to create a "main characters" section for Wario and move the [[Black Jewel]] (the main antagonist) there as well (''[[Wario Land II]]'''s navigation template does this already). {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 14:24, 28 November 2017 (EST)
:EDIT: ''[[Wario: Master of Disguise]]'''s navigation template also lacks a "characters" section.
::Yeah, I think that's the best we can do. WMOD's template also doesn't have a section for items and objects, so there's a bit of clean-up to do there as well (although with [[Wario]], [[Goodstyle]], and [[Count Cannoli]], its character section is a bit more well-defined). {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 14:35, 28 November 2017 (EST)
:::Most of those ''WMOD'' items and objects don't even have actual articles yet, due to this wiki's rather crappy coverage of the game in general (hence my past project to expand the level articles). I intend to remedy that sometime in the near future. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 14:48, 28 November 2017 (EST)
== Reminder Template ==
...Oh. Oops, my bad. I was just trying to be, well, a good contributor. Thanks for the advice, though. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 21:19, 4 December 2017 (EST)
== Karts are fast...or not? ==
Uh...the ''whole'' darn point of the ''Mario Kart'' series is that ''all'' of the karts are fast. If not all of them are fast, then they should not be in the ''Mario Kart'' series. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 21:36, 4 December 2017 (EST)
:I don't get what you're saying. Not all karts are built for speed. Some karts are built to have good handling and acceleration rather than speed, like the [[Biddybuggy]]. Unless by "fast" you mean "faster than a human's walking speed", which is just obvious and unnecessary. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 21:46, 4 December 2017 (EST)
::Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. All karts can go faster than a normal vehicle's speed, and that's what I was trying to say. All karts are fast, but are built differently. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 21:51, 4 December 2017 (EST)
:::That's not what you said before. You just said they were "fast" which is a vague and redundant thing to say about a vehicle designed for racing. What "normal vehicles" are you comparing them to, anyway? And why do you feel it necessary to point that out? {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 22:02, 4 December 2017 (EST)
::::It's necessary to point out because you're saying that not all karts are fast, which is not at all true. All karts are fast, and in a somewhat unorthodox and weird way, I can prove it to you by simply asking you to look at the speedometer that appears in ''Mario Kart 64'' and ''Mario Kart: Double Dash!!'' and see that every kart can clock in at about 50 to 60 miles per hour, give or take some mph. (In other words, just play or even watch an LP of one of those games and take a look at the speedometer.) Now, are some karts faster than others? Oh, yeah, indeed. In fact, that is one of the major points of the ''Mario Kart'' series. But in the end, are all karts fast to race on the tracks? Oh, yeah, all of them are, and ''that'' is the point that I was trying to make with just one word. One word can go a long way and make a huge difference, you know. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 22:08, 4 December 2017 (EST)
:::::50-60 mph? Regular cars can do that, and often do when driving down highways with high speed limits. In other words, you just completely contradicted your previous post regarding "normal vehicles". {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 22:20, 4 December 2017 (EST)
::::::Oh, come on now, you know what I mean when I say 50 to 60 mph, right! Again, my general point is that all karts are fast enough to race in the ''Mario Kart'' series, which is a very fast racing series, so to say that not all karts are fast is just wrong and not true. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 22:27, 4 December 2017 (EST)
:::::::No, I don't know what you mean, because you said "50 to 60 mph" and I expect you to mean what you say. So how fast ''is'' Baby Peach in a Biddybuggy on 50cc, anyway? Also, "''Mario Kart'' is a very fast racing series" is a meaningless statement. Fast compared to what? It's a racing game series, it's natural for it to be "fast" to some degree, so simply saying it's "fast" is like saying that an item "does something." {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 22:52, 4 December 2017 (EST)
:::::::What do you mean? Okay, you know what, forget I even ''mentioned'' anything about the 50 to 60 mph thing and just focus on the very simple fact that all karts are generally fast for being racing karts. ''That'' is my point. It doesn't matter whether they are built specifically for speed or acceleration or handling, they are all built to be fast racing karts in some capacity. Forget about 50cc or comparing it to anything else, my point is that all karts are fast for racing karts. That's all there is to it, so don't overthink anything about it. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 23:17, 4 December 2017 (EST)
::::::::"All karts are fast for racing karts"... as if racing karts aren't normally fast? Now you've completely lost me. Anyway, I'd like to end this discussion; it should not have gone on this long in the first place. My point was that it wasn't a necessary addition; it was redundant, vague, and the opening sentence of that article was fine without it. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 23:41, 4 December 2017 (EST)
== Star Ball Rolling and Bubble Blowing ==
I know we deleted them, but would it be better if we just left them as redirects to Star Ball and Bubble, respectively?  I’m asking you because you proposed their deletion. -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 13:47, 22 February 2018 (EST)
:I don't see a real need for it. They're not official names nor are they commonly used. It's not like we have "Purple Coin Collecting" as a redirect to [[Purple Coin]]. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 18:59, 22 February 2018 (EST)
::Okay, I see. -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 19:16, 22 February 2018 (EST)
== DK:JB fluff ==
While it certainly seems to be fluff at first, please recall that the original "plot" for DK:JB is basically "DK wants to be the strongest around, so he's gonna beat up all the other strong guys." So the statements in the articles aren't exactly inaccurate.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:18, 15 May 2018 (EDT)
:Accurate or not, phrases like "this mighty foe" just sound needlessly flowery. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 01:08, 15 May 2018 (EDT)
== Dueling Glove ==
Might already be too late for this, but in regards to [[Talk:Dueling Glove|this discussion]], it's worth noting that [[Double Card]] and [[Double Star Card]] are separate despite having nearly identical functions in different game modes. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 09:04, 17 June 2018 (EDT)
== List of implied characters proposal ==
Yo, thanks for taking care of my proposal while I was away! Internet chose a crap time to go down :/ {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:05, 1 August 2018 (EDT)
== Power Stones ==
[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=move&user=&page=Power+Stones&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&subtype= That may be true], but what about [[Crystal Stars]]? {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 18:49, 4 August 2018 (EDT)
:We only have that one because one of the individual stars is confusingly and inconveniently ''also'' called [[Crystal Star]]. The [[Power Stone]]s don't have that problem. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 18:52, 4 August 2018 (EDT)
== Children ==
Based on what I'm seeing in [[:Category:Children|the category]], the character just needs at least one parent to show or be described in order to fit in it. She may not be classified as a "child", but her parents are mentioned. idk, the category could probably be reworked or renamed... {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:03, 6 August 2018 (EDT)
:Categories are poorly maintained sometimes. The category includes the [[Ice Climbers]], [[Jr. Troopa]], [[Sue Pea]], and several others without defined parents, which makes it clear to me it was intended to refer to age, and any uses of it as a synonym for "offspring" are mistakes. Otherwise, [[Princess Peach]] would belong in the category, since she is the daughter of the [[Mushroom King]]. As would [[Bowser]], since he has an [[List of implied characters#Bowser.27s father|implied father in some comics]]. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 18:24, 6 August 2018 (EDT)
::Ah, yeah, good points (how old is Mona anyway?). {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:27, 6 August 2018 (EDT)
:::Old enough to have a motor scooter license and several jobs at various points? She appears to be a young adult, since she's roughly as tall as 5-Volt. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:29, 6 August 2018 (EDT)
::::[[Mona#Game information|Her profiles]] consistently say she's a high school student. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 18:31, 6 August 2018 (EDT)
:::::It was a rhetorical question anyway :P But I get what the category is used for now. I wonder why it was added in the first place. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:50, 6 August 2018 (EDT)
== So Long, Ankiron ==
I had seen in a walkthrough of the game Wario performing some sorta attack on an Ankiron in which he grabs it by the tail and spins. This message isn't so much about whether that should be noted on the page, and more that it happens at all. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:35, 21 August 2018 (EDT)
:Wario ''does'' have an attack where he spins enemies around - the [[Wild Swing-Ding]]. The [[Mega Toss]] is simply a supercharged throw. Are you sure he swings Ankirons by their tail and not simply their rear? I can't seem to remember and I don't have access to my GameCube atm; do you have a link to this video? Anyway, I'm pretty sure it's wasn't an intentional reference, since the Wild Swing-Ding can be performed on any enemy Wario can carry (which is most of them, including all but 3 bosses) and how he spins them differs from enemy to enemy. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 02:25, 21 August 2018 (EDT)
== Body Slam identifiers ==
Given how we typically prefer to have things as simple as possible and use game titles as a last resort, I think "Bombette" and "Flurrie" would be preferable identifiers. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:05, 26 August 2018 (EDT)
:If so, then ''Inside Story'''s Body Slam should be moved to "Body Slam (Bowser)" as well. Also, I think this topic would be better suited to the article's talk page than my user talk.{{User:7feetunder/sig}} 00:13, 26 August 2018 (EDT)
::I just spoke to you because it appeared you were in the midst of moving them. Guess it took a little longer to tell you than I'd hoped. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:20, 26 August 2018 (EDT)
== Beanbean Outskirts ==
Before you start anything with that, keep in mind that the most recent name is '''Beanbean Fields'''. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:18, 29 August 2018 (EDT)
== RE: File restoration ==
Unfortunately, it can't be restored as it's disappeared from the server completely, sorry. After digging around the admin boards, apparently the database of all the deleted pages and files was cleaned out in around April 2012, so anything deleted before then is gone forever. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 21:05, 26 September 2018 (EDT)
== Ice Snifit ==
Thanks for having splitted the articles while i was afk. Actually, i think that sprites have the actual designs. And for Flamer Guys and Pyro Guys, i am still convinced that they are separate due to Japanese names. Well, Ice Snifits types are purely coincidental, and don't look even similar. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 03:11, 24 October 2018 (EDT)
== Thank You ==
Thanks for revising the DK64 articles I've added. Appreciated [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 10:08, 29 January 2019 (EST)
==Contractions==
Hello, regarding [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Smithsnorian_Museum&curid=25740&diff=2595422&oldid=2582217 this edit] you added the contraction "won't". [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 52#Update the Manual of Style to discourage contractions on the wiki|It was decided]] that contractions usually should not be used in a page unless they are used in things like quotes, so in this case "won't" will be "will not". Thanks! {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 7:03, 2 February 2019 (EST)
:I know about the contraction thing. That "won't" was the result of a lack of proofreading. I rushed the edit because it was late and I wanted to sign off for the night (it also resulted in me [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=The_Sphinx_Sits_on_a_Secret!&diff=2595639&oldid=2595417 forgetting to categorize the article I had just made.]) I probably would have caught it if I weren't so burned out. Oh well. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 21:02, 2 February 2019 (EST)
== RE:Black jewel ==
Apparently, the quote was specific to Castle Trodain, so I had no trouble at all finding it :P It is a proper "Black Jewel" in game, like the quote we have (I also got the "Rudy the Clown" quote). But unlike the case with the ESMB, the name did end up being used in game... {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:00, 6 March 2019 (EST)
:I still don't think the black jewel article should retain the capitalization; it isn't capitalized anywhere in ''Wario World'' or its manual. For the same reason as "Rudy the Clown," the capitalization in ''Fortune Street'' is most likely citogenesis. It's literally the same scenario, just with a different ''Wario'' villain. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 22:47, 6 March 2019 (EST)
== RE:Peach's Castle (Past) ==
Hey, if you want to make a proposal about it, I'm not stopping you under ''any'' circumstances, but it's still called "Peach's Castle (Past)" on the in-game map screen, which to the best of my knowledge usually takes priority over in-game quotes. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 01:52, March 24, 2019 (EDT)
:I don't want to make a proposal about it. It was fine how it was. I'm telling you ''you're'' doing something that really should be discussed first. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 01:58, March 24, 2019 (EDT)
== Purple Klaptrap ==
So a while back, I attempted a proposal to merge [[Purple Klaptrap]] (which is only differentiated by the shoddy DK64 PRIMA guide), and it lost, seemingly due to most people being disinterested, and some people erroneously thinking there was a general size difference (when in reality, the only time purple ones are shown bigger is in a tiny Tiny area with a "huge" Zinger, and in a cutscene that has a big green one as well). Should it be re-attempted? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:06, March 30, 2019 (EDT)
== RE: Page deletion ==
It's done. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 22:11, April 10, 2019 (EDT)
== ''Wario: Master of Disguise'' episode articles ==
Oh, hi. It seems we're both working on the two ''[[Wario: Master of Disguise]]'' episode articles in our [[User:Obsessive Mario Fan/Sandbox|sand]][[User:7feetunder/sandbox|boxes]]. Do you think we could work together on this? [[User:Obsessive Mario Fan|Obsessive Mario Fan]] ([[User talk:Obsessive Mario Fan|talk]]) 13:38, June 9, 2019 (EDT)
:OK. How about I finish my work on Episode 9, and you do the final one? {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 14:16, June 9, 2019 (EDT)
::That works. [[User:Obsessive Mario Fan|Obsessive Mario Fan]] ([[User talk:Obsessive Mario Fan|talk]]) 14:22, June 9, 2019 (EDT)
== One last thing ==
One more thing: could you upload the title card for Episode 10 from ''Wario: Master of Disguise''? I am (currently) unable to do so, and it would really help. [[User:Obsessive Mario Fan|Obsessive Mario Fan]] ([[User talk:Obsessive Mario Fan|talk]]) 17:22, June 10, 2019 (EDT)
== Your Bull's-Eye Banzai edits ==
[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 47#The Usage of Old Names in Articles|Ahem]]... --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 14:29, June 27, 2019 (EDT)
:I already know about that proposal. I was one of the voters on it. But there's a difference between an old name and an obvious goof. I'm busy crafting a post for the Bulls-Eye Banzai talk page - stay tuned. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 14:35, June 27, 2019 (EDT)
== Yellow Toad ==
The reason you moved [[Yellow Toad (Super Mario series)|this article]] to "Yellow Toad (''New Super Mario Bros.'' series)" is convincing, but it was based off the common misconception that the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' games are their own series, [[:File:Super Mario Bros 30th Anniversary - US Artwork.jpg|which they aren't]]. I took the liberty of moving it to "Yellow Toad (''Super Mario'' series)", but now that I think about it, I realize that ''that'' page title is a bit of a mistake as well, seeing as how it doesn't solve the very ambiguity that moving the page tried to solve in the first place (as in, the [[Yellow Toad (Toad Brigade)|other yellow Toad]] in the series). At this point, I think it's better to just move it back to "Yellow Toad (''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'')" or just merge it and [[Blue Toad (character)]] into [[Toad (species)]]. Any thoughts? {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 02:31, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
== Regarding [[Talk:Snake (Yoshi's Story)|the Yoshi's Story snake TPP]] ==
Hello. If you're seeing this, I've updated the proposal with another option and tried to neaten/clarify things a bit more, and I'm sending you and other voters this message in order to inform you of the changes, as courtesy dictates (and especially if you might want to change your vote). Thank you and good day. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 00:04, September 10, 2019 (EDT)
== ''Luigi's Mansion 3'' ==
Hello, I've noticed you have been working on a lot of articles for ''[[Luigi's Mansion 3]]'', especially for locations. That's great! Are there any you need help with? I could work on some smaller locations like [[Coffee Shop]], [[Gift Shop]], and [[Boutique]] and you could work on some like [[Tomb Suites]], [[Unnatural History Museum]], [[Boilerworks]], [[Twisted Suites]], [[The Spectral Catch]], [[The Dance Hall]]...
If you'd like. {{User:The Mansion/sig}} 17:55, November 10, 2019 (EST)
:I'm mainly going to be focusing on floors for now, so you can take care of the rooms if you want. I might still do a few rooms here and there, but they'll be for later floors (mainly to solve naming conflicts like [[Ball Room]]/[[Ballroom]] sooner rather than later), and you started at the basement, so you're good to go. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 18:17, November 10, 2019 (EST)
::Sounds good. I’ll be going in order. {{User:The Mansion/sig}} 18:19, November 10, 2019 (EST)
Excellent job on the [[Master Suite]] article. I’ll leave the rest of the floors to you - you’ve clearly got it down. I’ll be working on the room articles - feel free to join me when you’re done with the other articles, if you’d like. {{User:The Mansion/sig}} 20:28, November 11, 2019 (EST)
==Re: Received==
Heheh... Whoops. Well, apologies if I had overlooked my misspelling error... I didn't realize that I made that mistake right up until now. '^_^
{{User:TheKarateToad/sig}} 19:57, December 4, 2019 (EDT)
==[[Special:Diff/3061244|"...anything else of the sort"]]==
Actually, we do have a precedent for this sort of writing. For example, Culex, which happens to be another optional superboss, has his article written so that the regional differences are mainly relegated to one section. Besides, it should be all right to call an undead skeletal monster an "it" now. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:45, November 10, 2020 (EST)
:That Culex thing has nothing to do with Bonetail's gender, so I have no idea why you're bringing it up. I know that phrase you quoted is vague (and I never meant for it to be taken so seriously, it's just bogus weasel word phrasing I slapped there with little thought), but that comparison still proves nothing.
:The point is: other articles on characters with region-dependent gender ([[Birdo#Gender|Birdo]], [[Petey Piranha#Gender|Petey Piranha]], etc.) do not use "it". There's no reason Bonetail should be an exception to this. "It" is for beings with no confirmed gender at all ([[Cookatiel]] being a frustrating example). Bonetail's article used "he" for the longest time until a single (now-banned) user changed it on a whim 2 years ago. No reason to uphold such a change when there's no precedent for it. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 23:20, November 13, 2020 (EST)
::The thing is there aren't enough solid examples of this, e.g. Birdo is a "she" by today's standards and Petey Piranha actually changes all the time depending on the game translation to the point that "he" is sometimes an "it" even in English so maybe something should really be done about that. Of the ones currently existing, none of them refer to a ''reanimated skeleton''. Culex is pertinent because, with the exception of quotes, details exclusive to one region are kept in one space of the article, which is how Bonetail was written before. Which gender Bonetail is (or maybe more accurately, ''was'') is literally a Parabuzzy situation, where it's just the English localization versus the world, so treating it as most would a ''zombified monster'' seemed like a pretty decent compromise that I was okay with. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:45, November 14, 2020 (EST)
:::You say this as if a "compromise" is even necessary. It isn't. English versions taking priority over other versions is standard practice here; since this wiki is in English, most readers will have played the English version of any given ''Mario'' game. English localizations don't get "outvoted" simply because most other versions do it another way. The only reason Parabuzzy was ever a separate article to begin with was due to inconsistencies between English localizations of ''different games'', which are common. This is not an issue with a one-shot character like Bonetail.
:::Bonetail is consistently referred to with gendered pronouns in-game, there's no reason why we should not do the same, certainly not for something as trivial as regional gender differences for a character whose gender has little-to-no relevance to his characterization. Your point about Culex honestly supports my argument more than it does yours - regional differences, while notable, are mostly relegated to specific sections dedicated to them and not something that warrants completely reworking an article's prose. Bonetail being an undead skeleton changes nothing about this in the context of the ''Mario'' franchise; Dry Bowser is also a skeleton, and he's not an "it" either. Furthermore, Bonetail's siblings are both sentient and capable of speech, so it's implied that Bonetail once was also, even if it's unclear if he still is. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 16:09, November 14, 2020 (EST)
::::Well, except that English localizations ''can'' get "outvoted" (for lack of better term)? ''Paper Mario'' series example: if English localization calls something a "jar" in one game and a "mask" in another, but other languages do no such thing, the information doesn't get split (i.e. Fright Jar/Mask). I know, "this is an English wiki," but that never meant that things here had to bend entirely around that fact like the "literal translation" proposer attempted to do. Anyway, I think you're missing the point about Culex - it is an example of an article that is written ''neutrally'' with regards to region outside of one part of it that explains how both are different, which is much closer to how Bonetail was written before. Obviously there had to have been a sense of compromise if others felt the same way about it. Anyway, I believe that a gender-confused plant and skeleton can both easily be an "it" with minimal problem. If nothing else, if it must come down to it, there have been sillier discussions. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:19, November 25, 2020 (EST)
:::::Page splits are a whole different thing. Just like with Parabuzzy, your apples-to-oranges comparison relies on the existence of multiple games and inconsistencies between their localizations. The Fright Jar/Mask thing was something the English localization team simply couldn't help; they couldn't have foreseen the ''TTYD'' developers inexplicably redesigning several items. They ''had'' to change it, since it was no longer a jar.
:::::In Culex's case, [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Culex&diff=2245251&oldid=2245174 you] were the one who moved all the English-specific content to the regional differences section, and I can't find any evidence of a discussion taking place, so I don't know why you're using it as an example as if it were the product of some consensus. Though I don't really oppose the change as it doesn't harm the article's readability or accuracy, I would hardly call the change necessary.
:::::Anyway, there is no way to neutrally write Bonetail's article. Bonetail is not an "it" in any region to my knowledge, so referring to him as such is inaccurate to everyone. Your repeated point about Bonetail being a skeleton ''means nothing''. I've already explained why in my previous post. Bonetail is not any more of an "it" than Dry Bowser. The article is fine as-is. The gender change is already mentioned in the header, so it's not like the article doesn't acknowledge it. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 23:12, December 1, 2020 (EST)
==RE: Through the Looking Glass==
I got that name from the wiki, actually. Check for it in the table for the Castle Secret Stars on the ''[[Super Mario 64 DS]]'' page. I just figured the mission deserving of its own article. {{User:The Mansion/sig}} 09:21, January 25, 2021 (EST)
:That name's been on that page [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Super_Mario_64_DS&diff=75621&oldid=75616 since 2007], which in Super Mario Wiki years is basically the stone age. This wiki was not very well maintained back then (e.g. [[Capsule machine]] was originally created under the seemingly made-up name "Capsule Dispenser"). This wiki has become much more sophisticated since then, but sometimes stone age relics manage to survive for much longer than they should ([[MarioWiki:BJAODN/Items#Reverse Mushroom|case in point]]). Whatever the case, it should not have its own article because other Castle Secret Stars don't have them due to not being officially named (we have articles for the mini-courses that house some of them, but not the Stars themselves); there's no reason for that "white room in the mirror" Star to be an exception. Regardless, always make sure that a name has a legitimate source if it doesn't come from the game itself. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 22:24, January 25, 2021 (EST)
== RE:Literal translation proposal ==
Yeah, I misinterpreted that. My bad. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 17:50, January 31, 2021 (EST)
== RE:Beanstalk Way ==
Yeah, I saw that, I'll get that done asap, just been busy with stuff atm. {{User:Dr. Kirb}} 3:54, May 9, 2021 (EST)
== "The player" ==
"The player" refers to the real-world person who is controlling the game. It is correct to write "the player can press {{button|A}} to make Mario jump", not "the player jumps when {{button|A}} is pressed". It's Mario, not me, who's jumping on dolphins. In games like ''SMW'', Mario and Luigi are completely interchangeable, with the same controls and movement options, so it's redundant to mention both of them every time. For games such as ''SMB2'' and ''SM3DW'', I prefer to use "the characters" or "the playable characters", or even focus on describing the level design itself rather than what Mario has to do to get through it. It's also possible to reword sentences to remove any use of "the player", such as "after completing this level, the player unlocks Vanilla Secret 2" to "Vanilla Secret 2 is unlocked after this level is completed." {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 18:16, May 9, 2021 (EDT)
:I do understand where you're coming from, which is why I prefer using character names when applicable (e.g. Mario is the only playable character in (the original) ''Super Mario 64''), but there is nothing in the manual of style that supports your pedantry, especially since your suggested alternative of "the playable characters" in such a context sounds awkward. For example, let's try inserting it into this sentence: "[[Chimp Chase#Gameplay|If one of the adult Ukikis screams out, the Ukikis of the same color freeze, giving '''the playable characters''' a chance to get them.]]" It's not ''wrong'', it just sounds clunky.
:If this bothers you ''that'' much, then as you said, you can rewrite the article to omit the need for such terms. In fact, [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Vanilla_Secret_3&diff=3196331&oldid=3196293 I just did]. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 19:28, May 9, 2021 (EDT)
::We'd rewrite the article to avoid these terms, as you demonstrated, rather than just text replacing every instance of "player" to "character." Although, I think "players" feels appropriate in the context of ''Mario Party''; as the in-universe characters are ''playing'' a minigame, it's accurate. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 19:38, May 9, 2021 (EDT)
== Anti Guy ==
Hey, so you said you'd be willing to change your vote on that proposal if presented with enough evidence...anyways, I think if it goes through it can be used potentially as some manner of precedence for Spike Tops (also on my radar is Pale Piranha and Moon Cleft)...anyways, as of right now, if you do change your vote, that'll swing it to the difference of three needed to pass it, as it's currently shaping up to be a no quorum. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:52, May 23, 2021 (EDT)
:Unfortunately, I didn't really get the evidence I was looking for. I was thinking of something along the lines of a previous proposal with similar circumstances to Anti Guy's that succeeded, which might have changed my mind on the issue. There's no guarantee that Red Spike Top would get merged just because of an Anti Guy merge, since the two cases aren't identical to one another. The two would have to be proposed together for me to cast a vote in favor.
:(By the way, "no quorum" does not mean "no consensus", it means "not enough votes", meaning three or less were cast.) {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 22:16, May 23, 2021 (EDT)
::One thing I do want to point out is that the Black Shy Guy article contains information for more than just the CS/TOK enemy; notably, a giant opponent from ''Mario Tennis Aces'' (that AFAIK isn't actually named at all in-game, though due to being quite distinct from normal Shy Guys counts as a "non-generic" appearance even if the article is trimmed) is there, yet Anti Guy is treated as, I guess "more different" than that? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:46, May 24, 2021 (EDT)
== IP address ==
I went ahead and hid your IP from that edit revision. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 21:38, May 23, 2021 (EDT)
:OK, thanks. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 21:39, May 23, 2021 (EDT)
== RE: Edit request ==
Fixed it, thanks. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 23:03, June 6, 2021 (EDT)
== This. ==
This. I have been thinking about this for a while and it is about updating all of the Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, and Super Mario Galaxy (but not Super Mario Galaxy 2), level information for Super Mario 3D All-Stars. [[Special:Contributions/107.146.244.150|107.146.244.150]] 16:07, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
== That Mario Party Superstars section ==
Thanks for fixing that mistake there. I'm gonna be honest, I have absolutely no idea how that got deleted. I think it's because I was looking at a different revision for the talk page and accidentally started editing the talk page from there. Didn't mean for that to happen, but thanks for catching that. My bad. {{User:Tails777/sig}}18:41, July 16, 2021 (EDT)
== Re: Minor edits ==
Ah, I'll start using minor edits now. You didn't have to be so condescending and rude about it, though. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 17:24, July 28, 2021 (EDT)
:I did not say anything rude nor condescending to you. All I did was simply inform you of the mistake you were making, and my comment contained no snark or insults, so I'm not sure why you took such offense to it. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 17:07, July 29, 2021 (EDT)
== RE:''MPS'' Board Images ==
Oh, sorry about that. I got them from Mario Party Legacy's main page. I'll add them right now. {{User:WildWario/sig}} 20:08, September 26, 2021 (EDT)
== Proposal in question ==
I purposefully left out a link to that citation proposal because I cringe hard at the interactions and non-sequitur arguments I had going in it. I did not want to expose other people to that potentially malign influence on their day. <small>Please understand.</small> {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 18:40, October 1, 2021 (EDT)
EDIT: Nevermind, you were referring to a 2011 proposal, not the one I made in 2020. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 18:42, October 1, 2021 (EDT)
== About that late vote… ==
I didn’t know that the proposal was over. It was just an accident. {{User:OhoJeeOnFire/sig}}
==About Cap Switch==
Hey, so as the proposal creator, what's your stance on more conveniently covering the ''Super Mario 64 DS'' equivalent in the new Cap Switch article, a la [[Talk:Wing Cap|some]] [[Talk:Keronpa Ball|other]] [[Template talk:SM64 missions|proposal]]s? My solution seems to have boosted the passing of the "merge Purple Switch and split Cap Switch" proposal option. I'd really want to get around to opening a discussion about the Cap Blocks next. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:50, November 29, 2021 (EST)
:Honestly, the thought doesn't sit too well with me. While the change from a "!" to a "?" does seem trivial, and it kind of is, what isn't is the effect of the switch, which differs from the N64 switches due to the overhaul of the item mechanics. There are no caps in the DS version, just the [[Power Flower]], so it's technically not a ''Cap'' Switch anymore. I see it as more of a [[Nokottasu]] and [[Big Koopa Troopa]] situation, in that they are similar things that fill similar roles in different versions of a game (not a perfect comparison, but eh). Not to mention I am completely at odds with the outcome of that Wing Cap proposal and want to revisit it at some point.
:As for Cap Block, I'm fine with splitting it, but if we do, I think [[Metal Box]] should be merged with it. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 19:28, November 30, 2021 (EST)
::I'm a bit disappointed, but it's your proposal, so you're the boss. The outcome of the Wing Cap proposal isn't something I particularly agreed with at the time either, and I'm not sure how I personally think about it now, but I believe it is part of a distinct pattern showing that the wiki overall prefers to keep original/remake info like that [[MarioWiki:Once and only once|more concisely in one place]] when the differences are basically aesthetic. The Nokottasu and Big Koopa Troopa split was sort of an anomaly in this regard, and I feel like that one may be revisited someday too, considering Presenter wasn't similarly split into Monty Mole. The existence of the Metal Box article somewhat complicating Cap Block is precisely why I wanted to open a discussion on it, but it seems someone's already made a [[Talk:! Block|proposal]]. I guess I'll wait and see how things turn out first. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:01, December 1, 2021 (EST)
::I also want to point out, though, since I'm not sure it was clear enough during the proposal, that the "''Cap''" Switch and Block moniker is a change to the original English localization - they are actually the less specific "''Item''" Switch and Block in the Japanese version, so by that metric, there is no contradiction. There are "[[tcrf:Super Mario 64 DS#Cap Blocks (0x0021 to 0x0023)|Cap Blocks]]" unused in the game, but these aren't intended to be the same "''Cap''" Blocks - in fact, the used, red "? Block" is still known as <tt>ITEM_BLOCK</tt> internally (VS game, <tt>VS_ITEM_BLOCK</tt>), just like the ''Super Mario 64'' version. Additionally, while the English manual gives the name "! Block" to the yellow block, the Japanese manual gives the name "''Orange Block''" which, while different from the ''Super Mario 64'' version ("''yellow block''"), still fits within the colored block naming scheme despite there no longer being green or blue blocks to have to make color differentiation necessary. In some ways, maintaining symbol-strictness between game versions is like splitting Tower of the Wing Cap and ? Switches of Rainbow Tower. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:26, December 4, 2021 (EST)
== Cap Block ==
If I were to include an option to merge the [[Metal Box]] article with the Cap Block article (if it gets recreated), how would I suggest that on my proposal? And if the articles were to be merged, how would info about the green Cap Block be talked about on an article about all three Cap Blocks? [[User:Dwhitney|Dwhitney]] ([[User talk:Dwhitney|talk]]) 17:20, December 2, 2021 (EST)
:You don't have to suggest it since I already suggested it for you and gave reasoning for it. If necessary, just add a mention in the proposal text that you added a third option based on my suggestion. On a side note, your proposal seems very rushed, which is never a good thing. All you said on your proposal was "someone added a split suggestion template." You're seemingly attempting to get Cap Block split based entirely on that, without mentioning ''why'' you agree with splitting it. Try to put more effort into writing your proposals next time, and don't take action or make proposals ''just'' because you saw one of those templates.
:If my option wins, the resulting article would be split into history sections like most articles are - one for ''SM64'' (which would talk about all three blocks) and one for ''Smash'' (which would be specifically about the Metal Box).
:{{User:7feetunder/sig}} 19:01, December 2, 2021 (EST)
== A question! ==
Hello, I am wondering why the category Siblings is redundant on the page "Henry and Orville". If you could explain to me, that would be nice. Thanks in advance. {{User:2021snow/Sig}}
:It's redundant because [[Henry and Orville]] are already in the Twins category, which is a subcategory of Siblings. See [[MarioWiki:Categories]] for more detail on how categories work. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 01:51, December 16, 2021 (EST)
::Alright, so if I see a page that has a category and a subcategory, I should remove the category that's not a subcategory but keep the subcategory? Seems like a good idea. I did that with the Mario page already. Please tell me if what I am thinking is correct is indeed correct. I will find more like that if that is the case. {{User:2021snow/Sig}}
== Parasol ==
A couple of days ago, I moved the Parasol page to Parasol (Super Smash Bros.) and then today, Mario jc moved it back saying "Moving the page alone isn't the whole process and doesn't fully resolve the issue brought up on the talk page" in the edit summary. Is there some other way to make sure the Super Smash Bros. Parasol doesn't take priority over the Mario Parasols? [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 23:02, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
== Good point raised ==
You raised a good point [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Kroc&diff=3240162&oldid=3200288 here], thank you [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 19:50, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
:Also, sry for accidentally voting past the deadline on Doc's proposal. I was told that I have to be more careful next time & look at date before voting. Thank you for moving my comment [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 12:10, April 14, 2022 (EDT)
== Courtesy ==
We've noticed a number of less than agreeable interactions with other users over the past months, wheter it's referring to another user's argument as "[https://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/58#Comments_7 completely asinine]", [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AHome-Run_Contest&type=revision&diff=3617190&oldid=3604672 ranting at a guy for expressing a different perspective on the wiki's Smash coverage], or more recently, [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Proto_Piranha&type=revision&diff=3698982&oldid=3698016 ALL-CAPPING at an admin for reverting one of your edits].
Now, your removal of that bit from the Proto Piranha ''is'' the correct thing to do, and yeah I can see how it was frustrating to see it reverted like that, but that doesn't excuse the flippant tone here. I'm just saying, before sending something, do pause and consider if your choice of adjective and formatting is all that necessary (or wanted). --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 17:08, June 28, 2022 (EDT)
:To be entirely fair to myself, the ALL-CAPS thing is something I would have normally used ''italics'' to emphasize, but I can't do that in an edit summary. I did not intend it to come off as yelling. Also, my frustration was less over the reversion itself and more the failure to understand why I removed it in the first place, something I thought my edit summary made clear. I see what you're saying though. I do attempt to avoid harshness when posting, but I'm not perfect. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 19:39, June 28, 2022 (EDT)
==re:Paper Mario==
I see you deleted part of my edit to the SMRPG references section but I disagree that it is a stretch.
-Both forest maze and the desert are a series of room with (usually) three or four exists that require some external assistance (Geno in SMRPG, the stone in Paper Mario) to find the next thing that progress the plot without wandering aimlessly. <br>
-In SMRPG, a NPC cryptically tells you to "Left, Left, Straight, Right" to find something presumably useful in the maze. <br>
-In Paper Mario, a NPC vaguely tells you to go "Three south, two west" to find something valuable in the desert.
Not exactly the same solution or reward, but conceptually similar and I could definitely see someone on the Paper Mario development team having that SMRPG secret in mind when writing that hint. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 20:39, July 24, 2022 (EDT)
:Forest Maze has more in common with [[Forever Forest]] than it does Dry Dry Desert. Both are forest areas (albeit dramatically different atmospherically) with four exits per room that send you back to the start  if you take a wrong turn, and both have optional hidden rooms with goodies in them. Dry Dry Desert isn't that kind of area. It's essentially a 7x7 grid; there's no "send back" mechanic like the forests. The "go in these directions" thing dates back to the Lost Woods in the original ''Legend of Zelda'', and you don't even have to do what Merluvlee tells you to find the badge, you just have to go to the specific spot on the grid where it is. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 20:58, July 24, 2022 (EDT)
::Aight Aight. I'm playing the game for the first time this week so I felt a big sense of deja vu when I read that line from the Toad npc. I'll keep that in mind re Forever Forest. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 21:41, July 24, 2022 (EDT)
==RE: [[Ruin]]==
Good evening! The alternative name comes from one of Power Moons. I also believe to have seen it in the Prima guide, though I could be misremembering. [[User:Spectrogram|Spectrogram]] ([[User talk:Spectrogram|talk]]) 14:51, July 27, 2022 (EDT)
==Regarding matters of conversation==
It's completely fair if you prefer writing your own responses on your talk page when someone else initiates a conversation, but I don't think it's courteous to [[User talk:Spectrogram|dictate others where to put their messages for you to see]]. Users on this website have the freedom to express themselves wherever the userspace allows for it; you ought not to lay them some arbitrary restriction on the pretense that "it's more convenient for me". {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 17:57, July 27, 2022 (EDT)
:''I'' don't think it's courteous that you're trivializing my disdain for a long-time pet peeve of mine by calling it "arbitrary" and a "pretense". I have a very good reason for disliking RE: messages. When users keep posting back and forth on each other's talk pages, it's hard to follow because I can only see half of the convo at once. It's even worse when the discussion is older or one of the users have high talk page activity, and I have to dig through user talk page archives to find the other half. I understand that not everyone hates it as much as I do, which I why don't butt in on convos that have nothing to do with me just to tell people to stop doing this, even though it gets on my nerves. I'd just at least rather people not do it with ''me'', which is why I say not to do it at the top of my talk page. Plenty of users have their "things" they don't like people doing on their talk pages (like swearing for instance), and RE: messages are mine. So if someone misses that, I don't see a problem with informing them in a non-angry way that I'd rather them not do that. Spectrogram didn't have a problem with it either, so I don't see why you're getting on my case for it. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 18:38, July 27, 2022 (EDT)
== Moon Cleft edit ==
I'm sorry for not explaining this when I made that edit, but for enemies only appearing in ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'' (e.g. [[Spunia]], [[Swampire]], etc.), we simply use the bestiary infobox without the species infobox. [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 20:54, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
:I've never liked the practice of using bestiary infoboxes as main infoboxes for RPG enemies. It creates inconsistencies with other enemy articles and, in the case of enemies that are or have variants, leaves that info out. It's neither beneficial nor universally accepted, so I don't see any reason to cling to it, and I'd support nixing the practice entirely. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 21:32, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
::If that's the case, make a proposal on it. I have no strong opinions on the practice, so I'll abstain from voting. [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 08:36, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
:::Just thought I'd mention my thoughts on this, I don't mind using the statbox up top for enemies that only appear in one RPG game and have only one statbox, and using a proper infobox for enemies with multiple statboxes which can have their own section (one exception to this would be [[Dark Paratroopa]], since the ''Paper Mario'' statbox is basically unused data). The Moon Cleft article as it is now still mentions in the opening sentence that it is a variant of Cleft and that it appears in ''Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door'', so it's not really leaving out that information. What I didn't like before was when ''Paper Mario'' series enemies had TTYD statboxes up top and other games' statboxes further down, along with when enemies from ''Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga'' and ''Bowser's Inside Story'' had both original and remake statboxes together at the top. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 12:36, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
== RE:Birthday card and notebook ==
Okay, that was my bad. You have a point. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 14:21, August 7, 2022 (EDT)
== Can I request to vanish? ==
Just wondering, I haven’t really edited mariowiki in years and would like to vanish like you can do on wikipedia
:This is a better question for an admin than me, though I'm pretty sure the answer you're looking for is "no". I ''think'' (don't quote me on this) you can request the deletion of your user page, but your talk page stays, and outright vanishing is not a thing AFAIK. Again, you're better off talking to an admin about this sort of thing. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 13:34, August 8, 2022 (EDT)
== RE: Bug Fables ==
Okay, I looked around, and he seems to be fought in a similar manner as well (I also underestimated General Guy's popularity), so I'll add it back. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 22:47, August 20, 2022 (EDT)
==Re:Lost World==
In that case, I'd just refer to the Player's Guides, where the world numbers are listed. Krematoa is considered the eighth world, and presumably so is Lost World, though only the seven normal worlds are numbered. Think how the ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' Warp Zone is "World 9" even though it in no way whatsoever proceeds from World 8. I'm not sure there is a better way to link the ''Donkey Kong Country 3'' levels since you can play some worlds out of the recommended order. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 20:55, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
== MPA proposal ==
Just letting you know, option 2 (your second choice) is now marginally ahead of option 1 (your first choice), so if you'd prefer option 1 to win, you may want to remove the secondary vote. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:56, September 25, 2022 (EDT)
:Option 2 is winning by enough votes that me removing my secondary vote for it won't change the outcome. I'd only do it if that one vote would decide the proposal. I'm fine with option 2 winning. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 15:44, September 26, 2022 (EDT)
== Kutlass and Kosha ==
I was more thinking along the lines of "short guy with oversized melee weapon" there; while Koshas are sometimes fairly large, their bodies are still really squat and short-limbed, giving off the impression of being short, and as such it seems more likely to be an intentional non-piratical successor to Kutlass than a coincidence. As for the Kopters, the unused sprites still illustrate their design history, which is what determines how they are inspired by pre-existing entities; in their case, their pose and animation is a dead-ringer for the original Kutlass with helicopter blades replacing the cutlasses, so it seems safe to say (in my opinion) that they are creation-wise as close as, for instance, Krusha, Kruncha, and Krumple or Kannon and Bazuka. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:25, October 14, 2023 (EDT)
:Unused sprites illustrate design history, but are not necessarily representative of the final product. Unused ''TTYD'' sprites heavily imply that [[Smorg]]s were supposed to look like [[Screamy]]. That doesn't mean we should claim in his infobox that he is connected to them, since he clearly has no relation to them at all in the final game. Also, while the Kopter's unused idle stance is similar to Kutlass, there's no indication that he would have behaved like Kutlass in any way. Kutlass may have been used as a base for that sprite purely for convenience and not necessarily because Rare intended the two enemies to be related to one another. As for Kosha, "short guy with oversized melee weapon" is not a very strong connection in and of itself. The two enemies simply do not physically resemble each other outside of that very superficial similarity. The way they both get their weapons stuck in the ground is definitely notable, and I'm not saying that's a coincidence, but that's the only similarity they have.
:However, more than anything, I just ''really'' don't like the "subject_origin" parameter being used this way. [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Species_infobox&diff=prev&oldid=3968459 The intention was to use it for ''real-world species''], not as a wishy-washy middle ground between "variant_of" and "comparable." Let's just not do that so we can prevent tiresome debates regarding "creator's intent." {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 14:55, October 15, 2023 (EDT)
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