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==conjectural== | |||
Since the title is conjectural, wouldn't it be a good idea to simplify it to ''Super Smash Bros. (3DS/Wii U)''? <br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 14:40, 11 June 2013 (EDT) | Since the title is conjectural, wouldn't it be a good idea to simplify it to ''Super Smash Bros. (3DS/Wii U)''? <br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 14:40, 11 June 2013 (EDT) | ||
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:Muliplayers one of the key aspects of the Super Smash Bros. games so it's not surprising if it is included. Though the process for playing multiplayer on 3ds where by its required for all participants to have a copy of the game or not is not known. These connectivity questions are usually answered towards the games release so just wait till then. - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]] | :Muliplayers one of the key aspects of the Super Smash Bros. games so it's not surprising if it is included. Though the process for playing multiplayer on 3ds where by its required for all participants to have a copy of the game or not is not known. These connectivity questions are usually answered towards the games release so just wait till then. - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]] | ||
==Split [[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U]] into {{ | ==Split [[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U]] into {{fake link|Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS}} and {{fake link|Super Smash Bros. for Wii U}}== | ||
{{SettledTPP}} | {{SettledTPP}} | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-11|Do not split}} | |||
I feel that these articles should be split - there's a lot of information and pictures differentiating the two, and even new sets of courses. This is NOT a remake like [[Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D]] is, and we have an article for that game. | I feel that these articles should be split - there's a lot of information and pictures differentiating the two, and even new sets of courses. This is NOT a remake like [[Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D]] is, and we have an article for that game. | ||
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@Tails777: Actually the Mario & Sonic games are different too, so I'd also like to have them split. I'll probably make a proposal for that sort of thing. --{{User:SuperYoshiBros/sig}} 16:02, 1 September 2013 (EDT) | @Tails777: Actually the Mario & Sonic games are different too, so I'd also like to have them split. I'll probably make a proposal for that sort of thing. --{{User:SuperYoshiBros/sig}} 16:02, 1 September 2013 (EDT) | ||
:The [[MarioWiki:New | :The [[MarioWiki:New articles|policy]] does indeed call for the two games to be split, which must happen eventually (and perhaps with the gallery as well). But now isn't a good time. The amount of information about the game is still very limited, and it seems that the best thing to do is to have all the known info collected onto the one page as of now. | ||
:{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 04:27, 2 September 2013 (EDT) | :{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 04:27, 2 September 2013 (EDT) | ||
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== This is called Super Smash Bros. 4 by SmashWiki, so why do we say SSBF3DS/WIIU?!?! == | == This is called Super Smash Bros. 4 by SmashWiki, so why do we say SSBF3DS/WIIU?!?! == | ||
The ''[[Mario ( | The ''[[Mario (franchise)|Mario series]]'' is less represented in this game and the title is goofy. | ||
There's no relation to the title by ''[[Donkey Kong (Game Boy)|Donkey Kong]]'' and [[Donkey Kong (game)|Donkey Kong]], so why call it this dumb title? Also, the [[Fake ? Panel]] should be called ¿ Panel instead. But only ONE stage based on Mario appears, and that is [[Super Mario 3D Land]]?!?! | There's no relation to the title by ''[[Donkey Kong (Game Boy)|Donkey Kong]]'' and [[Donkey Kong (game)|Donkey Kong]], so why call it this dumb title? Also, the [[Fake ? Panel]] should be called ¿ Panel instead. But only ONE stage based on Mario appears, and that is [[Super Mario 3D Land]]?!?! | ||
That's it! ¿¡@& this title and just call it Super Smash Bros. 4. | That's it! ¿¡@& this title and just call it Super Smash Bros. 4. | ||
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==Starfy confirmed as assist trophy?== | ==Starfy confirmed as assist trophy?== | ||
Nothing said he was confirmed as an assist trophy! [[File:Petey | Nothing said he was confirmed as an assist trophy! [[File:Petey Piranha Ground Idle.gif]] [[User:Peteyking64|Peteyking]] [[File:KingBooMKW.png]] | ||
:Bar the source that I provided that shows a link to MiiVerse items, where he is under the sub-section of Assist Trophies. {{User|Yoshi876}}} | :Bar the source that I provided that shows a link to MiiVerse items, where he is under the sub-section of Assist Trophies. {{User|Yoshi876}}} | ||
Yeah, but is that actually Miiverse or another source. The Smash Wiki says he's not a assist trophy. [[File:Petey | Yeah, but is that actually Miiverse or another source. The Smash Wiki says he's not a assist trophy. [[File:Petey Piranha Ground Idle.gif]] [[User:Peteyking64|Peteyking]] [[File:KingBooMKW.png]] | ||
:SmashWiki doesn't know everything, and the source seems pretty reliable. {{User|Yoshi876}} | :SmashWiki doesn't know everything, and the source seems pretty reliable. {{User|Yoshi876}} | ||
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All the other smash pages organize the character roster from starting to unlockable. Should bother to do that? | All the other smash pages organize the character roster from starting to unlockable. Should bother to do that? | ||
[[File:Petey | [[File:Petey Piranha Ground Idle.gif]] [[User:Peteyking64|Peteyking]] [[File:KingBooMKW.png]] | ||
:{{user|Dry Bowser rules!}} already italicized unockables. They are fine they way they are. {{User:Tsunami/sig}} | :{{user|Dry Bowser rules!}} already italicized unockables. They are fine they way they are. {{User:Tsunami/sig}} | ||
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== Split Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U into Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U attempt 2 == | == Split Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U into Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U attempt 2 == | ||
{{SettledTPP}} | {{SettledTPP}} | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|5-11|Don't split}} | |||
I feel that it is about time that we split these 2 articles. With a lot more information now known about the games, it maked sense to try again with this kind of proposal. For example, the 3DS version has already released in Japan and will release in America and Europe 6 days from now. We also know about a lot more of the differences between the 2 games including how the 3DS version will have a exclusive mode in Smash run. | I feel that it is about time that we split these 2 articles. With a lot more information now known about the games, it maked sense to try again with this kind of proposal. For example, the 3DS version has already released in Japan and will release in America and Europe 6 days from now. We also know about a lot more of the differences between the 2 games including how the 3DS version will have a exclusive mode in Smash run. | ||
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====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
#{{User|3D Player 2004}} per proposal. | #{{User|3D Player 2004}} per proposal. | ||
#{{User| | #{{User|The Super Mario Super User}} I know they go together, but they are two different games with the same roster and different stages. Mario Kart 64 & Mario Kart: Super Circuit have the same roster, but does that mean they are together? I support being split, because I wanted this to happen for AGES! | ||
#{{User|Tails777}} We have enough information for the 3DS version to have it's own page and with the full release in a few days, I see no issue with splitting the two versions. | #{{User|Tails777}} We have enough information for the 3DS version to have it's own page and with the full release in a few days, I see no issue with splitting the two versions. | ||
#{{User|Toadbrigade5}} Per all, and that different games should have different pages. We have pages for remakes and such, so why not these? | #{{User|Toadbrigade5}} Per all, and that different games should have different pages. We have pages for remakes and such, so why not these? | ||
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You should probably wait until both versions of the game are out to start discussing this. - {{User:Ninelevendo/sig}} 08:33, 27 September 2014 (EDT) | You should probably wait until both versions of the game are out to start discussing this. - {{User:Ninelevendo/sig}} 08:33, 27 September 2014 (EDT) | ||
'''@ | '''@The Super Mario Super User''' But, 64 and Super Circuit have SO much more differences, such as SC borrowing SMK elements as well, the three alternate-colored Yoshis, oh, and nothing close to the same amount of tracks. They are totally separate games which is made clear to someone like me who owns both. And most importantly, they were NOT advertised together, and definitely were NOT released on the same year. This article isn't distinguishing anything except the stages, so for now, and if nothing new (or only minor differences) comes to the Wii U version, I'm sure this should stay one article. {{User:BabyLuigi64/sig}} | ||
:I exactly writed the exact thing. Just 3 minutes after... ^_^' {{User:Tsunami/sig}} | :I exactly writed the exact thing. Just 3 minutes after... ^_^' {{User:Tsunami/sig}} | ||
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==Final Destination== | ==Final Destination== | ||
I think we should have separate pages, for final destination. | I think we should have separate pages, for final destination. | ||
[[File:MarioSMA4.PNG]][[User:The Golden Yoshi|<span style="font-family:cezanne;color:Orange">Gold</span>]] [[User talk: The Golden Yoshi|<span style="font-family:cezanne;color:Purple">Yoshi</span>]][[File:Luigi | [[File:MarioSMA4.PNG]][[User:The Golden Yoshi|<span style="font-family:cezanne;color:Orange">Gold</span>]] [[User talk: The Golden Yoshi|<span style="font-family:cezanne;color:Purple">Yoshi</span>]][[File:SMA4 Luigi Walking Sprite.png]] 14:05, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | ||
:I hardly believe it's a good idea, but if you really want so, make a [[MarioWiki:Proposals#Talk Page Proposals|TTP]] about it {{User:Tsunami/sig}} | :I hardly believe it's a good idea, but if you really want so, make a [[MarioWiki:Proposals#Talk Page Proposals|TTP]] about it {{User:Tsunami/sig}} | ||
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==Split Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U into Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U attempt 3== | ==Split Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U into Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U attempt 3== | ||
{{SettledTPP}} | {{SettledTPP}} | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|14-0|Split}} | |||
Well, both games are out now in almost all countries I believe? I think now we have enough information to split these. Just look at all the different sections of the gameplay section on this page for one big example, like Smash Tour, Smash Run, and 8-Player Smash. Besides that, there's different stages, different trophies, heck even different glitches and patches/updates. There's really no reason to keep it merged now. | Well, both games are out now in almost all countries I believe? I think now we have enough information to split these. Just look at all the different sections of the gameplay section on this page for one big example, like Smash Tour, Smash Run, and 8-Player Smash. Besides that, there's different stages, different trophies, heck even different glitches and patches/updates. There's really no reason to keep it merged now. | ||
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#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per proposal. | #{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per proposal. | ||
#{{User|Madz the Penguin}} Different modes, different trophies, different glitches, different stages, different tracks, different ''release dates''...they have so many differences, it's like comparing [[Dr. Mario (video game|Dr. Mario]] to [[Dr. Mario 64]]. It's time to stop assuming these are the next [[bulbapedia:Pokemon X and Y|Pokemon X and Y]] and that they need to be together. | #{{User|Madz the Penguin}} Different modes, different trophies, different glitches, different stages, different tracks, different ''release dates''...they have so many differences, it's like comparing [[Dr. Mario (video game|Dr. Mario]] to [[Dr. Mario 64]]. It's time to stop assuming these are the next [[bulbapedia:Pokemon X and Y|Pokemon X and Y]] and that they need to be together. | ||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - There's enough differences that a split seems worth-while: if the ''SMA'' remakes can stand alone from the original titles, the two versions of ''SSB4'' can get their own pages too. It also fits in with the "more articles the merrier" philosophy, and sets a standard for future advantageous splits, like the [[ | #{{User|Walkazo}} - There's enough differences that a split seems worth-while: if the ''SMA'' remakes can stand alone from the original titles, the two versions of ''SSB4'' can get their own pages too. It also fits in with the "more articles the merrier" philosophy, and sets a standard for future advantageous splits, like the [[mb:threads/26831|three vastly different versions]] of ''[[Mario is Missing!]]'' which are currently all stuffed onto one page too. Only this is worse because the two games don't even share a title, leading to the very awkward page name. But in a way, it's also better than the ''MiM!'' situation, since ''SSB4'' info's easy to come by, so unlike the old edutainment game, splitting these pages should be easy. | ||
#{{User|Time Turner}} Per all. | #{{User|Time Turner}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|Mario}} There are way too many differences within these two games. One question though, is what does ''[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U]]'' redirect to? Will we delete it? How will we reformat those links? And what about the image categories? See I have a lot of questions for this. | #{{User|Mario}} There are way too many differences within these two games. One question though, is what does ''[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U]]'' redirect to? Will we delete it? How will we reformat those links? And what about the image categories? See I have a lot of questions for this. | ||
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::::Sorry for not stating before. Yeah, I thonk they should be im both, this is something interrstong for a trivia... {{User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig}} | ::::Sorry for not stating before. Yeah, I thonk they should be im both, this is something interrstong for a trivia... {{User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig}} | ||
:::::Can it be verified that it's indeed from the game and not an elaborate custom remix? After all, people started posting "lost ''Brawl'' tracks" despite the actual audio being nonexistent in the game disc. This may turn out to be not so different. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:55, 19 December 2014 (EST) | :::::Can it be verified that it's indeed from the game and not an elaborate custom remix? After all, people started posting "lost ''Brawl'' tracks" despite the actual audio being nonexistent in the game disc. This may turn out to be not so different. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:55, 19 December 2014 (EST) | ||
::::::It is oficial, presen in japanese version only, not ''unused''{{User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig}} | |||
:::::::Right, but there should at least be better confirmation since a few other YouTube rips have turned out to be bogus. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:16, 21 December 2014 (EST) | |||
== Mewtwo isn't a | no video evidences atm, but I've seen 2Chan threads mention it. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 10:29, 28 December 2014 (EST) | ||
== Mewtwo isn't a included character == | |||
Mewtwo isn't a playable character in the game per se, as someone who buys a copy of Smash won't have a playable Mewtwo in their game; they have to download him separately. You all okay with changing it to say 49 fighters + 1 downloadable extra, as opposed to 50 including Mewtwo (etc.)? Also, I think the fighters should be listed in order of the Smash game they first participated in, like the [[Brawl]] page does, but someone may have already mentioned that. [[User:TheMultiYoshi|TheMultiYoshi]] ([[User talk:TheMultiYoshi|talk]]) 15:48, 21 December 2014 (EST) | Mewtwo isn't a playable character in the game per se, as someone who buys a copy of Smash won't have a playable Mewtwo in their game; they have to download him separately. You all okay with changing it to say 49 fighters + 1 downloadable extra, as opposed to 50 including Mewtwo (etc.)? Also, I think the fighters should be listed in order of the Smash game they first participated in, like the [[Brawl]] page does, but someone may have already mentioned that. [[User:TheMultiYoshi|TheMultiYoshi]] ([[User talk:TheMultiYoshi|talk]]) 15:48, 21 December 2014 (EST) | ||
:I agree with this. DLC should not be confused with the core game. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:54, 21 December 2014 (EST) | :I agree with this. DLC should not be confused with the core game. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:54, 21 December 2014 (EST) | ||
:: What if, and this is a big if, they decide to include mewtwo in future retail and digital versions? - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]] | |||
== Should these two links be merged? == | == Should these two links be merged? == | ||
In the Smash Run enemies section, there is two links that link to Zoomer and Geemer (pages are not yet created) respectively and the SmashWiki says that Zoomer is the original name for Geemer. I want to merge the two links together but I'm afraid that I might get a warning or my edit undid. So, is it okay to merge the two links? [[User:QBert64|QBert64]] ([[User talk:QBert64|talk]]) 19:17, 21 December 2014 (EST) | In the Smash Run enemies section, there is two links that link to Zoomer and Geemer (pages are not yet created) respectively and the SmashWiki says that Zoomer is the original name for Geemer. I want to merge the two links together but I'm afraid that I might get a warning or my edit undid. So, is it okay to merge the two links? [[User:QBert64|QBert64]] ([[User talk:QBert64|talk]]) 19:17, 21 December 2014 (EST) | ||
== upcoming == | |||
the category states that these games are upcoming. | |||
I would change this, but I can only view source. {{unsigned|94.214.146.187}} | |||
:I suppose it's because Mewtwo is an '''upcoming''' DLC. No nned to change... yet. {{User:Tsunami/sig}} | |||
== lucas == | |||
he was confirmed :) {{unsigned|75.159.197.145}} | |||
== Roy and Ryu? == | |||
Hi, I'm new here, so if I make a mistake in writing this comment, please explain how I can fix it in the future. Now, a recent data hack of smash 3ds shows victory themes for Roy from Fire Emblem and Ryu from Street Fighter, along with a Street Fighter song, and two Kirby songs (new stage?). I know we cannot put this in the pages yet, but I am putting this information in the talk section for now. I hope to be of service to Super Mario Wiki in the future. {{unsigned|GamerGuy12}} | |||
:Remember to sign your comments with your username, in the future. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 22:31, 22 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Who destroyed the whole article? == | |||
It was so full of content that it is now disgusting to look at. Just put it back to how it was. | |||
{{unsigned|SimpsonsMan1234}} | |||
:It was [[#Split Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U into Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U attempt 3|agreed upon]] by the members of the community to split the article into the 3DS and Wii U versions due to the varying differences. The information is in other articles. {{User|Yoshi876}} | |||
==Are you sure?== | |||
Are you guys sure that this game doesn't reference any other games beside Mario Kart 8 Deluxe? Something tells me it's more than that <span style="color:green">[[User:B ron 3000|'''B ron''']] [[User talk: B ron 3000|'''3000''']]</span> [[File:MP9 Luigi Icon.png|x35px]] 13:13, 11 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:The section is referring to later games that reference ''it''. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 21:43, 11 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Do something about this page == | |||
{{SettledTPP}} | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|14-3-0|Delete}} | |||
I created this article five years ago under the assumption that both ''Smash Bros.'' games would be the exact same game with only a few differences separating them (like the then-announced version-exclusive stages) but not enough that they ''should'' be separate articles. (This was also on top of the fact that there was hardly any information on the two games.) As more information was gradually revealed and both games came out proving this definitely wasn't the case, eventually they were split into full articles, leaving this page in a neglected state. Right now, it's not sure what it wants to be: it combines and overlaps information of both games already found on their respective pages, but it's not even complete in that regard, either. The DLC is covered in full, but the characters and stages are just summarised in short paragraphs. The page was brought up on the [https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=29237.msg1998829 forums] a few months back, and I think it's about time something should be done with it: | |||
*'''Delete this page:''' With both games already having full, separate coverage, this page seems pointless. The current ''[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS]]'' and ''[[Super Smash Bros. for Wii U]]'' articles would still cover elements common in both games (gameplay, characters etc.), but both articles would also include a section covering content exclusive to the respective version. <u>Note that this would affect the corresponding [[Gallery:Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U|gallery page]] as well</u>: the images there can easily be split off to their respective version-focused gallery pages, which they mostly already are. Whatever is done following this action (e.g. turning it into a disambiguation page, though I'm not against this decision) has no bearing on this proposal. | |||
*'''Include only information common in both games:''' Cover all of the common elements in both games on one page, but also trim the current ''Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS'' and ''Super Smash Bros. for Wii U'' articles to include ''only'' exclusive content. Again, this also affects the gallery page: general ''Smash 4'' images such as the combined logos and artwork remain, but 3DS and Wii U screenshots are removed. | |||
*'''Keep it as it is:''' Do nothing. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Mario jc}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': June 25, 2018, 23:59 GMT | |||
===Delete this page=== | |||
#{{user|Mario jc}} I see no reason to keep this if we already have two separate pages covering the information found here in full. | |||
#{{user|YoshiEgg1990}} Per Mario jc. I wanted to say that long ago, but i forgot about it. | |||
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} It's more sufficient as a disambiguation page, as the differences are vast enough in my opinion, and yet this exact term is all too likely to be searched. Per Mario jc. | |||
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per Mario jc, and I also agree with keeping this as a disambiguation page. | |||
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Disambiguation of page or trimming sounds reasonable enough. I believe Nintendo has them together, though still separate. It is kind of like the Mario & Sonic series. Although, disambiguation seems better due to what we're doing with Mario & Sonic pages is that. Per all. | |||
#{{User|Alex95}} - Per all. | |||
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Tucayo}} - Per all. | |||
#{{User|Tails777}} - Per Toadette the Achiever. | |||
#{{User|John Denver Fan}} - Per Yoshi the SSM | |||
#{{User|MarioComix}} - Per Yoshi the SSM | |||
#{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} <small><small>No real purpose in voting since this option will inevitably pass anyway, but...</small></small> Per all. | |||
#{{User|Kolafloro}} ''Per all.'' | |||
#{{User|Owencrazyboy9}} Per all. | |||
===Include only information common in both games=== | |||
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} There are enough similarities from the parallel development to be noted in its own page for a more general overview. | |||
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} See above | |||
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per all. The two games are more similar with each other than the Mario & Sonic different versions, which have different dream events, different story mode (though you could argue their classic is different), etc. Like, especially for the fighter's and item's sections for each respective article, which Mario & Sonic characters don't even share the same stats. | |||
===Keep it as it is=== | |||
===Comments=== | |||
Shouldn't this also have an option to change into a disambiguation page, since it's still very likely to be searched for? {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 06:44, 11 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
:I've already explained this in the "Delete this page" point. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 07:10, 11 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
::Okay, thanks very much. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 09:04, 11 June 2018 (EDT) | |||