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Is it the galaxy featured in this image: | Is it the galaxy featured in this image: | ||
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Or the galaxy featured in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PfrhrnEue8 this video]: | Or the galaxy featured in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PfrhrnEue8 this video]: | ||
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::Well then the section title should probably be changed. The current title suggests that the enemies listed are enemies new to the Mario series, and similar sections on other articles (Such as the "New Enemies" section on the page for New Super Mario Bros.) only use the section for that purpose. There should at least be a note saying that the enemies are new to the Mario Galaxy series and not the Mario series as a whole.--[[User:Kirbychu HR'D|Kirbychu HR'D]] | ::Well then the section title should probably be changed. The current title suggests that the enemies listed are enemies new to the Mario series, and similar sections on other articles (Such as the "New Enemies" section on the page for New Super Mario Bros.) only use the section for that purpose. There should at least be a note saying that the enemies are new to the Mario Galaxy series and not the Mario series as a whole.--[[User:Kirbychu HR'D|Kirbychu HR'D]] | ||
:::I think people realize the section does not pertain to the Mario series as a whole, since the returning enemies section features enemies found only in the first Galaxy. {{User|Mario4Ever}} | :::I think people realize the section does not pertain to the Mario series as a whole, since the returning enemies section features enemies found only in the first Galaxy. {{User|Mario4Ever}} | ||
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I mean Enemies hich have never appeared in the Super Mario Galaxy series,but have appeared in previous mario games. Such as, Hammer Bros and Fuzzies are not brand new enemies,but they are new to the SMG series. | I mean Enemies hich have never appeared in the Super Mario Galaxy series,but have appeared in previous mario games. Such as, Hammer Bros and Fuzzies are not brand new enemies,but they are new to the SMG series. | ||
{{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}} | {{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}} | ||
== About the title... == | |||
I've heard, and seen that if you take every letter with a star nearby, you get U R Mr Gay. {{User:Iggy Koopa Jr/sig}} 12:11, 24 July 2013 (EDT) | |||
== Tables == | |||
I think about removing the Xs in the table like in [[Mario Kart (series)]] {{User:Tsunami/sig}} | |||
== Wrong Table Headings and Missing Column == | |||
In section "Prankster Comets", "Episode Title" in the table heading should be "Comet Type", while "Based on" should be "Episode Title". Column "Based on" is actually absent from the whole table. [[User:Hippopo|Hippopo]] ([[User talk:Hippopo|talk]]) | |||
:Edited the names (it does sound a lot better that way), thanks for pointing that out. I might put the "Based on" column in later. - [[User:Turboo|Turboo]] ([[User talk:Turboo|talk]]) 03:26, 23 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Really a sequel == | |||
While it's true that many, even those at Nintendo, claim Mario Galaxy 2 to be a sequel, by definition, I don't believe Mario Galaxy 2 qualifies as a true sequel to the first game. Nothing in games makes reference to the first game, no events mentioned, the game treats it as Mario's first time in outer space, no Lumas recognize Mario. None of it lives up to the true definition of the word "sequel". I can provide some sources for this, based on the development of the game, though I can't say for sure if they count as truly reliable. | |||
http://www.infendo.com/super-mario-galaxy-2-not-a-true-number-2/ | |||
And in the Iwata Asks about the game (http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/wii/supermariogalaxy2/0/0), Miyamoto even stats that the game was not named Galaxy 2 out of means for being a sequel, but more for the fact that more than enough new elements were put in to say it's not a follow up, but something almost new. | |||
So I simply ask; can it really be called a sequel by definition or are we going to list it off as a sequel based on the similar idea and name? I personally don't find it correct to call it a sequel if it doesn't really act like one. {{User:Tails777/sig}} | |||
:Unless you want to start targeting every one of the series' sequels (NSMB to NSMB2, SMB to SMB2 to SMB3 to SMW, etc.), it seems rather pedantic to say that a game with a 2 in its title isn't a sequel. Say what you want about what Nintendo considers the game to be or whether or not it's substantial enough to warrant being separate, but the fact is that we got a game titled in a way that sequels are titled, so I'd rather apply Occam's Razor. Also, the game's numerous characters, abilities, items, aesthetic, and general gameplay are all incredibly evocative of its predecessor, so saying that nothing references the first game is rather misleading. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} | |||
::I'm not saying nothing references the first game. Everything you listed is pretty much taken directly from the first game. I'm simply saying that stuff like the plot and how characters interact or react to one another don't support the game being a sequel. Though you have a point regarding the games you listed (NSMB2 has actually been called the direct sequel to the first NSMB if I recall and I believe some elements of Mario World's story do reference back to Mario Bros. 3), the only arguable one is SMB to SMB2, which don't really say the events happen directly after the other. Maybe I'm just complicating things, but I guess it could be simpler just to say it's a sequel to avoid confusion. {{User:Tails777/sig}} | |||
:::I'm pretty sure the reason [[Super Mario Galaxy|Galaxy 1]] isn't mentioned is because of it's ending. Remember that the universe recreated in that epic scene. Therefore, no one remembers [[Mario]]'s previous adventures in space, except Mario and [[Rosalina]], as they were in some sort of sanctuary watching the universe be recreated. And yes, this is the basis for a speculative theory, but while the theory itself cannot be mentioned on the wiki, the basis for it is pretty solid, I think. If this is too speculative, please disregard it at once. I guess what I'm saying is I would consider this a sequel, not least because of the 2 in its title. | |||
:::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 10:37, 7 November 2016 (EST) | |||
::::Question, would not you consider Dream Team a sequel also because of its lack of continuity? Does a sequel ''need'' some continuity to be a sequel? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 10:40, 7 November 2016 (EST) | |||
:::::Going strictly by definition, a sequel is "A published, broadcast, or recorded work that continues the story or develops the theme of an earlier one." There are other definitions that fall more in line with what I discussed above, but this is usually the most common definition. The keyword there is "story": if a work doesn't follow the narrative of a preceding work, it can be argued that it isn't actually a sequel. Of course, I think that definition is too strict, especially for the wiki's purposes, but I'm playing devil's advocate. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 11:55, 7 November 2016 (EST) | |||
::::::Due to the lack of continuity in the [[Mario (franchise)|Mario franchise]], I don't think the definition [[User:Time Turner|Time Turner]] gives is valid. In this franchise, a sequel is a game succeeding another game with a similar name/theme. But even if it somehow does apply to the wiki, see my previous comment. | |||
:::::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 13:14, 7 November 2016 (EST) | |||
::::::::But you ''can'' argue that it's a sequel since it does "develop the theme of an earlier one". Within the scope of video games, there is little doubt this is a sequel. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 18:01, 7 November 2016 (EST) | |||
== Mixed up character descriptions == | |||
In the characters section, Captain Toad has Luigi's description, and Bowser has Captian Toad's. I'd edit it myself, but the page is locked for me.--[[User:LittleLum|LittleLum]] ([[User talk:LittleLum|talk]]) 21:41, April 22, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:Fixed, thanks for pointing it out. You should be able to [[MarioWiki:Autoconfirmed users|edit semiprotected pages]] after two more edits. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 21:51, April 22, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Placement of Secret Missions (barring Green Stars) vs Prankster Comet Missions compared to SMG1 and Color-Code the Missions == | |||
I noticed for galaxies that have both a secret mission and a prankster comet mission, the order of the missions here list the secret mission before the prankster comet mission. Yet, the images of the galaxies clearly show the secret missions after the prankster comet missions. This was not contradictory for the galaxy list for the prequel, which also listed the secret star mission or missions after both prankster comet missions on both the wiki and the in-game star list. I was just curious as to what prompted this and if it was necessary to change them? Also, could the missions be color-coded like the mission list for the first game? Thanks, --[[User:Crafty Potatoes|Crafty Potatoes]] ([[User talk:Crafty Potatoes|talk]]) 09:20, August 4, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:Edit: I noticed some stars did follow the pattern of putting the prankster comet mission before the secret mission, while others don't. I'll see if I can try to fix it or wait for someone else who can. --[[User:Crafty Potatoes|Crafty Potatoes]] ([[User talk:Crafty Potatoes|talk]]) 09:25, August 4, 2020 (EDT) | |||
== RIghtside Down Power-Ups == | |||
In the [[Super_Mario_Galaxy_2#Power-up_locations|Power-up locations table]], Rightside Down's Fire Flower is listed as only appearing in the Hidden Star. In-game, you have to use it in the first star of the level. Could someone please fix this? Thanks in advance. [[User:CjhMC|CjhMC]] ([[User talk:CjhMC|talk]]) | |||
:Just noticed that, Star 1 has been added to the table. {{User:Zaku/sig}} 13:11, March 27, 2022 (EDT) | |||