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 ==Merge with Super Star==
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 #{{User|MarioKid}} Per my proposal
 #{{User|LudwigVon}} - Unless there are good reasons for their separation from the  Super Star except the different color and name, I think it is a good idea that it should merge with Super Star, in my opinion the developers of [[Super Mario Galaxy]] (and [[Super Mario Galaxy 2|SMG2]]) chose to change the style to avoid that the player may have confusion between the [[Super Star]] and [[Power Star]], since they have a similar style. We have RPG items merge together despite the name difference and have the same effect (from what I know: [[Turtley Leaf]], [[Chocolate Cake]] and [[Fried Shroom Plate]] (Fried Shroom and Shroom Fry have the same effect for the last one). So, the same logics should also be used here.
-#{{User|AfternoonLight}} That is indeed a great idea. Per both!
 #{{User|Wildgoosespeeder}} Merge [[Rainbow Mario]] with [[Invincible Mario]] as well.
 #{{User|Reboot}}. If it's the name that's in question, are we going to split Star, Starman and Super Star from [[Super Star]], depending on what the manuals for a particular game called them? Or how about the flashing version of the star (with Can-Can music) from ''[[Super Mario Land]]'' - Super Stars don't usually flash (although the Rainbow Star kinda does).
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 #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} There actually is a fairly major difference between Invincible Mario and Rainbow Mario - the latter also expels Star Bits for every enemy collision (granted, you can also do this by spinning and knocking into certain enemies, but that's not always an option). This can be more easily observed and proven if you take Rainbow Mario to other areas. In addition to the universal name and appearance change, I believe that's reason enough to remain separate.
 #{{User|Chocolate Mario}} Per all.
+#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} Though I supported a merge last time, this time, I'm more inclined to keeping them split. This proposal both has good points, but when in doubt, generally it's better to have little articles than have a big article on everything, in my opinion. Keeping the Rainbow Star split helps with search results and gives readers a bit to read about, so I think it's overall a harmless article that can stay.
+#{{User|Andymii}} Per all.
+#{{User|AfternoonLight}} Per all!
+#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
+#{{User|Fawful's Minion}} No I don't think so because they're two completely different items.
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 :::::::::Also, Wildgoosespeeder, I think I'm not experienced enough in this wiki to handle 2 proposals at the same time. Think you could hold the TPP for merging the forms? [[File:MP8Mario.png|25px]][[User:MarioKid|MarioKid]] ([[User talk:MarioKid|Talk]]) [[File:Luigi mp8 profile.png|25px]] 20:00, 1 May 2016 (EDT)
 ::::::::::Yes, supporting your stance automatically makes the wiki better. Except it doesn't. Why do you think this article got split in the first place? It's because of users who want to improve the wiki, when people like me oppose your proposal it's not "hurr durr I'm going to destroy this wiki because I hate you", it's because your proposal has flaws. As for your sig, your signature should display as <nowiki>{{User:MarioKid/sig}}</nowiki> rather than this coding. Create a subpage for that, and follow [[Help:Signature|these instructions]]. As for voting, who cares what the majority thinks, vote on what you think is good rather than blindly following everyone else. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 22:48, 1 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::::::::::How the sig looks in the code doesn't matter. Also, the articles were split because of people who think they should be split because of the tiniest, tiniest, differences. The forms aren't different at all anyway, it's 2 extremely similar objects that change Mario into the exact same form. Once this proposal is done, I wouldn't be suprised at all if you started a TPP for spliting the Super Mushroom from SM64DS from the Mega Mushroom, those 2 are as different as the Rainbow Star and Super Star. If you want to improve the wiki, then stop opposing the proposal. The wiki will altogether be better with the articles merged. [[File:MP8Mario.png|25px]][[User:MarioKid|MarioKid]] ([[User talk:MarioKid|Talk]]) [[File:Luigi mp8 profile.png|25px]] 15:00, 2 May 2016 (EDT)
+::::::::::::"How the sig looks in the code doesn't matter". [[MarioWiki:Signatures|It]] [[Help:Signature|does]]. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 15:05, 2 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::::::::::::Why? [[File:MP8Mario.png|25px]][[User:MarioKid|MarioKid]] ([[User talk:MarioKid|Talk]]) [[File:Luigi mp8 profile.png|25px]] 15:31, 2 May 2016 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::MarioKid, the Mega Mushroom from SM64DS and the one from NSMB are one and the same. It's stated that the one in SM64DS is just an early prototype. Those are the same items, whereas the Rainbow Star and Super Star are not. And yes, the code in sigs matter, apparently. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:40, 2 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::::::::::::::Yes, the Rainbow Star and Super Star are basically the same item, Rainbow Mario and Invincible Mario also don't deserve different articles, because doing that is basically just having 2 differently named articles both for the same form. [[File:MP8Mario.png|25px]][[User:MarioKid|MarioKid]] ([[User talk:MarioKid|Talk]]) [[File:Luigi mp8 profile.png|25px]] 16:45, 2 May 2016 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::::"Basically" doesn't signify anything. They aren't the same item or form, just the same function. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:48, 2 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::::::::::::::::I don't even know why I said "basically", they are EXACTLY the same thing, the items are stars that make Mario invincible, the forms are rainbow-coloured invincible Marios, simple as that. [[File:MP8Mario.png|25px]][[User:MarioKid|MarioKid]] ([[User talk:MarioKid|Talk]]) [[File:Luigi mp8 profile.png|25px]] 17:10, 2 May 2016 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::::::The argument that "both are stars, therefore they are the same" isn't very strong. Mario power-ups are almost always some type of Mushroom, Star, or Flower, and I'd think you'd agree from splitting obviously different power-ups such the [[Ice Flower]] and the [[Fire Flower]]. You argue that the two may have very similar functions, but to look at it practically: the Rainbow Star is the Galaxy variant of a Super Star. Not an evolution (like Bloober to Blooper), but an actual new item, like how the [[1-Up Heart]] is the Game Boy variant of the [[1-Up Mushroom]]. --[[User:Andymii|Andymii]] ([[User talk:Andymii|talk]]) 17:31, 3 May 2016 (EDT)
+For clarity, I think the primary focus of the article talking about the items that grant invincibility in the [[Mario (franchise)]] ([[Super Star]] and [[Rainbow Star]]) should be the fundamental property that they change about [[Mario]]/[[Luigi]]/[[Peach]]/[[Toad (character)]]/[[Rosalina]] (temporary immunity to enemy damage) and not the secondary effects ([[1-Up]]s vs. [[Star Bit]]s granted, color changes, etc.). --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 18:29, 3 May 2016 (EDT)
+:[[Invincibility]] could probably use an article here, but I feel like [[Invincible Mario]] is a specific power-up rather than a general mechanic. The stuff dealing with invincibility in general (like in the Mario Kart series) should be reserved for the general invincibility article. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 14:10, 5 May 2016 (EDT)
+::What is going to be more commonly looked up? Why split, repeat ourselves in multiple articles, and make articles more obscure? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 17:13, 9 May 2016 (EDT)
+@Andymii: I wasn't just saying they are stars, they are both stars ''that make you invincible''. There is absolutely no point in them having seperate articles. [[File:MP8Mario.png|25px]][[User:MarioKid|MarioKid]] ([[User talk:MarioKid|Talk]]) [[File:Luigi mp8 profile.png|25px]] 19:11, 5 May 2016 (EDT)
+:The bottom line is that the Rainbow Star was clearly designed to be a different power-up, NOT an evolution. Think about it. All games before and after the Galaxy games use the Super Star. If we're merging games because they have the same function, then we might as well merge (as I said) the [[1-Up Heart]] with the [[1-Up Mushroom]] or the [[Flower (Super Mario Land)|Flower]] from ''Super Mario Land'' with the [[Fire Flower]]. Keeping with our goal as an encyclopedia, we have a page for every individual item, no matter how similar. --[[User:Andymii|Andymii]] ([[User talk:Andymii|talk]]) 12:58, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
+::The [[Extra Life]] power-ups, you got me there. [[Superball Mario]] and [[Fire Mario]] differ because the [[Fireball]] bounces along the ground while the [[Superball]] is unaffected by gravity. This next point is a bit of a theoretical stretch but in [[Switchblack Ruins]], a Superball can't be used to light a torch like a Fireball can because of what the projectile is made of. The [[Super Star]] and [[Rainbow Star]] don't differ other than how they appear in-game. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 17:13, 9 May 2016 (EDT)
+:I know it plays the same song but they're not really the same. It's just a coincidence seeing that [[Super Mario Galaxy|Galaxy]] needed an invincibility item among the wide verity of power-ups already in the game. {{User:Fawful's Minion/sig}} 21:27, 12 May 2016 (EDT)