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== Is Prima really all it's glory? == | == Is Prima really all it's glory? == | ||
Now we all know that Prima is pretty good. But in a few places across this wiki I've seen some of you saying something like, "The Prima guide states this name, so that's official." But I want to say that Prima gets quite a few things wrong, like: The Mario Kart Wii guide says in several places that you can actually place Shells on the track so that they are stationary. If you just play the game a little bit you can find that this isn't true. The Super Mario Galaxy 2 guide doesn't even mention [[Amps]], and calls the [[Scuttlebug]]s "Spoings" and "Spanglers", and the Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story guide doesn't say anything about [[Bowser X]]. Just saying. [[File:DarkBowserBIS.png|35px]][[User:DarkBowser777|<span style="font-family:serif;color:darkblue">DarkBowser777</span>]]([[User talk:DarkBowser777|talk]])[[File:Dreamy Bowser idle.png|35px]] 21:22, 2 March 2017 (EST) | Now we all know that Prima is pretty good. But in a few places across this wiki I've seen some of you saying something like, "The Prima guide states this name, so that's official." But I want to say that Prima gets quite a few things wrong, like: The Mario Kart Wii guide says in several places that you can actually place Shells on the track so that they are stationary. If you just play the game a little bit you can find that this isn't true. The Super Mario Galaxy 2 guide doesn't even mention [[Amps]], and calls the [[Scuttlebug]]s "Spoings" and "Spanglers", and the Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story guide doesn't say anything about [[Bowser X]]. Just saying. [[File:DarkBowserBIS.png|35px]][[User:DarkBowser777|<span style="font-family:serif;color:darkblue">DarkBowser777</span>]]([[User talk:DarkBowser777|talk]])[[File:Dreamy Bowser idle.png|35px]] 21:22, 2 March 2017 (EST) | ||
:Prima guides are filled with errors, but they're licensed material. Prima can be wrong about the game mechanics of Mario Kart Wii but it can't be "wrong" about the names of [[Sir Domino]] or [[Heavy Para-Beetle]] when no other material give name for those things. Hence why it's usable (and mostly used) for sourcing names. <br> <br> That's my take on it at least. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 22:20, 2 March 2017 (EST) | :Prima guides are filled with errors, but they're licensed material. Prima can be wrong about the game mechanics of Mario Kart Wii but it can't be "wrong" about the names of [[Sir Domino]] or [[Heavy Para-Beetle]] when no other material give name for those things. Hence why it's usable (and mostly used) for sourcing names. <br> <br> That's my take on it at least. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 22:20, 2 March 2017 (EST) | ||
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::::::::::The goal is to distrust Prima, but right now, not enough evidence to support the claim that it is unreliable and action to discontinue it as a reliable source. It might not even be true. That's why I am requesting getting as much data on suspected errors as possible. This is going to take a long time. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 18:17, 23 August 2017 (EDT) | ::::::::::The goal is to distrust Prima, but right now, not enough evidence to support the claim that it is unreliable and action to discontinue it as a reliable source. It might not even be true. That's why I am requesting getting as much data on suspected errors as possible. This is going to take a long time. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 18:17, 23 August 2017 (EDT) | ||
:::::::::::As someone who owns and has read through plenty of guides from both groups, that's a pointless endeavor. Both of them are as prone to human error as everything else, and by the end of it, the amount of errors on both sides will be roughly equal to each other. And no, I am not going to go through each guide and count everything. I already have enough projects on my plate. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:21, 23 August 2017 (EDT) | :::::::::::As someone who owns and has read through plenty of guides from both groups, that's a pointless endeavor. Both of them are as prone to human error as everything else, and by the end of it, the amount of errors on both sides will be roughly equal to each other. And no, I am not going to go through each guide and count everything. I already have enough projects on my plate. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:21, 23 August 2017 (EDT) | ||
::::::::::::I'm not asking you specifically. Anyone that has Prima Guides. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 18:23, 23 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::::::::::Again, it's pointless, and I say this as someone who is plenty familiar with the guides - more so than you, if I may be so presumptuous. I'm reasonably sure that other people familiar with the guides would agree. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:29, 23 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::::::::::I see no reason to distrust them because they make mistakes. That'd be like ignoring the good faith aspect of this wiki. Perhaps there wasn't an actual official in-game name for somethings, like the King Bill for example, and they just made their best guess on it. That's not a mistake. Confusing, yes, but not a mistake. A mistake is something like the Green Shell example above, saying you can place them on tracks. Obviously, they didn't do research on that one. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:22, 23 August 2017 (EDT) | ::::::::::::I see no reason to distrust them because they make mistakes. That'd be like ignoring the good faith aspect of this wiki. Perhaps there wasn't an actual official in-game name for somethings, like the King Bill for example, and they just made their best guess on it. That's not a mistake. Confusing, yes, but not a mistake. A mistake is something like the Green Shell example above, saying you can place them on tracks. Obviously, they didn't do research on that one. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:22, 23 August 2017 (EDT) | ||
:::::::::::::Per Alex and Time Turner. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 18:23, 23 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::::::::::::Per Alex, Turner, and Chomp. Human error occurring every now and again doesn't mean they are immediately and irrevocably untrustworthy on every single subject that has nothing to corroborate it. And still, I've seen worse errors on this very site, for instance the "Other Appearances" section of the [[Thwomp]] article was outright ''wrong'' to the point that it was pretty clear someone had just made some things up, and remained like that ''for years'' until I finally fixed it. Not to mention official sites, for instance the official ''[[Wario Land 3]]'' website calls [[Octohon]] a "squid" and [[Mad Scienstein]] friendly. And also implies that [[Tadpole (Wario Land 3)|Tadpole]] looks like Elmo. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 17:39, 23 August 2017 (CT) | |||
:::::::::::::::I think the best action to take is to just use your judgment. If an error is the only available source for the name, we should list it, because people will definitely search that here. If there is a correct name that Prima misnamed, it should mentioned in the article and redirected to it. Ultimately, I also say we should keep Prima as a source, as it's still an officially licensed one. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 20:02, 23 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Eshop Starter guide == | |||
I cannot find this on the Eshop, is this actually a thing? {{user|MightyMario}} | |||
== Images == | |||
Should someone add a disclaimer stating that images for the Super Mario 3D World and Smash 4 guides are needed? I find it odd that there aren't images for either of the two despite being mentioned on the page itself.{{unsigned|Murphmario}} | |||