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Hmmm....poop.I'm supposing using the curse word 4 it as a redirect will lead to an instant ban?This article is a troll's paradise...{{User:Ninja Yoshi/sig}}
Hmmm....poop.I'm supposing using the curse word 4 it as a redirect will lead to an instant ban?This article is a troll's paradise...{{User:Ninja Yoshi/sig}}


I agree with NY. I think this page should be protected so only autoconfirmed users can edit it due to it's likeliness to be spammed. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User talk:Yoshario|Y]]'''oshario'''</font></span>[[Image:Yoshi_wearing_mario's hat.jpg|30px]]
I agree with NY. I think this page should be protected so only autoconfirmed users can edit it due to it's likeliness to be spammed. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User talk:Yoshario|Y]]'''oshario'''</font></span>[[File:Yoshi Mario Hat SM64DS.png|30px]]


I thought you HAD TO BE A USER to edit any pages.U mean spammer IP users?{{User:Ninja Yoshi/sig}}
I thought you HAD TO BE A USER to edit any pages.U mean spammer IP users?{{User:Ninja Yoshi/sig}}
:I think it means all ''new'' users can't edit the article (their account has to be a few days old first). I'll protect it now. Also, pertaining to your first question, "shit" ''is'' used in ''Conker's Bad Fur Day'', but I'm not sure if that's significant enough to warrant a redirect. Even so, not making it yourself is a smart move, as it might seem sorta shifty. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 18:32, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
:I think it means all ''new'' users can't edit the article (their account has to be a few days old first). I'll protect it now. Also, pertaining to your first question, "shit" ''is'' used in ''Conker's Bad Fur Day'', but I'm not sure if that's significant enough to warrant a redirect. Even so, not making it yourself is a smart move, as it might seem sorta shifty. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 18:32, 26 March 2009 (EDT)


I wouldn't use that expletive around the wiki due to the fact that I expect we may very young users browsing this wiki and since a proposal passed that banned swearing. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User talk:Yoshario|Y]]'''oshario'''</font></span>[[Image:Yoshi_wearing_mario's hat.jpg|30px]]
I wouldn't use that expletive around the wiki due to the fact that I expect we may very young users browsing this wiki and since a proposal passed that banned swearing. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User talk:Yoshario|Y]]'''oshario'''</font></span>[[File:Yoshi Mario Hat SM64DS.png|30px]]


"The Giant Poo Monster" (As it's called) in Bad Fur Day is made of "****" but since it's also called "poo", poo should maybe be a redirect.{{User:Ninja Yoshi/sig}}
"The Giant Poo Monster" (As it's called) in Bad Fur Day is made of "****" but since it's also called "poo", poo should maybe be a redirect.{{User:Ninja Yoshi/sig}}
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Uhm...I got an image of the POOP in Made in Wario. [http://www.mariowiki.com/Image:MadeinWarioPoop.png] <---HERE [[User:Wolfenpilot687]] 03:29, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
Uhm...I got an image of the POOP in Made in Wario. [http://www.mariowiki.com/Image:MadeinWarioPoop.png] <---HERE [[User:Wolfenpilot687]] 03:29, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
Well, The page for Arty Wario says fecal matter, so don't delete
{{unsigned|Waluigi men are as weoseme}}


==History==
==History==
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==Delete==
==Delete==
{{SettledTPP}}
{{SettledTPP}}
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DON'T DELETE 4-14</span>
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|4-14|don't delete}}
 
I say we delete this article because it is not a specific topic, item, ect. If unneeded objects are getting articles then we should have an article on air since that actually plays a role in some games, sort of works like an item, it allows Mario to be underwater without drowning of lack of air since it replenishes his air intake.
I say we delete this article because it is not a specific topic, item, ect. If unneeded objects are getting articles then we should have an article on air since that actually plays a role in some games, sort of works like an item, it allows Mario to be underwater without drowning of lack of air since it replenishes his air intake.


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==Delete the page==
==Delete the page==
{{TPP}}
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{{ProposalOutcome|passed|13-10|delete}}
I think this article is pointless, and it is a big target for vandals. Even with Semi-Protection, we can just merge the content with the WarioWare article and a user who is autoconfirmed can still vandalize it if they "secretly" act like a good user until autoconfirmation. It just doesn't seem like an appropriate page for a wiki like this.  
I think this article is pointless, and it is a big target for vandals. Even with Semi-Protection, we can just merge the content with the WarioWare article and a user who is autoconfirmed can still vandalize it if they "secretly" act like a good user until autoconfirmation. It just doesn't seem like an appropriate page for a wiki like this.  


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#{{User|Baby Luigi}} The article is clearly padded out. How come the other objects Arty Wario can draw don't get their own articles? Honestly, I think this article is better off merged with Arty Wario's article, since that's the only purpose it serves: a projectile used specifically by Arty Wario to defeat some things.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} The article is clearly padded out. How come the other objects Arty Wario can draw don't get their own articles? Honestly, I think this article is better off merged with Arty Wario's article, since that's the only purpose it serves: a projectile used specifically by Arty Wario to defeat some things.
#{{User|Glowsquid}} - Per Baby Luigi in the comments. The WarioWare twisted censorship can be mentioned on an eventual regional differences on that game's page (which really needfs to happen, as that game got quite changed up during localization).
#{{User|Glowsquid}} - Per Baby Luigi in the comments. The WarioWare twisted censorship can be mentioned on an eventual regional differences on that game's page (which really needfs to happen, as that game got quite changed up during localization).
#{{User|Time Turner}} This article is just a conglomeration of appearances of poop that barely relate to one other besides the fact that they're poop. It seems really unnecessary to just list all of the appearances of an object that coincidentally happens to show up in a couple of games. Per all.
#{{User|Coooool123}} ...Why... does this page even exist?? Per all! This is so pointless to have.
#{{User|Lord Grammaticus}} Per Mario and Baby Luigi, as while I agree with the need for deletion, the original reasoning behind the proposal is extremely flawed and fails to account for the general purpose of vandalism and the fact that being a more frequent target indicates nothing else regarding the page itself.
#{{User|Rouge2}} I think it pointless article on it's own plus it's in very poor taste.
#{{User|MegaKoopa}} I always thought of this page as ridiculous. Get rid of it.
#{{user|Gonzales Kart Inc.}} Per Mario.
#{{User|Icemario}} Per Mario's comments.
#{{User|Magikrazy}} I'm changing my stance. Per the others.
#{{User|SeanWheeler}} It's literally shit!


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#{{User|Marshal Dan Troop}} Per previous proposal.
#{{User|Marshal Dan Troop}} Per previous proposal.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per the old proposal and discussions. The ''WarioWare'' censorship matter is quite interesting and worth writing about, and I still say the ''Wario: Master of Disguise'' stuff also gives the Poop article a valid reason to exist; I'd rather see pages made for Arty Wario's other items than see this deleted. And who ''cares'' if it's a target for vandals? The entire wiki's a target just by existing. Edits can be deleted with the push of a button; the only harm that ''would'' come of it is if ''we'' caved in and deleted perfectly valid information because of a few dumb trolls.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per the old proposal and discussions. The ''WarioWare'' censorship matter is quite interesting and worth writing about, and I still say the ''Wario: Master of Disguise'' stuff also gives the Poop article a valid reason to exist; I'd rather see pages made for Arty Wario's other items than see this deleted. And who ''cares'' if it's a target for vandals? The entire wiki's a target just by existing. Edits can be deleted with the push of a button; the only harm that ''would'' come of it is if ''we'' caved in and deleted perfectly valid information because of a few dumb trolls.
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per Walkazo.
#{{User|Iggy Koopa Jr}} Who is going to bother waiting autoconfirmation in order to vandalize 1 page, when there are about 10000 other? Per Walkazo, nobody cares if it is a target. reverting isn't that hard. Per all.
#{{User|Tails777}} Ironic how I'm opposing it's delete since I supported it last time, but per Walkazo's reason here and the last proposal.
#{{User|YoshiPickle}} Per all.
#{{User|Mario7}} It is what is is. Just because the name of this article isn't great, we shouldn't delete it. According to this logic, if there was a new character called "Pee," there should not be an article created for the character. This is a wiki (with the '''goal being to provide information'''), and we are not going to take away an article because of its name. Per all.
#{{User|Young Master Luma}} Per old proposal, mostly. One possible solution would be a rewrite where insignificant appearances take up less space than slightly more important ones - see my comment.
#{{User|Phoenix}} Per Walkazo.


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:Well, something could be said on [[Block]] about how he makes blocks, and it's not clear on the [[Arty Wario]] page what the Heart even does to begin with. Plus, the Poop's censored in more than one microgame in more than one game (and then interestingly, is not censored in other games), so it's not ''just'' something that can be taken and placed somewhere else succinctly, it's a collection of info. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 18:48, 23 February 2014 (EST)
:Well, something could be said on [[Block]] about how he makes blocks, and it's not clear on the [[Arty Wario]] page what the Heart even does to begin with. Plus, the Poop's censored in more than one microgame in more than one game (and then interestingly, is not censored in other games), so it's not ''just'' something that can be taken and placed somewhere else succinctly, it's a collection of info. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 18:48, 23 February 2014 (EST)
::We can have a very brief mention of it in the Block article. Just because Arty Wario doesn't elaborate on what the heart does doesn't mean that the projectile can get its own page. And again, we shouldn't create an article about a frequently censored/altered object due to different cultures (the censoring is not limited to Mario/Wario games either). As Glowsquid said, we can list it as part of the regional differences. {{User:Mario/sig}} 18:55, 23 February 2014 (EST)
::We can have a very brief mention of it in the Block article. Just because Arty Wario doesn't elaborate on what the heart does doesn't mean that the projectile can get its own page. And again, we shouldn't create an article about a frequently censored/altered object due to different cultures (the censoring is not limited to Mario/Wario games either). As Glowsquid said, we can list it as part of the regional differences. {{User:Mario/sig}} 18:55, 23 February 2014 (EST)
:::What I meant was, that maybe the Heart ''is'' worthy of a page - the Arty Wario coverage is so poor, you can't tell either way. And the censorship stuff is more like extra info, with the living ''W:MoD'' poop being the main reason for the page's relevance. I really fail to see the appeal of of deleting this page: it's not a generic subject, it's not a stub, it compiles info from various sources so it's not just an empty rehash, and last I checked, the idea was more the merrier when it comes to pages... - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 11:21, 25 February 2014 (EST)
::::Um, I don't know about you, but I think poop is a pretty generic subject since the article itself just links all the times where it appears and they barely relate to each other. The only relevance it has is a projectile in Wario: Master of Disguise and even then, the description in Arty Wario article is much better than what is presented here. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 20:20, 25 February 2014 (EST)
::::Besides, I don't think this page serves any practical purpose (who's going to search for poop in a MarioWiki, wondering what exactly it does? And those looking for more details about Arty Wario's projectiles will search for Arty Wario, not poop). Poop serves a self-explanatory purpose: of course you have to avoid it, of course you have to direct it to the toilet, and of course the crowd will be chased away from it. It's like [[Flower]] getting significant information from a ''Super Mario 64 DS'' [[Loves Me...?|minigame]] and a ''Mario Party Advance'' [[Love Me Not|minigame]], like people are wondering what a flower does. Oh, and Daisy uses flowers in her attacks. If it weren't for Flowers being a collectible for the ''Yoshi's Island'' games, Flower shouldn't get its own article. Most of this article ''is'' about a generic subject, being a loose conglomeration of appearances of poop in WarioWare games mostly. I don't see how Poop is so significant. All it does is be one of the many minor projectiles of Arty Wario and being removed in some microgames. {{User:Mario/sig}} 15:05, 26 February 2014 (EST)
Why would we have a page like this on a MARIO wiki? This isn't a site about poop! Besides, it does seem like a good idea to merge with Arty Wario powerups. {{User:Epic Rosalina/sig}} 16:27, 26 February 2014 (EST)
:Does that matter? We can have an article on vomit and flatulence just as long as it serves a meaningful gameplay purpose. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 20:38, 27 February 2014 (EST)
::You're looking at this from the wrong angle; you shouldn't want to delete an article because of what it ''is'', you should want to delete an article because of what purpose it ''serves''. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
Still, if it doesn't have a purpose, then it can be deleted. {{User:Epic Rosalina/sig}} 20:43, 27 February 2014 (EST)
:That's why I'm supporting it. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 20:44, 27 February 2014 (EST)
::And that's the point that several of us are making. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
The article says that it appears in Super Mario-Kun, how much of a role does it play in that? {{User|Yoshi876}}
:I'd assume that it just shows up for sight gags and funny background events. Nothing really major. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
::Yeah, it does. {{User:Mario/sig}} 13:58, 4 March 2014 (EST)
General consensus seems to be that the generic things (poop making insignificant appearances game mechanically or story-wise) take the back seat compared to Arty Wario's usage of it. One possible solution would be re-writing the article to focus more on just that, wouldn't it? The other appearances could be formatted as notes, or as smaller entries in a dedicated "appearances" section. {{User:Young Master Luma/sig}} 23:59, 4 March 2014 (EST)
:The problem is that, my strongest reason for removing it, is that Arty Wario's article already covers it in a better fashion than this article so it would be redundant. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 00:17, 5 March 2014 (EST)
::Then perhaps ''that'' is a problem. This article should, of course, cover the details of exactly what poop does / is better than the article for Arty Wario. Then again, if that information would never exceed stub length, it might fit better in the Arty Wario article in the first place... {{User:Young Master Luma/sig}} 00:15, 4 March 2014 (EST)
:::Well, Arty Wario's article nearly perfectly explains what the Poop projectile does, as other projectiles he creates (which do not get their own articles for some reason). By the way, that's not a definition of a stub: a stub is an article that lacks sufficient information. Most stub articles are stubs, yes, but not all short articles such as some Paper Mario items are stubs. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 00:30, 5 March 2014 (EST)
::::Of course - I should have mentioned that it might've been an article so insignificant that it might've been better merged with Arty Wario instead of mentioning "stub length". Right now it seems to parlty be a case of the Arty Wario information keeping everything else in the article, and everything else keeping the Arty Wario information in the article. {{User:Young Master Luma/sig}} 13:55, 5 March 2014 (EST)
I think we should delete this article for the same reason we don't have a page for "bone", for example: it is the projectile of [[Dry Bones]], [[Dull Bones]], it is in the [[Snack Orb]], it has appeared in many minigames ([[Chomp Walker]], [[Throw Me a Bone]]), microgames, it appears as platforms in ''[[Super Mario World]]'', it is what many enemies are made of, it is an area in ''[[Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story]]'', etc. Having all this ''almost completely unrelated'' information in one page would make it cluttered just like this page is. [[File:SPM KoopaTroopa.png|35px]] [[User:MegaKoopa|<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:18px; color:#302b7a;">MegaKoopa</span>]] [[User talk: MegaKoopa|<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:10px; color:#496dd1;">Talk</span>]] 21:03, 5 March 2014 (EST)
:@MegaKoopa I wouldn't even say it's ''almost'' unrelated, it's all related in some way. The info all centers around the same character and his own series: Wario. The info is talking about its role in the micro games and it's use when Artsy Wario creates it. I mean we've got articles about items that explains the different uses it has ([[Green Shell]], [[Mushroom]] etc), this is no different. Seems legit enough to me. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
::Whereas Green Shells and Mushrooms are ''Mario'' objects that have appeared in numerous games with a similar function, poop is just a generic item that has appeared in some microgames and happens to be one of Arty Wario's many projectiles. The biggest distinction between poop and Mushrooms and Green Shells is that the Mushroom and Green Shell are a ''Mario'' object while poop definitely isn't a ''Mario'' nor a ''Wario'' object. There isn't a huge variety of poop either, nor does any poop have a proper name (such as Flying Fire Poop). It's like [[Pizza]] getting its own article because of its appearances and its role (it's one of the many healing food items in ''Super Smash Bros.'') and it appeared in a lot of minigames). {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:19, 5 March 2014 (EST)