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What is the official source for this name? -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] | What is the official source for this name? -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] | ||
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For reference, three out of four official English guides simply refer to the creature as the "Manta" (with generic "manta" references in Nintendo Power). The closest mention otherwise is in the Versus Books guide, where page 78 concludes with "''It′s all over for the Manta Storm.''" The ''Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour'' and ''Mario Golf: Advance Tour'' leaderboards use "Phantamanta" as a default name, but that may warrant investigating the Japanese versions' equivalent text just like Gooble. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:12, May 16, 2019 (EDT) | For reference, three out of four official English guides simply refer to the creature as the "Manta" (with generic "manta" references in Nintendo Power). The closest mention otherwise is in the Versus Books guide, where page 78 concludes with "''It′s all over for the Manta Storm.''" The ''Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour'' and ''Mario Golf: Advance Tour'' leaderboards use "Phantamanta" as a default name, but that may warrant investigating the Japanese versions' equivalent text just like Gooble. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:12, May 16, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:I vaguely recall the name being used in game by one of the Piantas, but I could be misremembering. My GameCube's kaput and YouTube's no help, so I can't check myself. ...I could be thinking of the Mario Golf scoresheet. | :I vaguely recall the name being used in game by one of the Piantas, but I could be misremembering. My GameCube's kaput and YouTube's no help, so I can't check myself. ...I could be thinking of the Mario Golf scoresheet. | ||
:Internal filename can also be looked at. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:09, May 16, 2019 (EDT) | :Internal filename can also be looked at. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:09, May 16, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::The closest mention is that it's called a "''giant manta-shaped......thing''" by the hotel manager, but internally, it's "manta" (<tt>root/data/scene/sirena0.szs/manta</tt>). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:43, May 16, 2019 (EDT) | ::The closest mention is that it's called a "''giant manta-shaped......thing''" by the hotel manager, but internally, it's "manta" (<tt>root/data/scene/sirena0.szs/scene/manta</tt>). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:43, May 16, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:::Personally I would say that it should be referred to as Manta over Phantamanta, or Manta Storm as the game's mission states. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 12:25, May 16, 2019 (EDT) | :::Personally I would say that it should be referred to as Manta over Phantamanta, or Manta Storm as the game's mission states. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 12:25, May 16, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::::The mission's name isn't necessarily the boss's name, though. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 12:35, May 16, 2019 (EDT) | ::::The mission's name isn't necessarily the boss's name, though. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 12:35, May 16, 2019 (EDT) | ||
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:::::::::Let's get more consensus. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 14:20, May 16, 2019 (EDT) | :::::::::Let's get more consensus. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 14:20, May 16, 2019 (EDT) | ||
The name in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O4KZw-lhkE&t=3m25s Japanese version] is plain Manta. However, this doesn't indicate which manta was intended, as the manta from ''Super Mario Sunshine'' shares the same name as the manta from ''Super Mario 64'' (note that the score there also mentions several enemies from both games as well as at least one that appeared in neither). It's possible that the localizer only presumed it was meant to be the one from ''Super Mario Sunshine'' or just made up a name on the spot (for example, Toadsworth became Toadster, likely by coincidence). In that case, the question is if an indirect mention like this counts in naming the article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:06, May 16, 2019 (EDT) | The name in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O4KZw-lhkE&t=3m25s Japanese version] is plain Manta. However, this doesn't indicate which manta was intended, as the manta from ''Super Mario Sunshine'' shares the same name as the manta from ''Super Mario 64'' (note that the score there also mentions several enemies from both games as well as at least one that appeared in neither). It's possible that the localizer only presumed it was meant to be the one from ''Super Mario Sunshine'' or just made up a name on the spot (for example, Toadsworth became Toadster, likely by coincidence). In that case, the question is if an indirect mention like this counts in naming the article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:06, May 16, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:I'd say as long as the translation was done in-house, it should count. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:11, May 16, 2019 (EDT) | |||
::Yeah, this should count as an official name imo. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 01:44, May 17, 2019 (EDT) | |||
: The ''3D All-Stars'' soundtrack feature for the game labels its boss fight music as "Phantamanta". It's canon. [[User:8BrickMario]] | |||
::"Canon" means "a set of guidelines for creating works," by the way... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:31, October 6, 2020 (EDT) | |||