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== Split Mushrooms based on their Roles == | == Split Mushrooms based on their Roles == | ||
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Okay, so this page has seen its fair share of proposals. But given the ongoing [[Talk:Golden Mushroom#Split this page's distinct items|proposal concerning the Golden Mushrooms]] and the recent [[Talk:Super Mushroom#Merge Super Mushroom (healing item) here|Super Mushroom proposal]], I feel confident throwing this idea out there; splitting this big Mushroom into smaller Mushrooms based on their roles. So far, this page is covering the standard Mushroom as a healing item, an extra dice block and a boosting item. The Golden Mushroom is currently seeing a similar, if not the same, situation and I feel it's fine to apply it here too. I'm thinking at least three different articles for these Mushrooms, as followed: | Okay, so this page has seen its fair share of proposals. But given the ongoing [[Talk:Golden Mushroom#Split this page's distinct items|proposal concerning the Golden Mushrooms]] and the recent [[Talk:Super Mushroom#Merge Super Mushroom (healing item) here|Super Mushroom proposal]], I feel confident throwing this idea out there; splitting this big Mushroom into smaller Mushrooms based on their roles. So far, this page is covering the standard Mushroom as a healing item, an extra dice block and a boosting item. The Golden Mushroom is currently seeing a similar, if not the same, situation and I feel it's fine to apply it here too. I'm thinking at least three different articles for these Mushrooms, as followed: | ||
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===Oppose=== | ===Oppose=== | ||
#{{User|Keyblade Master}} We don't usually split items just because of functionality (especially if the games are different genres), as far as I'm aware these mushrooms have the same name and appearances between the games, most of these even the same basic effect of healing so I don't mind keeping it on the same page. The Golden Mushroom situation on the other hand is to do with the types having different names in Japan. | #{{User|Keyblade Master}} We don't usually split items just because of functionality (especially if the games are different genres), as far as I'm aware these mushrooms have the same name and appearances between the games, most of these even the same basic effect of healing so I don't mind keeping it on the same page. The Golden Mushroom situation on the other hand is to do with the types having different names in Japan. | ||
#{{User|Somethingone}} Are we seriously going to | #{{User|Somethingone}} Are we seriously going to disambiguate every single item page just because they have different functions? I was originally on the fence with the Golden Mushroom one but I was convinced after the whole “different name and style” thing, but this is just going too far. These mushrooms look exactly the same and they don’t have a different name. We shouldn’t split items just because the game series they are in has different mechanics from other game series that they are also in. What’s next? Splitting Banana Peel from Banana because one is a hazard? Splitting the Mario Kart coins because they increase the player’s speed? Splitting the SM3DW Shells because you can ride them? It’s really unnecessary. Unless they have an actual difference that DOESN’T tie to the game they are in having a different genre/style, They should stay merged. | ||
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Completely arbitrary, per all. Also, regarding the MK series one, [[Talk:Dash Mushroom|please see here]]. | |||
#{{User|Hewer}} Personally, I think that most if not all of this page should be merged to the Super Mushroom page for similar reasons to Somethingone's vote, and I feel like this proposal passing would make the problem of random iterations of the Super Mushroom being picked and chosen to be on different pages worse. | |||
#{{User|7feetunder}} I'm just going to quote what I said [[Talk:Super Mushroom#Merge Super Mushroom (healing item) and the old Mario Party Golden Mushroom?|here]]: ''"You might as well say that [[Blue Coin]]s from Super Mario Sunshine should be split because that's the only game where they're a finite collectible instead of being worth 1 or 5 regular coins, or [[Warp Pipe Orb]]s from Mario Party 7 should be split for having a different function from the previous games. Or that [[Shine Sprite]]s in Thousand-Year Door should be split because they aren't used to power up partners in any other game. Difference in function alone, especially between games in different genres, does not warrant a split."'' | |||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
@Hewer I think merging this whole page with Super Mushroom would just clutter it a bit too much. [[Talk:Piranha Plant#Fire-spitting Piranha Plants|This discussion]] basically shows the road we should take for this sort of thing. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 15:26, July 23, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:My viewpoint is that the mushrooms on the Mushroom page are Super Mushrooms with different effects for different genres (I don't think it's a coincidence that most of them look exactly the same), and some of them being called 'Mushroom' while others are called 'Super Mushroom' I don't think is a very good distinction (if [[Talk:Super Mushroom#Merge Super Mushroom (healing item) here|this proposal]] passes, then some healing mushrooms in RPGs would be on the Mushroom page and others would be on the Super Mushroom page, simply because of the names). There are also much bigger name differences than Super Mushroom and Mushroom that are merged (for example, [[Boss Bass]], [[Big Bertha]] and [[Big Cheep Cheep]] are all merged). At most I might consider splitting Dash Mushroom for its effect difference seemingly being very loosely based (if at all) on the Super Mushroom's effect and its unique name, but even that is pushing it. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 16:09, July 23, 2021 (EDT) | |||
::In the RPGs at least, Mushrooms and Super Mushrooms appear together and are treated as seperate items. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 16:17, July 23, 2021 (EDT) | |||
@Doc von Schmeltwick: I wouldn't say this is arbitrary, I'd just say I'm thinking of the situation in the reverse. I'm not saying either or is right or wrong and I went into this thinking if it fails, it fails, no big deal. I just see this in a different light. I didn't go into this without any thought, I just went in with a different perspective, that's all. {{User:Tails777/sig}} | |||