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== Should we split the ''Mario & Luigi'' Presenters from Monty Moles? == | == Should we split the ''Mario & Luigi'' Presenters from Monty Moles? == | ||
It turns out that the moles introduced in ''[[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga]]'' have a unique Japanese name as well: {{media link|MLRPG NOG Presenter.png|''Presenters'' (「プレゼンター」)}}. Considering their peculiar appearance, name and role in the games, should we split them from Monty Moles?--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 19:42, March 29, 2019 (EDT) | It turns out that the moles introduced in ''[[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga]]'' have a unique Japanese name as well: {{media link|MLRPG NOG Presenter.png|''Presenters'' (「プレゼンター」)}}. Considering their peculiar appearance, name and role in the games, should we split them from Monty Moles?--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 19:42, March 29, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:I wouldn't mind that too much. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 20:54, March 29, 2019 (EDT) | :I wouldn't mind that too much. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 20:54, March 29, 2019 (EDT) | ||
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:::::::These are the answers I'd give you right now, others can feel free to provide their own view, of course.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 20:00, March 30, 2019 (EDT) | :::::::These are the answers I'd give you right now, others can feel free to provide their own view, of course.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 20:00, March 30, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::::::::Though, we already have two pages using the most usable generic descriptor possible. We have [[thorny flower]] and [[rubbery bulb]]. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 07:03, April 1, 2019 (EDT) | ::::::::Though, we already have two pages using the most usable generic descriptor possible. We have [[thorny flower]] and [[rubbery bulb]]. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 07:03, April 1, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:::::::::These are different cases, due to the choices available, all of which are generic common names rather than more specific names. In any case, to be clear, I made the discussion using the ''Presenter'' name just because that name is consistent with the name proposed in the [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Monty_Mole&type=revision&diff=2625830&oldid=2618799 template] and because that name is allowed. As I said before, ''mole'' is a valid name as well, a discussion and a proposal to use said name are both allowed once the page is created. We can also use ''mole'' right away, if everyone agrees on that. I'm personally neutral on the point of the name, as I'm more interested on whether the page should be made or not. As last point, in case there are doubts because of [[MarioWiki:Proposals#Change the source priority exception to a more case-by-case basis|the new proposal]], keep in mind that ''Presenter'' comes from a guide, not an internal filename, thus falling outside of the scope of said proposal as it is currently written.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 09:47, April 1, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::::::::::I'm neutral on Presenter, given that i know that it doesn't come from an internal filename. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 09:54, April 1, 2019 (EDT) | |||
::::::::::::My stance on file names isn't that they're automatically out, I just don't like them being used as proof for saying that something is something else that it isn't, as they generally represent a period of early development for an entity. For instance, rubbery bulb is not a mushroom in the final game. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:23, April 1, 2019 (EDT) | |||
::::::::::::::You also (much like me) don't like them being used to say that some of them are a subject's english name, while it's actually romanized. What do you think about cases like the "Beamer" enemies Anyways, this is getting off-topic, as well are talking about wether to split these Monty Moles or not. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:09, April 1, 2019 (EDT) | |||
If there aren't major issues, I think the following days I might create a page for the Presenters, basically following the content of the section we alraedy have as starting point (althoguh if I have time I'd add the sprites at least).--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 21:42, April 8, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:In the end, I [[Presenter|created the page]]. Sorry for the double uploads of sprites, by the way.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 21:04, April 10, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Paper Mario series == | |||
The ''Super Paper Mario'' and ''Paper Mario: Sticker Star'' sections only talk about the fact that they are unused enemies and do not appear at all in normal gameplay. Should those be moved to Trivia or should a "other appearences" section be made? Or do we leave it as is? [[User:Mario Sakuraba|Mario Sakuraba]] ([[User talk:Mario Sakuraba|talk]]) 11:52, June 13, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:Per [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 54#Determine how to handle unused appearances|this proposal]], scrapped/unused content should be put in an "Other appearances" section. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:08, June 13, 2020 (EDT) | |||
==Quote== | |||
So, can the main quote be changed to this? It talks more about Monty Moles considering the main thing about them is that they're moles. | |||
{{quote|You never know what you're gonna find when you you start diggin'. That's what I love about it!|Monty Mole|Paper Mario: The Origami King}} --[[User:Magma.|Magma.]] ([[User talk:Magma.|talk]]) 21:40, February 19, 2021 (EST) | |||
:I think the current one doesn't fit them too well, this one does much better. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 22:00, February 19, 2021 (EST) | |||
== Super Mario Sunshine Monty Moles == | |||
Should the Monty Moles from Super Mario Sunshine have their own page since they unique from normal Monty Moles? Also Monty Tank has a separate page so why not the Sunshine Monty Moles? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 01:45, September 28, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:It's hard to say, [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/character/mario/archives/sunshine/ the official Japanese names list states that they are currently considered Monty Moles], and effectively ''Super Mario Sunshine'' is notorious for its off-model designs, this being retroactively explained by Nintendo as stemming from the fact that they derive from the graffiti of Bowser Jr.. Keep in mind that we have Monty Tank separate because it's a boss. The only reason to split would be their different role, in case if you think the role is enough to warrant a split and the discussion here goes nowhere, you can make a proposal.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 19:24, September 28, 2021 (EDT) | |||
Wait the Mario Sunshine Monty Moles are from Bowser Jr.’s graffiti? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 20:11, September 28, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:Pretty much every enemy from Super Mario Sunshine is. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 20:12, September 28, 2021 (EDT) | |||
Also the Mario Sunshine Monty Moles are bosses to [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 20:12, September 28, 2021 (EDT) | |||
Also wasn’t that confirmed in the Japanese Super Mario Encyclopedia (Which maybe includes the bosses as well) [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 20:14, September 28, 2021 (EDT) | |||
Also should something saying that the Mario Sunshine Monty Moles are Bowser Jr.’s graffiti be added? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 20:21, September 28, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:I think it would be redundant when it applies to everything, and I'm not sure I would consider these moles bosses. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 20:27, September 28, 2021 (EDT) | |||
Also wondering about the fact that the Sunshine Monty Moles return in Mario Power Tennis with the Gamecube/GBA era design? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 22:38, September 28, 2021 (EDT) | |||
And also would it be better if the Mario Sunshine Monty Moles are notable members? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 18:16, September 29, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Super Mario Sunshine Monty Moles: The Proposal == | |||
{{SettledTPP}} | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-6|don't split}} | |||
Should the Super Mario Sunshine Monty Moles be considered notable members to Monty Moles and getting their own page (Like Monty Tank). Or should they stay as is and just be on the Monty Mole page. | |||
(Support is choosing the former option and opposing is choosing the latter option.) | |||
(Also this is my first proposal so any fixes to grammar and such are welcome.) | |||
'''Proposer''': [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]])<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': October 13, 2021, 23:59 GMT | |||
===Support=== | |||
#{{user|MontyMoleLoreMaster}} - They have enough differences and are original enough to feel like they should get their own page as unique Monty Moles (The Mario Sunshine Wiggler also has their own page so why not the Mario Sunshine Monty Moles). | |||
===Oppose=== | |||
#{{user|7feetunder}} ''SMS'' Wiggler is a bad example. It's Japanese name is "[[Wiggler (Super Mario Sunshine)#Names in other languages|Boss Hana-chan]]", meaning "Boss Wiggler", so it's actually a "boss" variant along the lines of [[Boss Brolder]] or [[Boss Sumo Bro]]. We split it because of that, not just because it looks different than a normal Wiggler. ''SMS'' Monty Moles are just Monty Moles, and their design isn't even that far off from their usual design compared to other enemies' ''SMS'' incarnations. | |||
#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per 7feetunder. I'd also like to note that while the "Chorobe" developmental name seems to indicate it was a variant/notable at some point in the design process, in the finished product, it is treated simply as a Monty Mole/''Choropoo''. | |||
#{{User|Swallow}} Monty Tank isn't a good example either since that has its own name in both Japanese and English and is a notable individual. Per all. | |||
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Sdman213}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all. | |||
===Comments=== | |||
Thanks for the feedback but the polls aren’t over yet. Also sorry for the bad examples. Also also I was wondering your thoughts with the Mario Power Tennis Monty Moles in cannons? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 18:27, September 30, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:If anything that's just further proof they're the same. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:31, September 30, 2021 (EDT) | |||
It seems like the page will stay the same so the polls will probably come to a end shortly [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 19:05, September 30, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Warioware Touched? == | |||
For some reason Warioware Touched! is in the related articles for Monty Mole yet I never seen any Monty Moles in that game? Mind if someone explains where Monty Mole is in that game? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 19:09, September 30, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:In the intro, Wario plays a whack-a-mole game on his DS, and it uses Monty Moles. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 09:32, October 1, 2021 (EDT) | |||
Is it confirmed that their Monty Moles or no? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 11:36, October 1, 2021 (EDT) | |||
Since those moles looked pretty generic and didn’t really look like Monty Moles. [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 11:39, October 1, 2021 (EDT) | |||
Also about the previous question and I was wondering where Monty Mole is in Flown The Koopa (Yes Mega Mole appears but what about Monty Mole)? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 09:21, October 2, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:These questions are starting to stray from the real purpose of these talk pages a bit, which is to discuss article changes. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 09:52, October 2, 2021 (EDT) | |||
Oh sorry about that [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 16:32, October 2, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Origami King Shopkeepers == | |||
Should the Monty Mole Shopkeeper in Breezy Tunnel from Origami King get their own page (Like Monty Mole auctioneer) [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 16:34, October 2, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:I'm honestly not sure why Monty Moles and their variants are the only species you're paying attention to here, but we haven't split any shopkeepers from this game because they're not significant enough. You may want to see [[MarioWiki:Minor NPCs]] regarding that. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 16:44, October 2, 2021 (EDT) | |||
::Actually, we have already split [[Monty Mole auctioneer]] and [[Fortune Toad]]. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 05:42, October 3, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:::Those are not generic shopkeepers. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 05:47, October 3, 2021 (EDT) | |||
Sorry I’m just a Monty Mole fan and mainly know info on Monty Moles you know [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 17:42, October 2, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Breezy Tunnel dialogue == | |||
Do the Monty Moles in Breezy Tunnel have completely different dialogue in the Japanese version of the game? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 23:32, October 4, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:I shouldn't think so, and I don't see how that even matters. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 05:48, October 5, 2021 (EDT) | |||
Sorry I was just thinking that new lore would be said in the Japanese versions. Know anyone who is open to translating Japanese stuff? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 18:21, October 5, 2021 (EDT) | |||
I have a link to some of the Japanese dialogue here: https://www.marioboards.com/threads/44397/. What did it say? Also the dialogue seems different since the final line is a question. [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 18:40, October 21, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Super Mario-kun Update == | |||
Major News! I’m adding info for Monty Mole species in the Super Mario-kun manga. I need help from people to be able to translate the pages, so I don’t get any wrong names and also have additional info. I will add other Mario Manga in the future but for now it will just be Super Mario-kun. If I missed a appearance please let me know (I check frequently so I will most likely see it). Also any volumes I haven’t wrote yet don’t add the info late, I will add the info eventually, I’m just doing one volume at a time (unless of course I skip past a volume). And finally all the pages (physically and digitally) I know with Monty Mole species will be linked here: https://mega.nz/fm/jKZXCYiQ. If I miss any additional pages that or for info on other enemies use this link for other scans: https://mega.nz/folder/wYxW2SID#GewBp2sKOScNOFbR8PLr5w/folder/ERRSSJLB. Any questions or translations will be helpful and welcome. I hope you enjoy the new info [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 22:14, October 5, 2021 (EDT) | |||
Should the Monty Mole Stone Spirits get their own article? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 21:30, October 8, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Consider Wether Or Not The Moles In The Opening Of Warioware Touched! Are Monty Moles == | |||
{{SettledTPP}} | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|no quorum|3-0-0}} | |||
Some people, say that the moles in Warioware Touched! are Monty Moles. So I made this to see how many people agree or disagree on this. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|MontyMoleLoreMaster}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': November 9, 2021, 23:59 GMT | |||
===Option 1: The moles seen in the opening for Warioware Touched! are generic moles unrelated to Monty Mole.=== | |||
#{{User|MontyMoleLoreMaster}} I think the biggest reason on why they seem to be generic moles, is because they are only listed as moles in the credits and not credited as Monty Moles. Monty Moles have been referred to generic names in the past, but they still kept a design that still resembled them. The moles here look extremely generic with the only thing they have in common with Monty Mole is the fur color I guess? Besides that, they just seem to be generic moles only used for the intro to the game. Warioware has used generic moles like in the microgame [[Hit Parade (WarioWare: Smooth Moves)|Hit Parade]] from WarioWare: Smooth Moves (ironically the mole there looks more like Monty Mole then the ones in this opening. Still very generic, but they at least have a little more resemblance). I would also want to point out that the MarioWiki made a major misconception for years saying the moles in Super Mario Galaxy were Monty Moles or a species to them, despite nothing claiming them being the exact same or related besides a few similarities and Undergrunt Gunner’s German name. Of course this has been resolved, but this can prove that we shouldn’t say generic moles like this are Monty Moles. NES Open Tournament Golf gets a pass since the Mole there has more resemblance to Monty Mole, and it being referenced in the KC Mario volume for the game. I know Rocky Wrench did appear in Warioware Gold, but that was way more obvious. So yeah, I think the moles in Warioware Tocuhed! are just some generic moles that have little to no resemblance to Monty Mole. I don’t think a few moles that only appeared in a short cutscene that bare little resemblance to Monty Mole should be classified as them. | |||
#{{User|Hewer}} I for some reason remembered these moles looking much more like Monty Moles than they actually do, but after checking again, they probably are just generic moles given their generic design and generic name in the credits. | |||
#{{User|Somethingone}} Per MMLM. | |||
===Option 2: The moles seen in the opening for Warioware Touched! are in fact Monty Moles.=== | |||
===Option 3: You have no opinion on this and don’t care on which answer is picked.=== | |||
===Comments=== | |||
I don't really think Option 3 is necessary, since people who don't care don't have a reason to vote. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 05:41, October 27, 2021 (EDT) | |||
Is this really necessary? Those WarioWare Touched moles already are not on this page and the question doesn't appear to have been seriously brought up here or in the article's history. TPPs are meant to settle disagreements regarding article contents, not be public opinion polls. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 11:08, October 28, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:I believe this proposal was made because the WarioWare Touched navbox is on the article. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 08:22, October 29, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Mario Party 4 == | |||
Monty Mole’s encyclopedia entry in Mario Party Superstars says that they appeared in Mario Party 4. It says it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJM9kVvVOlI. Does anyone have info for if Monty Mole appeared in Mario Party 4 or not? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 18:34, October 28, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:Good question, I have an [[Talk:Snufit#Reopening a can of worms + Yurei Mucho name source.|interest]] in knowing too. From the look of things, this is either a mistake or an obscure cameo like the Swoop in ''Mario Party 3''. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:41, October 29, 2021 (EDT) | |||
Try looking through every board or something that shows descriptions of characters. That might be where Monty Mole is. [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 20:01, October 29, 2021 (EDT) | |||
I still can’t find info on Monty Mole being in Mario Party 4. Do you guys think it is a error or a very obscure cameo? Also should I make a purposel for this? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 12:37, October 31, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:There's nothing to even make a proposal on, either Monty Mole appears somewhere in Mario Party 4 or it's a mistake in Superstars. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 13:04, October 31, 2021 (EDT) | |||
My best guess is that Monty Mole either had a name drop in a Minigame or bio somewhere, or they appear somewhere in a board. What do you guys think? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 13:33, October 31, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:You know, longplay videos of the game are available on YouTube. If you really want to find out, you can watch those videos. Or, take our word for it. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 13:55, October 31, 2021 (EDT) | |||
I'm pretty sure something like that would have already been covered on the article by now if it was true. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 14:25, October 31, 2021 (EDT) | |||
Well we did miss games like Mario is Missing!, Mario and Sonic at the 2012 London Olympic Games, Game & Watch Gallery 1 & 2, etc. So maybe it could have been a very obscure cameo we have never seen before. Should Mario Party 4 at least be put into the Trivia page since it is at least somewhat noteworthy to mention? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 14:53, October 31, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:I'd say a brief mention in the Superstars section is enough for now unless we do find out for sure. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 14:57, October 31, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Choppah == | |||
Choppah’s German name calls them Heli-Monty which is similar to Monty Mole (same with Undergrunt Gunner having the exact same German name as Monty Mole in Super Mario Galaxy 2 for some reason). What should we do about this? Do you think this was just a coincidence or mistranslation, or are they actually related to Monty Mole? (a proposal can be made here to discuss this further). (also I personally think that Choppah and Undergrunt Gunner are unrelated to Monty Mole but I would like to hear what you guys think). [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 21:30, November 7, 2021 (EST) | |||
== Masato Mizuta == | |||
So I believe that Masato Mizuta is the current voice actor for Monty Mole, but what was the first game where they voiced Monty Mole (I don’t actually know)? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 01:14, November 15, 2021 (EST) | |||
== 4koma Manga Formatting == | |||
Should 4koma manga be formatted for each strip being spaced out or all strips in the volume being in one section like with other Mario Manga sections? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 22:34, December 7, 2021 (EST) | |||
:Pages that are too verbose are not useful, most readers will just skip the walls of text. If you can summarize the topic of each 4koma in one sentence it's better, in most cases you can't properly describe the usual 4koma joke through descriptions anyway.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 07:20, December 8, 2021 (EST) | |||
== Mario Sunshine Monty Mole (again) == | |||
So the Prima Guide and Bradygames guide suggests that both the Noki Bay and Pinna Park Monty Moles are the same character. Does this mean that they are the same character? If so, does this mean they could possibly get their own page? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 11:41, December 10, 2021 (EST) | |||
:The problem is that said claim doesn't have particularly solid ground, [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/character/mario/archives/sunshine/ with the Monty Mole not having a unique name in Japanese]. Since ''Super Mario Sunshine'' has those particular designs and roles, the two might even be meant to be the standard Monty Moles of the game rather than a peculiar individual.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 22:00, December 10, 2021 (EST) | |||
::Also the Prima Guide says that the Monty Mole brought the cannon with him, yet in-game it is stated that they stole it (at least for Pinna Park). So did they bring a cannon or steal one? This also applies to the Noki Bay one to. And when I was referring to the Monty Mole being considered a character for both of their fights, I mean that the Prima Guide says "Combat is the same as the last time you faced him", suggesting that this is the same Monty Mole from Pinna Park. The Bradygames guidebook has a section titled "Chorobe is back", which suggest that the Monty Mole in Pinna Park has returned. This could also make since for them being their own cannon in Noki Bay. Anyways, what do you think about this, and could this mean that this Monty Mole could get their own page as a notable member? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 20:27, December 13, 2021 (EST) | |||
:::In the case of ''Super Mario Sunshine'', the Nintendo Power guide has the priority, if it doesn't agree in this point, we can at best leave a mention in the section that the two English guides state that. At the moment I can't check the Nintendo Official Guidebook to see if it stated something on this aspect.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 07:21, December 14, 2021 (EST) | |||
== Ghost Monty Moles and Monty Mole king == | |||
If I made a page for Ghost Monty Mole, should I merge the volume 4 and volume 55 ones as the same type of Ghost Monty Mole? Also, is it ok to say an implied character like the Monty Mole king to be a notable member of the Monty Mole species (like Watt’s Mother with Lil Sparky)? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 12:53, December 11, 2021 (EST) | |||
== Tetris 99 == | |||
So where was Monty Mole's appearance in Tetris 99? Was it reused artwork from Mario Party Superstars? If so, please send a screenshot. [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 14:35, December 14, 2021 (EST) | |||
Nevermind, the Monty Mole burrow can be seen on the screenshot they took. [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 14:42, December 14, 2021 (EST) | |||