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::Ice Block's always been bothersome to me, I mean, SMB3 section has throwable and platform. Anyways, I think the fact that the JP manual goes beyond retexturing and literally calls it "Brick Block" makes that argument really shaky. Also, it can be argued that they can only be broken from below while under the effects of the Super Mushroom, which ''is'' normal. And while the Super Mushroom itself is nonstandard in this game, it's decently similar to SMG's Fire Flower in that manner. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:03, May 24, 2020 (EDT) | ::Ice Block's always been bothersome to me, I mean, SMB3 section has throwable and platform. Anyways, I think the fact that the JP manual goes beyond retexturing and literally calls it "Brick Block" makes that argument really shaky. Also, it can be argued that they can only be broken from below while under the effects of the Super Mushroom, which ''is'' normal. And while the Super Mushroom itself is nonstandard in this game, it's decently similar to SMG's Fire Flower in that manner. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:03, May 24, 2020 (EDT) | ||
:::[https://m1.nintendo.net/docvc/NTR/JPN/ASMJ/ASMJ_J.pdf Technically,] the Japanese manual refers to it as レンガ (''Renga'', Brick), not レンガブロック (''Renga Burokku'', Brick Block), just like the English version. Admittedly, "''renga''" was the name used in the Japanese ''Super Mario Bros.'' manual, but it seems rather odd that they would modernize the game by using an ancient name that not even ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' would remember. Although "brick" was the name used in English versions of the older ''Mario'' series manuals as late as ''New Super Mario Bros.'', but in Japan, it was consistently ''Renga Burokku'' since at least ''Super Mario Bros. 3''. Also, the mushroom breaks any normal block upon touch, including Ice, Crazed Crate, and the pushable block. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:59, May 24, 2020 (EDT) | :::[https://m1.nintendo.net/docvc/NTR/JPN/ASMJ/ASMJ_J.pdf Technically,] the Japanese manual refers to it as レンガ (''Renga'', Brick), not レンガブロック (''Renga Burokku'', Brick Block), just like the English version. Admittedly, "''renga''" was the name used in the Japanese ''Super Mario Bros.'' manual, but it seems rather odd that they would modernize the game by using an ancient name that not even ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' would remember. Although "brick" was the name used in English versions of the older ''Mario'' series manuals as late as ''New Super Mario Bros.'', but in Japan, it was consistently ''Renga Burokku'' since at least ''Super Mario Bros. 3''. Also, the mushroom breaks any normal block upon touch, including Ice, Crazed Crate, and the pushable block. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:59, May 24, 2020 (EDT) | ||
::::Must have misremembered, how silly of me. Regardless, the lack of a "Block" identifier is shared with Ice Block simply being "Ice," so to me it looks more like a way to avoid redundancy (since the above header does indeed call them all blocks). Not to mention they are not "bricks" themselves, but merely made from them. With crate again being an outlier, it looks more like "Block ''of'' Brick/Black Brick/Ice" to me. That being said, the fact that ! and ? Blocks are listed separate from them bears consideration (? with the switch and ! in an "other objects"-type section). Regardless, I consider this an alternative role given to Brick Block retroactively. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:22, May 24, 2020 (EDT) | ::::Must have misremembered, how silly of me. Regardless, the lack of a "Block" identifier is shared with Ice Block simply being "Ice," so to me it looks more like a way to avoid redundancy (since the above header does indeed call them all blocks). Not to mention they are not "bricks" themselves, but merely made from them. With crate again being an outlier, it looks more like "Block ''of'' Brick/Black Brick/Ice" to me. That being said, the fact that ! and ? Blocks are listed separate from them bears consideration (? with the switch and ! in an "other objects"-type section). Regardless, I consider this an alternative role given to Brick Block retroactively, even if it doesn't quite mesh with its typical properties. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:22, May 24, 2020 (EDT) | ||
Update: it seems you actually ''can'' break these things from the bottom if [https://youtu.be/_DWdkT8nX7I?t=7157 this] and [https://youtu.be/_DWdkT8nX7I?t=7387 this] are anything to go by (while it is a ROMhack, object properties are unchanged, merely their positions). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:49, October 20, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:You're probably right. I tried looking at the decomp to see what can destroy one of these blocks, and it seems to be: ground pounding, twirling(?), punching, kicking, and hitting from below. I think. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 16:21, December 2, 2023 (EST) | |||
::"Twirling" is probably the spin you get after jumping on a Spindrift/Fly Guy or get caught in a tornado. Anyways, I still think it'd make the most sense to move (at the very least) the 64DS info to Brick Block, particularly in light of all this. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:56, December 10, 2023 (EST) | |||