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 ==Birdo's Voice==
 How does Birdo get her voice back in Superstar Saga? She can speak as "Rookie", so how did she get it back? {{User:Plumber/sig}}
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 You could mention those two possibilities in the article, but say the real reason in not known for sure. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}
+There are many different Birdos, but that is most likely the one that we see commonly in spin-offs and in main-stream games. It may just be an error on Nintendo's side or Birdo could've got her voice back off-screen, as it wasn't that much of a huge plot-line. Or there is the possibility that Birdo can speak full-English and it was zapped away, making her only be able to speak in "Birdo" or "gibberish", where her name is one of the words she can say, but this most likely is not true. --[[User:Mariofan4eva|Mariofan4eva]] 12:09, 8 July 2012 (EDT)
 ==Characters and Species==
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 #[[User:javier12345|Javier12345]]:Like that is Toads article
 #{{User:SpikeKnifeNeedleSword/sig}} 21:25, 10 December 2007 (EST) I believe there is only one Birdo in SMB2 and that is the same one that appears in  later sports games. Her ring makes her stick out from other Birdos and although she has appeared in less games, she is more distinct than Toad.
-#[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] - Per all. But shouldn't we make this an official [[Special:Proposals|Proposal]]?
+#[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] - Per all. But shouldn't we make this an official [[MarioWiki:Proposals|Proposal]]?
 #{{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|Yoshi and Yoshi (species) are split up, so Birdo needs to be as well.}}
 #{{User:MegaMario9910/sig}} - My comment below.
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 # [[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 19:57, 10 December 2007 (EST) Well, the Birdo (character) is a Birdo (species), and if we move this one, we have to move Yoshi, etc.
-# http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif Per Son of Suns-we have no proof all those Birdos are the same. But we already moved Yoshi, Theryguy.
+# <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small> Per Son of Suns-we have no proof all those Birdos are the same. But we already moved Yoshi, Theryguy.
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 ==Birdo image==
 Can we use this for the first image???[[user:javier12345|Javier12345]]
-[[Image:MP8_Birdo.jpg|200px]]
+[[File:MP8 Birdo.png|200px]]
 ==Issue==
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 :"Strutzi" is definitely Birdo's Italian name. Look [http://youtube.com/watch?v=PxHPsqBIESE here] (0:15). It's ''Mario Party 7'' in Italian, and Toadsworth calls Birdo "Strutzi". I also wondered about the name, it surely has something to do with that mix-up. Anyone (Italian) here who could clear it up? --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:01, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 ::Now I'm unsure if the name really comes from "struzzo" (ostrich). Because I read the Italian name of [[Mona]]'s microgame set "Cute Cuts" in ''WarioWare: Touched!'', which is "Tocchi ''stuzzi''canti". They replaced "cute" with "stuzzicante". As I've read, this word means "appetizing" or "stimulating". Maybe it is used in a similar manner as the English "cute" to refer to "cute" people? It would be at least more likely to name Birdo/Catherine/Strutzi after a word like this than after "ostrich". Hum, I think only a native speaker of Italian could definitely say what Strutzi means. But I don't know any such a user here on MarioWiki. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:45, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
+I am actually part-Italian, but not that much. I do know that Goomba means "friend" in Italian, but that's pretty much all I know for Mario stuff. My grandfather told me that "strutzi" is actually bird and ostrich put together in English, so a pormanteau of the words, and he said it translates to "Birdostrich". Interestingly, if you take off "strich" in the English translation of Strutzi", you get Birdo. --[[User:Mariofan4eva|Mariofan4eva]] 12:13, 8 July 2012 (EDT)
 == Birdo  ==
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 "That bug is not Birdo!, Just look! That does not resemble Birdo, or has the same size as it or anything! Clearly it is a cheap copy and stupid! A Birdo does not have a human voice! There is a Birdo in Super Mario Advance that talks however that Birdo has a female voice! Understand?" {{User:Birdoshi/sig}}
+If I may?  Sorry to be quick, on my Wii.  Does the controversy matter?  If Birdo claims femininity, call Birdo a girl simply to run things smooth.  I mean, if you identified as a girl but weren't, you'd want to not be called a boy.  Follow the silver rule (treat others as they wish to be treated, foolishly second to "as you wish..." but whatever) and the controversy dissolves.
+Shrikeswind
+Mostly on the games Birdo is called a 'girl' back then when 'she' first came out she was considered a boy, but now like 2005 to 2012 birdo is considered a girl. {{unsigned|Birdoispink}}
 == Birdo in Captain Rainbow ==
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 :There's a big debate behind Birdo's gender.  In Japan, Birdo is named Catherine, and is indeed male.  The translation of the instruction manual was taken directly, but Nintendo of America seems to shy away on Birdo being a transvestite.  In some recent games, they've referred to Birdo as a female (Mario & Luigi called her "dame," and a few of the sports games, not to mention SMB2 for Advance), but other games use "gender indeterminate" or stick with the male version (Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Mario Strikers Charged, Captain Rainbow).  So really, it could go either way... America needs to sort it out and either confirm that Birdo is "female" (which wouldn't make sense anyway since the original Japanese character is male), or keep it a male, which would make it a very unique character in the world of video games (the first transvestite Nintendo character).  [[User:UrsulaBoi|UrsulaBoi]] 19:24, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 ::TMK has recently added a work-in-progress [http://themushroomkingdom.net/birdo.shtml Birdo special]. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:57, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
+:::This is a really easy solution, people - just use "it" like in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 16:14, 12 November 2008 (EST)
 == Trivia ==
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 So I looked up Wikipedia. But both in the main article for the anime and in the character list, the word "egg" is nowhere mentioned. So this trivia needs further explanation, if it is true. But if it is just an egg with pink dots, it could be coincidence. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 11:07, 4 September 2008 (EDT)
 :Especially because Birdo eggs are also traditional white eggs except in MK:DD.  Unless School Rumble has a history of making small references to video games and such, I'd say we should remove this. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 14:50, 4 September 2008 (EDT)
+== WHO is Birdo's Creator? ==
+I tried using google but it couldn't even find the answer to that question.
+You know, it would be Very Convenient to update every Character's Page to list it's Creator.
+Kinda like this:
+*Mario
+*"Picture"
+*Full Name: Mario Mario
+*First Appearance: Donkey Kong (1981)
+*Species: Human
+*Affiliation(s): Mushroom Kingdom
+*Latest Appearance: Mario Super Sluggers
+*++Created by: Shigeru Miyamoto++
+--[[User:Arima|Arima]] 22:39, 4 September 2008 (EDT)
+:As far as I know your best bet would be to look up the Super Mario Bros. 2 credits and find character design. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 00:21, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
+::Youtube may also have a video of the end credits. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 00:23, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
+Oh! I know!! her creator is: Shigeru Miyamoto, right? {{User:Birdoshi/sig}}
+:It's very possible, but game credits would say for sure. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 00:50, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
+== Featured Article! ==
+Her article is perrrfect!!! can be a featured article? {{User:Birdoshi/sig}}
+:Currently there is an improvement tag (the trivia section is too long). As long as it has this tag, it cannot be nominated. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 08:35, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
+Ok!, what do you think, now?, it is short and better {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} yeah?
+:Definitely better!  I think it's short enough to be featured now, but I can't say for sure I won't vote against it.  Don't worry, though, I promise to make my comments legitimate and work on them myself. ;3 {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:40, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
+Ok!  {{User:Birdoshi/sig}}
+== Artwork ==
+I've found her artwork from the menu: Captain Selection (Mario Super Sluggers) so.. can I put the pic?  {{User:Birdoshi/sig}}
+:Of course! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 12:14, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
+::You gotta be kidding me, Birdoshi! Are you referring to her "main" art for the captain selection, or the art we see on the loading screen before the game begins? - M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 12:45, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
+===The pictures! ===
+{{User:Birdoshi/sig}}
+<gallery>
+Image:Loading.png|<center>''[[Mario Super Sluggers]]''
+Image:Daisylololo.png|<center>''[[Mario Super Sluggers]]''
+Image:Peachlolo.png|<center>''[[Mario Super Sluggers]]''
+</gallery>
+The first one is edited...The other ones look fine tho. {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}
+Oh....  ;_;   {{User:Birdoshi/sig}}  ....  T_T
+:Hey but look on the bright side, those other 3 images are very useful :) {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}
+Ok! {{User:Birdoshi/sig}}
+==Grey Birdos?==
+On the page that shows the levels in SMB2, A Grey Birdo is labled as an enemy. As far as I know, there never was a grey one. Is there any proof of any? {{unsigned|Chaos}}
+Bye Bye dear Birdo!!!!! n_n  {{User:Birdoshi/sig}}
+==Birdo the Character?==
+I don't think we can say all of these appearances featured the same exact Birdo.  Instead we can say that there is a prominent pink Birdo in the Mario series just as there is a prominent Green Yoshi, although the actual Birdo or Yoshi could be different in different appearances. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}
+:I think a disclaimer statement to that effect would be fine.  Go for it. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:38, 22 December 2008 (EST)
+I found an image of birdo at mario and sonic at the olympic games. i'm a noob -_- so please don't say THIS IS THE WRONG FORUM D:<
+[IMG]http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j82/Mop_it_up/Official%20Nintendo%20Artwork/BirdoSkate.png[/IMG]
+:: The picture is a fake! It is not real, and all the characters are all pretty much confirmed! And, I think it ''is'' a wrong forum. {{User|Baby Mario Bloops}}
+== "It" is not correct ==
+I hate to bring this issue up yet again, but I did some research in response to the similar gender/pronoun trouble brought up on [[Talk:Vivian]], and I found that calling a transsexual (like Birdo) "it" is actually considered derogatory. According to the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, transsexuals should be identified with the gender ''they'' identifies ''themselves'' with (see [http://www.glaad.org/media/guide/transfocus.php here]), so Birdo should be called a "she" in the article. ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl'' may call Birdo an "it", but it's the exception, not the rule. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 19:38, 24 December 2008 (EST)
+:Yes exactly.  Birdo (or at least some of these Birdos) may be "biologically" male, but their gender is female, so "she" would be the proper pronoun. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}
+== Super Mario Advance ^,^ ==
+Well, this information, must be in this page:  http://www.mariowiki.com/Birdo_%28species%29  , right?  {{User:Birdoshi/sig}}
+== Changing colors? ==
+How is it possible that Birdo appears with different colors and abilities in each level? Is it a special power of hers, or are the Birdos in the game just generic Birdos? {{unsigned|Chaos}}
+:Well, [[Yoshi]] changes colours and abilities depending on what he eats (or encounters, as is the case with the wings that turn him blue in ''Super Mario World''), so it's possible Birdo can do the same. However, that's just speculation, so it can't be included in the article. As for whether or not they're all one Birdo or multiple Birdos, I'm not sure if that's ever been set in stone, to be honest; but I could be mistaken. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 22:50, 11 March 2009 (EDT)
+I think it might be possible that Birdo does possess the same ability, but, because it's never been stated, this is just speculation. I think the Super Mario Bros. 2 manual was labeling Birdo herself as an individual Birdo that appears, and wasn't trying to say that each Birdo is Birdo. {{unsigned|Chaos}}
+== Is Birdo evil, or does she happen to attack because of circumstance, like Petey Piranha? ==
+It never really said  that Birdo is evil, and she's been portrayed as a nice and peacful creature. She never seems to attack the Mario Bros. unless there's special circumstances, such as them attacking Popple, and Wart enslaving the creatures of Subcon and forcing them to work for him (which might include Birdo). In Mario RPG, she attacks Mario because she "wanted to play" and "didn't want to let Mario go", and she was raised as a weapon. (although she didn't turn out like one) {{unsigned|Chaos}}
+I think she's peaceful {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} n,n
+:In Mario & Luigi, he helps Peach out, but then later recognizes Mario and Luigi and seems to have a vendetta against them. This is her last appearance in a storyline-based game so far. I'm guessing it's situational, and Peach? Well, she's not one to make a lot of enemies anyway. Best to think of Birdo as a "neutral" character, like Wario (for the most part). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 12:33, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
+== Birdo's Gender  ==
+I Am so confused about birdos gender.I know that it was origionally known as a guy. I still believe birdos a girl but I'm wondering when this problem with birdos gender will end. I just hope the problem ends soon.
+{{unsigned|2centsteddy}}
+Don't worry {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} she's female :P
+:Male in Japan. Whatever you want it to be outside of Japan. There, hope that satisfies everybody. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 12:29, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
+Birdo,Birdo,Birdo. (it is repetitive). ''She'' is a good idea. {{unsigned|Linlin}}
+== Catherine or Katherine  ==
+I know.. that's her japanese name ,but what's the correct name? {{User:Birdoshi/sig}} ','
+The Japanese romaji says "Kyasarin". It can technically translate either way, as the pronunciation should be identical to what they're going for. However, if you really want to know which one is the "correct" one, Catherine seems to be the preferred English spelling as seen in Japanese materials. For example, the Mario Kart: Double Dash website (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ngc/gm4j/02.html) [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 12:50, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
+== The SMB2 image? ==
+I thought only the pink variation was seen in the solo artwork. Someone recolor it? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 12:51, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
+:I have never seen that artwork of Birdo in orange (Birdo is orange on the covers of ''Doki Doki Panic'' and ''Super Mario USA'', but the artwork looks different there). I asked the same question before, but nobody really seemed to know why. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 09:51, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
+==Gender?==
+Shouldn't it be "sex"? There really is no confusion on her gender, she identifies as female. Gender and sex are two different things [[User:NinjaCupcake|NinjaCupcake]] 14:38, 5 October 2009 (EDT)
+:Good point. The most appropriate title would be "Gender and Sex", since the section deals with both aspects of Birdo's sexuality, but my guess is that we've shied away from a "sex"-containing header because of the obvious homonym trouble. It's better to simply go with plain "Gender" and avoid all the complaints / edit wars as people try and change it to something less eye-grabbing. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 23:37, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
+==Mario Kart: Double Dash!! Manual==
+I (finally) found my Double Dash!! manual and here's what it has to say for Birdo: "女の子に見えるけど、　実は…？" This literally translates to "Looks like a girl, but actually...?" This doesn't come out and say clearly that Birdo is male, but implies so. What to make of it? --{{User|Garlic Man}}
+:As far as I know, Birdo is simply considered to be a male in Japan; the fact that the manual writers for ''Mario Kart: Double Dash!!'' decided to be coy about it doesn't change anything. (For the record, the NA English version reads "Birdo's decked out in her favorite bow and ready to race!") - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 22:48, 9 January 2010 (EST)
+::Yeah, I realize it doesn't change anything. Which is why I asked what to make of it. It was just an implication that Birdo's gender is, at the very least, unspecified in Japan. --{{User|Garlic Man}}
+==SSBB==
+http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2xGWwhVsGE  You can use Birdo {{user:Birdo beauties/sig}}
+:Fake. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
+==Corrections that need to be made==
+Hi, I noticed several errors in the article, but since the article is locked right now, I cannot fix them myself. In the section [[Birdo#Mario_Party_series|Mario Party series]], the game ''Mario Party Fushigi no Korokoro Catcher'' needs to be italicized (it appears in the last sentence of that section). Also, in the introduction of the article, the following sentence needs to be re-written as it is a run-on:
+:''The central Birdo character (that appears in the Mario Kart series, the Mario Party series and the various sports titles) wears a red bow, a diamond ring, she also has some sort of relationship with Yoshi as they are the automatic partners in various competitions, and is a good friend of Daisy, Toadette, and Petey Piranha.''
+Also, I think it would make sense to wikilink ''[[Super Mario Advance]]'' in the section ''[[Birdo#Super_Mario_Bros._2|Super Mario Bros. 2]]''. It is located in the second paragraph. Thanks, <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 17:56, 12 April 2010 (EDT)
+Also found this sentence, which will also need to be rephrased. It's the last sentence of the section [[Birdo#Physical_Description|Physical Description]]:
+:''In the Japanese commercial for Super Mario All-Stars, she wears a very expensive black dress, adorned with a black necklace with many pearls, also she wears a white stole, and a very elegant fan.''
+<b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 18:12, 12 April 2010 (EDT)
+''Also'', in the second sentence of the section [[Birdo#Powers_and_Abilities|Powers and Abilities]], the following sentence is missing a subject, in which I've inserted a blank space:
+:''Birdo has also shown the ability to utilize her snout in a manner similar to a vacuum, using her '''_____''' to suck things closer to herself or even swallow them...''
+If an admin wants to unlock the page, I'd be happy to make these edits, along with anything else I come across. <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 18:18, 12 April 2010 (EDT)
+:Unlock the page, at least for a bit.  Let this new user work! =) [[User:Culex|Culex]] 18:51, 12 April 2010 (EDT)
+::Great, thanks! <small>Oh, wait, I thought you unlocked it :P But thanks for the support ;)</small> <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 18:53, 12 April 2010 (EDT)
+I've made the changes since I got autoconfirmed today. <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 15:15, 19 April 2010 (EDT)
+:Thanks for being patient about the autoconfirmation and fixing up the article! Protecting pages is only meant to dissuade vandals (and this is a prime target, so it's a necessity here, I'm afraid), so I'm glad productive newcomers aren't driven away as well. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 19:39, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
+==Featured Article==
+What information is needed to make this a featured article? {{User:Birdo beauties/sig}}
+It would be easier to nominate it first people don't comment on these talk pages very often but i think it has all the info needed to be nominate personally {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}