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Not to mention the idea- which is often debated- as to whether or not characters die...{{unsigned|Ckoune}}
Not to mention the idea- which is often debated- as to whether or not characters die...{{unsigned|Ckoune}}


: Well kill is used in the sense of the death of a character, while destroyed is more towards an object such as the Grobot. You could replace it with died which would be better. {{unsigned|‎Cubeguy}}
: Well kill is used in the sense of the death of a character, while destroyed is more towards an object such as the Grobot. You could replace it with died which would be better. {{unsigned|Cubeguy}}


I completely agree, but the problem is that it isn't suited to the Mario universe, as I've never come across the word "kill" or "death" (and if so, not that often) when playing any Mario game. Anyway, I think it's fine the way it is now.  
I completely agree, but the problem is that it isn't suited to the Mario universe, as I've never come across the word "kill" or "death" (and if so, not that often) when playing any Mario game. Anyway, I think it's fine the way it is now.  
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I agree with Cubeguy, plus the game is rated E10+ not E2-.
I agree with Cubeguy, plus the game is rated E10+ not E2-.
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{{unsigned|Bigmariofan}}


They use the words "kill", "dead", and even "murder" in ''Paper Mario'' when we think Mayor Penguin is dead (even though he really isn't). Antasma is dead, however you want to say it, but you can say "destroy" instead if you want (and they do say "destroy" when talking about killing Count Bleck). [[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] ([[User talk:Ghostkaiba297|talk]]) 23:12, 27 November 2013 (EST)
They use the words "kill", "dead", and even "murder" in ''Paper Mario'' when we think Mayor Penguin is dead (even though he really isn't). Antasma is dead, however you want to say it, but you can say "destroy" instead if you want (and they do say "destroy" when talking about killing Count Bleck). [[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] ([[User talk:Ghostkaiba297|talk]]) 23:12, 27 November 2013 (EST)
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== Antasma backstory ==
== Antasma backstory ==
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=38067179 {{unsigned|‎69.117.40.240}}
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=38067179 {{unsigned|69.117.40.240}}


:ummmmmmmmmmmmmm why? what do you want us to do? this isn't official game artwork and antasma always has that smile. So, yeah, why are you showing us this exactly. - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]]
:ummmmmmmmmmmmmm why? what do you want us to do? this isn't official game artwork and antasma always has that smile. So, yeah, why are you showing us this exactly. - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]]




Sorry, meant better backstory. {{unsigned|‎69.117.40.240}}
Sorry, meant better backstory. {{unsigned|69.117.40.240}}


:Oh, well fan-made stuff is not included in the wiki articles, sorry. Unless it came from the game itself or the developers it won't be included. - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]]
:Oh, well fan-made stuff is not included in the wiki articles, sorry. Unless it came from the game itself or the developers it won't be included. - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]]
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FYI, Cackletta has been misspelled "Cakletta" in the section referring to Antasma's abilities.  
FYI, Cackletta has been misspelled "Cakletta" in the section referring to Antasma's abilities.  
We wouldn't want to imitate the same mistake that Fawful made in Superstar Saga, now, would we? Cheers.{{unsigned|Ckoune}}
We wouldn't want to imitate the same mistake that Fawful made in Superstar Saga, now, would we? Cheers.{{unsigned|Ckoune}}
== Gone Already? ==
This is weird just like the older games in the series the new Antagonists introduced are already dead now.
{{User|CRode}}
:Technically not true since Fawful lasted the first three games and some shroobs survived the second one, also i must add this is not a chat forum.  - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]]
:It is rare for Mario games to have any recurring main villains besides Bowser. Keeping Tatanga and Fawful around for more than one game, as well as making Wario a protagonist in his own games, were three of those rarities. (ahem) The RPG's especially kill off their major antagonists: Smithy, Shadow Queen, Dimentio, Cackletta, both Princess Shroobs, Dark Bowser, Antasma (as I expected), and, after appearing in three games but not acting as main villain until the third, Fawful. Bleck is either dead or in another dimension, redeemed either way, and Grodus is just a head but also redeemed. [[User:Ghostkaiba297|Ghostkaiba297]] ([[User talk:Ghostkaiba297|talk]]) 23:16, 27 November 2013 (EST)


==Reason for removal of final  antasma battle trivia==
==Reason for removal of final  antasma battle trivia==
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([[User talk:PowerKamek|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/PowerKamek|contribs]])
([[User talk:PowerKamek|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/PowerKamek|contribs]])
<span style="color:red;font-family:monospace">Kamek Power!</span> 23:57, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
<span style="color:red;font-family:monospace">Kamek Power!</span> 23:57, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
:Read the link on the template. It's writing like a flowery narrative rather than straight to the point. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 01:00, 11 June 2015 (EDT)
::Oh, I see. Thank you![[File:PowerKamekSig.jpg|100px|link=User:PowerKamek]]
([[User talk:PowerKamek|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/PowerKamek|contribs]])
<span style="color:red;font-family:monospace">Kamek Power!</span> 01:19, 11 June 2015 (EDT)
== Battle glitch ==
I found a glitch in his battle, and have a video to show the results (I didn't get the glitch itself because I didn't expect it). Before I add the glitch, should I upload the video to mariowiki or YouTube? Also, where in the article should it go (maybe just trivia)? [[User:Pallukun|Pallukun]] ([[User talk:Pallukun|talk]]) 16:06, May 18, 2019 (EDT)
:I think that information would be better suited to [[List of Mario & Luigi: Dream Team glitches]] if you can get proof of the glitch in action. Do you know what caused the glitch? --{{User:Fawfulthegreat64/sig}} 16:11, May 18, 2019 (EDT)
::Yeah I can remember very clearly. The glitch is the fight getting stuck on Marios death; Luigi had been freed from a munchie during a counterattack, then Mario died in the same attack. Both bros layed on the ground and the game couldn't decide whether to end the fight or put Luigi in Mario. I don't have a video of the glitch itself, but of the results. Is that enough or should I recreate it? [[User:Pallukun|Pallukun]] ([[User talk:Pallukun|talk]]) 18:14, May 18, 2019 (EDT)
== HP for the first battle ==
The HP for the first battle can actually be either 4 (if you jump with two jumps both times), 3 (if you jump with two jumps on one of the two turns and jump with one jump on the other turn), or 2 (if you jump with one jump both times). Thank You!
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== Typos ==
The profiles and statistics section instead spells it statictics, and the trivia section spells erroneously as errounesly. Can someone who can edit this page please fix this?
{{unsigned|Shaymiestar}}
== Antasma's English Name Meaning ==
Antasma's name seems less like a combination of "Anti" and "Fantasm" and more like a combination of "Antagonist" and "Miasma".
Reason I say this is because "Anti" and "Fantasm" are both a bit esoteric to suit Antasma in any way. "Anti" simply means "the opposite of", and "fantasm" means "a product of fantasy". It's frequently used to refer to ghostly beings but in truth, it's more of a blanket term for any purely fictional entity.
Whereas "Antagonist" strictly refers to the villain, or the main opposition to the hero, or protagonist of the story. And "Miasma" refers to a cloud of unpleasant odor or smoke, which matches with Antasma's smoke-like aura.
{{unsigned|ImpSassy}}
:Personally, the name always reminded me of the Portuguese word "fantasma", which means "ghost", but I guess he's not exactly a ghost, and native English speakers probably don't have that association. Still feels more fitting than "miasma" though. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 14:21, December 15, 2023 (EST)
::I'd always assumed "phantasm/phantasma" or related word, which is a moderately well-known variant of "phantom" (and cognate to "fantasma"). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:41, December 15, 2023 (EST)