MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/15: Difference between revisions

*Other laws of organization: Basically, if/when this proposal passes, we enforce these rules on a regular basis, and if it is necessary, make rules to adapt to new situations. This is obvious, but it did not seem to work on the page.<br>

If this is passed, and it works, we can make suggesting and voting on new polls easier, quicker, and more efficient. Also, this plan can reduce loading time for the pages.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}<br>

'''Deadline:''' Friday, 3 July 2009, 20:00

::{{User|Zafum}} - It's not really a question of how easy it is to change the signatures, but how long it will take. But if you have the time to change every signature on the poll page, then go ahead. ps. I was the one that made the rule to delete polls with 2 more opposers than supporters

:::If it passes, I should be finished organizing the day it meets deadline. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}

===Enforce No-Signature Policy===

I feel that the "No-Signature Policy" on many of the pages around the wiki have been utterly violated. Many of the users like to use the "letter of the law" technique as opposed to the "spirit of the law", which, in other scenarios, is okay, but is '''not''' good to this policy. Due to many pages that feature the "No-Signature Policy" having limited space, they cannot touch upon the many ideas that were originally expressed when this "policy" went into enactment. As of such, as I stated earlier, many users dodge the rules (see the second bullet in my above proposal about the Poll Selection page). As of such, I would like to create one page that has detailed rules on the subject, and that could be linked to pages that share these many ideas. The page, if created, would most likely be titled '''<nowiki>MarioWiki:No-Signature Policy</nowiki>'''. A rough draft of my proposed page can be located [[User:Super Mario Bros./No-Sig|here]].

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Super Mario Bros.}} ''(With great advice from {{User|Walkazo}})''<br>

'''Deadline:''' Sunday, 5 July 2009, 15:00

I find it ridiculous and annoying that almost all proposals these days are about signature rules. {{User|Dom}}

:I know, I hate making them just as much, but when we have users that dodge rules, it has to be done. Plus, this should be the last proposal about signatures (other problems about the signatures can be dealt with by a minor proposal, per say, on the discussion of a page that needs to deal with signature problems). {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}

===Article censorship===

I want to settle this once and for all.  Do we want to censor the Bob Hoskins article or not?

'''Proposer:''' {{user|Clear Discoherency}}<br>

'''Deadline:''' 11 July 2009, 20:00

{{User|YourBuddyBill}}Couldnt we just replace the word with F*** or sonething along those lines? This has been blown out of proportion.

:{{User|Marioguy1}} - Why don't we just create a censored version and a non-censored version? This way, we can warn users that the non-censored one is bad for them!

===Update One After Another===

I propose that everything on the main page like featured article, featured image, poll, and did you know sections should all be updated between one hour to one day after another, it doesn't really matter in what order they should be in, just as long as they are updated, and there time limit should be one week of staying in the main page, Mario news and proposal section should be the only exceptions. I said this because one time the "did you know" section, it had the same three trivias stayed there for about three months and like six months ago on the poll section it didn't work on some computers. The main page is sometimes confusing to keep track of even if your'e a user or just a visitor to the site, so that is why I came up with this idea.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Zero777}}<br>

'''Deadline:''' Monday, 13 July 2009, 17:00

:Plus, we don't control the Quote of the Day, it is randomly selected by a program. I agree with you on the subject of the "Did You Know" section, that could use work. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}} 18:52, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

::What's funny is that I make 1 proposal about the Poll Selection page, and we get a swarm of them after it passes. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}} 19:02, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

===No Signature Policy on FA Pages===

Thank you and I hope you consider my proposal carefully before voting.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Marioguy1}}<br>

'''Deadline:''' July 15, 2009, 17:00

Fine but what if we see a user edit the page, then can we take advantage of the situation and get rid of my headache forever? {{User|Marioguy1}}

:Yes, that would be fine. {{User|Time Q}}

===More Than A Joke===

So, let's get rid of those templates on User Pages!

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Hyper Guy}}<br>

'''Deadline:''' July 18, 2009, 20:00

KangaFlora: Do you know what we're talking about? {{User|Tucayo}}

===The Subspace Emissary===

The Subspce Emissary needs its own article. It would be good because the [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] article is SO long.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Luvluv321}}<br>

'''Deadline:''' July 22, 2009, 17:00  

:Is Benji's oppose vote even legal? I'm sorry Benji, I think your vote should be removed. There is no real reason for it. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}} 22:49, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

::Betaman: This cannot affect the FA status of brawl unless a user proposes to unfeature it, any such user should instead vote against it here so that we don't have to go through the long process of voting there. I might even ask an admin to delete that request for unfeaturing if it is in the week after this proposal passes due to ignoring the proposal and trying to make us go through a giant process! {{User|Marioguy1}}

===Upcoming Tournaments===

(it would also be accompanied by a date and time)

'''Proposer:''' {{User|WarioLoaf}}<br>

'''Deadline:''' July 22, 2009, 17:00

:::Uh, what has voting on FAs to do with this proposal? Please stay on topic. {{User|Time Q}}

:::Per Time Q >_> {{User|Castle Toad}}

===Amend No-Signature Policy===

Ok, I guess I'll be the first to propose to amend the No-Signature Policy. I have looked around and have already seen an incident happen when it came across signing: A particular system of signing that is often referred to as '''Signing Without a Signature (S.W.A.S.)'''. I would like to propose the question: For pages that follow the ''[[MarioWiki:No-Signature Policy|No-Signature]]'' policy, do we allow "S.W.A.S.", or do we not allow it?

'''Deadline:''' July 23, 2009, 17:00

::::Okay, I understand. He ''should'' update his vote, that gives him enough time to change it. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}} '''22:43, 20 July 2009 (EDT)'''

I'm not sure what SWAS is. Is it something like..... *insert random text here* Luigifreak out. (with no links to the userpage at all in the message.) Also will this remove the blurbs that some people put at the end of all there messages, but still sign at some point? {{User|Luigifreak}}

===Ask A Sysop===

Whenever someone has a question, the first person the ask is...a sysop!  However, sometimes, the certain sysop isn't available.  The wiki should have an "Ask A Sysop" section where people could post a question and a sysop would answer it.  This would be much easier than the tedious process of going from talk page to talk page to post your question.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Ralphfan}}<br>

'''Deadline:''' July 27, 2009, 17:00

One suggestion, a minor one that won't change my vote: Perhaps we should include a list of sysops at the top of the page? {{User|Super Mario Bros.}} '''16:21, 20 July 2009 (EDT)'''

:In addition to what coincollector said, Mediawiki created the rank sysop to be users who are trusted with a few extra buttons, they did '''not''' intend for them to be the leaders if the wiki, no. They created ''Bureaucrats'' to be the leaders of the wiki and they still want other users to have just as much authority as sysops just less power! {{User|Marioguy1}}

===Split Missions From Galaxy Articles===

I think that we should split '''all''' of the Super Mario Galaxy missions from their respective galaxy levels. I have started a [[PipeProject:Star & Shine Missions|PipeProject]] that could help improve the stub articles that would be created, such as adding more in-depth explanations and descriptions about the mission, which planets are traveled to during the mission, creating more specific templates and adding them to the articles, adding/uploading images specific to that level, etc. We could make good articles out of these, but I need community permission before I start splitting a ton of information from the articles. An example of one of these proposed level pages can be found over [[PipeProject:Star & Shine Missions/ProposalsExample|here]].

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}<br>

<s>'''Deadline:''' Tuesday, 28 July 2009, 17:00</s><br>

:::Splitting some but not others wouldn't work, as it would just seem inconsistent and sloppy. - {{User|Walkazo}}

::I don't want to do that anyway, I want to split all of the levels and add the templates and images and etc. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}

===FAQ transformation===

OK, let's see, my second proposal, totally random section and the vote count is already 3-1. Anyways here is the proposal: I think the FAQ page is basically a large thing where users can read questions that they all ready know the answers to. On the FAQ talk page we have asking questions. I ask, why don't we put proposals on the Proposal ''talk'' page or FI noms on the FI ''talk'' page, why do we put it on the main page? I'll answer myself, because it's easier. Since it's easier, I propose we change the old FAQ into my new version (see [[User:Marioguy1/Mariowiki:FAQ|here]]) so that users can actually ask their questions on the real Mariowikispace page!

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Marioguy1}} (but I give {{User|Super Mario Bros.}} permission to man it while I'm away)<br>

<s>'''Deadline:''' July 31, 2009, 20:00</s><br>

::::Heh, guess I should get with the times, eh? Anyway, I don't remember exactly ''how'' the Main Talk was renamed way back when, but I know it's doable. - {{User|Walkazo}}

:::::You add <nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE:whatever}}</nowiki> to the page. {{user|Twentytwofiftyseven}}

===Remove Quote of the Day from the main page===

Quote of the Day uses a processor heavy combination of the &lt;choose&gt; and &lt;DPL&gt; tags that increases loading time significantly. In my tests, it took an average of 7 seconds longer to load the page with QOTD than without, but compare for yourself [[User:Twentytwofiftyseven/mainpage2|here]] and [[User:Twentytwofiftyseven/mainpage|here]]. Other than those seven seconds, I don't see that it adds much to the page. It could be moved to a dedicated page, if people still want to use it.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Twentytwofiftyseven}} <br>

'''Deadline:''' August 7, 2009, 20:00

To Opposers: If you have "patience", you would have the patience to go to the seperate page Twentytwofiftyseven was talking about. This proposal is just to remove it from the front page and move it to another page, not to remove it entirely. And besides, it may be a few seconds difference for some of you, but for other users, it may be several seconds difference or even minutes in some cases. {{User|T.c.w7468}}

===Remove Featured Image Template From Main Page===

Well, I'm am removing my other proposal and replacing it with this. Although I don't think we should get rid of the F.I. completely, I think that we should instead put it on the 'Shroom, which I would be glad to put it under my section ([[The 'Shroom:Music & Artwork Team|The Music & Artwork Team]]). We could still have the voting, and we could possibly link to the voting page on the sidebar, but it should go off of the Main Page (it will reduce loading time as well as get rid of some of the clutter on the Main Page). A link to what the page would look like after can be found [[User:Super Mario Bros./Main Page|here]].

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}<br>

'''Deadline:''' Thursday, 13 August 2009, 17:00

::::I changed my vote description, do you guys think it's good enough? {{User|T.c.w7468}}

:::::Yup, it's valid now. Thanks! {{User|Time Q}}

===Make a to- do list on the main page===

Over on Bulbapedia, they have a specific box on their main page that tells users what needs to be done, what are some featured stubs, and articles that need to be created. I think we should have something like this that everyone can use. I am proposing this because I am noticing lots of articles that have big pieces of information missing or needed, and some of their talk pages haven't been used for so long, it would be silly to put something there when nobody checks them regularly. The to-do list would tell everyone that visits the main page what we need and I think it would be a big help finding everyone something to do. (For those of you that are reading this, please check out SMB's proposal below mine.)

'''Proposer''': [[User:FunkyK38|FunkyK38]]<br>

'''Deadline''': August 24, 2009, 17:00

:Hey, I'm fine with being flexible. Like HTN64DD and Itachi said, we could make it a clear, visible link to the pipe plaza.{{User|FunkyK38}}

::Hey, [[User:Super Mario Bros./Main Page 2|here]] is one way that we could make the Main Page less cluttered. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}

===Remove Some Templates From the Main Page===

Ok, I finally thought this through. I think we should remove the tourney template and the poll template. The tourney thing is more of something we should find in the [[MarioWiki:Pipe Plaza|Pipe Plaza]], and we already have a poll section in the Fake News of [[The 'Shroom:Main Page|The 'Shroom]] managed by, *gasp* [[User:Stooben Rooben|Stooben Rooben]], the same person who is supposed to update the polls on the Main Page! The only thing is that the polls would come out once a month, but I don't see that as much of a difference as the weekly polls aren't really even updated once a week, and usually sit for a long time. So, what I'm initially saying is: Move the tourneys to the Pipe Plaza (NOT in template form), and get rid of the Main Page polls because we have polls on the 'Shroom. This proposal will work in conjunction with FunkyK38's proposal above (she now only wants to add a link on the Main Page that leads to the Pipe Plaza), and an example of how it would look after all of the changes can be found [[User:Super Mario Bros./Main Page 2|here]].<br>

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Super Mario Bros.}} ''(with ideas from {{User|FunkyK38}})''<br>

'''Deadline:''' Thursday, August 27^th, 2009, 17:00

I renamed Pipe Plaza so it's a little more vague and could include any type of community happenings as well as maintenance and such. So Tourneys could easily be announced in there. I don't think a tourney deserves its own section on the main page every time we have one. {{User|Porplemontage}}

===Regularly Update News Page===

Every time I log onto the wiki, one of the first things I do is check the News section of the Main Page, along with the rest of the page. As I write this, on the 14th of August, the top headline is '''''[[Mario Clock]]'' and ''[[Mario Calculator (DSiWare)|Mario Calculator]]'' were released for [[DSiWare]] in Europe and Australia on July 3 and in North America on June 15, 2009.''' Wow, that sure was helpful, forty days ago! On other wikis, even minor news such as tidbits of info about upcoming games/shows/movies etc. is placed in the News template, yet we're stuck with information about a DSi feature released in July. I propose that minor news, such as information relating to an event in ''Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games'' or another trailer for ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' being released, for example, be placed in the News template before it becomes a joke.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Timmy Tim}}<br>

'''Deadline:''' August 21, 2009, 20:00

::Yeah, but we never use that much anyway and we could kill two birds with one stone. {{User|Timmy Tim}}

:::We have [[Template:Notices]], its not protected, so anyone can update it {{user|Tucayo}}

===Create poll to determine North American vs. PAL names===

It seems that people are regularly debating over if North American or PAL names should be used when discussing games.  I think we should make a final, permanent decision by advertising a poll in the Main Page info bar and leave the poll up for a month.  This way, we could find the demographics of the users and determine this annoying question.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Ralphfan}}<br>

'''Deadline''': August 27, 2009, 17:00

Tucayo, could you elaborate on your vote a bit? I don't think it's valid as it is. Why can't we settle this with a poll? {{User|Time Q}}

===Revert First English Title proposal===

Some good time ago, we had [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_12#Use_First_Official_English_Title_for_Articles|this]] proposal that made us use many Europen names, which mariowikians are not used to, so I propose we use American titles for all the pages, indiferent of their first name

'''Proposer:'''{{User|Tucayo}}<br>

'''Deadline:''' Thursday, August 27th, 17:00 EDT

'''Paper Boo Guy:''' What exactly offends you about this? I don't see anything offensive, and I live in the United States. Also, I don't really understand your story about the redirects. You don't have to click a redirect, it moves you to a new page automatically... Try clicking [[Super Mario Strikers]] and see what happens. Unless you're suggesting that this hypothetical person won't even read the first line of the page they get redirected to... Besides, what part of what you described couldn't just as easily happen to a European user who searched "[[Mario Smash Football]]"? {{user|Twentytwofiftyseven}}.

===Merge all the game and watch games===

I was looking at the game and watch articles, when I realized something, they SUCK. Seriously. They are all undescriptive stubs that don't even deserve their own articles. I propose we merge them all.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Vyro}}<br>

'''Deadline:''' August 27, 2009, 17:00

:Is Alan Warp Zone's vote valid? He agrees that they are bad, but he's opposing the proposal. --{{user|Yoshario}}

::He's saying the pages are bad and so we should work on them, and thus, he is disagreeing with the proposed merging of the articles. So yes, his vote is valid (if a little poorly written). - {{User|Walkazo}}