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===Species from Adventure Mode In Melee=== | ===Species from Adventure Mode In Melee=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-0|merge}} | |||
Okay, as many of you already know, we merged the Subspace Emissary enemies in to one article. But I noticed recently that the enemies from Adventure mode in Melee, such as [[Like Like]], [[Octorok]], [[Redead]], [[Polar Bear]], and others still have articles by themselves. I propose these should all be merged into one article, followed by their trophy descrpition, similar to the Subspace Emissary article. Those enemy articles virtually have nothing to do with Mario, and are likely not worthy enough of having their own articles. | Okay, as many of you already know, we merged the Subspace Emissary enemies in to one article. But I noticed recently that the enemies from Adventure mode in Melee, such as [[Like Like]], [[Octorok]], [[Redead]], [[Polar Bear]], and others still have articles by themselves. I propose these should all be merged into one article, followed by their trophy descrpition, similar to the Subspace Emissary article. Those enemy articles virtually have nothing to do with Mario, and are likely not worthy enough of having their own articles. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Garlic Man}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Garlic Man}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': August | '''Deadline''': August 14, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
If this proposal goes through, what exactly would be the page that would have the enemies? {{User|Palkia47}} | If this proposal goes through, what exactly would be the page that would have the enemies? {{User|Palkia47}} | ||
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:Palkia: I haven't decided what the article name would be, but I guess something like "List of Adventure Mode Enemies" or something along those lines. | :Palkia: I haven't decided what the article name would be, but I guess something like "List of Adventure Mode Enemies" or something along those lines. | ||
:Blitz: Those articles should probably be merged with the stage themselves. (Though Tingle has a different role in Brawl than he does in Melee). {{User|Garlic Man}} | :Blitz: Those articles should probably be merged with the stage themselves. (Though Tingle has a different role in Brawl than he does in Melee). {{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
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===Trophy Locations=== | ===Trophy Locations=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|no consensus|3-3}} | |||
I was reading the page of [[Trophy Descriptions (SSBB)|trophy]] descriptions for [[Super Smash Bros Brawl]] and noticed that the page lacks of locations of the trophies. I was in need of finding a few and hoped the page would help. It was rather discouraging to find no trophy locations at all. My proposal is that we add the necessary locations of each trophy, such as which challenge to complete, if it needs to be hit by a trophy stand in the SSE, if it just has to be found in coin launcher, etc. I don't wish to make this a complete guide, just a simple description of how to get a certain trophy. | I was reading the page of [[Trophy Descriptions (SSBB)|trophy]] descriptions for [[Super Smash Bros Brawl]] and noticed that the page lacks of locations of the trophies. I was in need of finding a few and hoped the page would help. It was rather discouraging to find no trophy locations at all. My proposal is that we add the necessary locations of each trophy, such as which challenge to complete, if it needs to be hit by a trophy stand in the SSE, if it just has to be found in coin launcher, etc. I don't wish to make this a complete guide, just a simple description of how to get a certain trophy. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Luigi001}}<br> | |||
'''Proposer''':{{User|Luigi001}} | '''Deadline''': August 15, 2008, 20:00 EDT | ||
'''Deadline''': August 15, 2008, 20:00 | |||
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#{{User|Tucayo}} - Per tanookkitails. Well only a few have got locations, you get some by doing certain things, and others with the [[Trophy Stand]], so is merely useless. | #{{User|Tucayo}} - Per tanookkitails. Well only a few have got locations, you get some by doing certain things, and others with the [[Trophy Stand]], so is merely useless. | ||
#{{User|Garlic Man}} - One of the big reasons I'm against this, is because it has nothing to do with the Mario series. I mean, if this proposal gets passed, some will feel the urgency to put [[Sticker]] locations as well, and that really doesn't help back up [[Mariowiki:Importance Policy|The Importance Policy]]. | #{{User|Garlic Man}} - One of the big reasons I'm against this, is because it has nothing to do with the Mario series. I mean, if this proposal gets passed, some will feel the urgency to put [[Sticker]] locations as well, and that really doesn't help back up [[Mariowiki:Importance Policy|The Importance Policy]]. | ||
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Let me clarify. I do think a few make good points for opposing, I still think this proposal is worth a shot. I don't want to make this a guide, but what I mean is note somewhere on the page that most trophies are found at random, but also put what challenge to complete if a trophy is unlocked via one. And I have no idea how the matter of stickers came up, because, while from the same game, are mainly unrealated. Basically, I'm saying put what challenge to complete to get a trophy, and for the others just note somewhere on the page that they are found at random. {{user|Luigi001}} | Let me clarify. I do think a few make good points for opposing, I still think this proposal is worth a shot. I don't want to make this a guide, but what I mean is note somewhere on the page that most trophies are found at random, but also put what challenge to complete if a trophy is unlocked via one. And I have no idea how the matter of stickers came up, because, while from the same game, are mainly unrealated. Basically, I'm saying put what challenge to complete to get a trophy, and for the others just note somewhere on the page that they are found at random. {{user|Luigi001}} | ||
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===Removal/Merging of non-Mario articles=== | ===Removal/Merging of non-Mario articles=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|5-13|keep articles the way they are}} | |||
This sort of follows up on my Melee enemies proposal. I noticed articles like [[Leon Powalski]], [[Mei Ling]], [[Otacon]], [[Colonel Roy Campbell]], etc, of articles that have nothing to do with Mario himself, but rather created from interest of the Super Smash Bros. Series. Those characters never interact with Mario in any of his games, nor do they affect them. I say they should either be completely removed, or Merged into their respective Stage/Character articles (Character meaning Snake, Fox, etc. Stage meaning, Lylat Cruise, Shadow Moses Island, etc.) Those articles make it seem like Super Smash Bros. is secondary importance or something. (Not, of course) | This sort of follows up on my Melee enemies proposal. I noticed articles like [[Leon Powalski]], [[Mei Ling]], [[Otacon]], [[Colonel Roy Campbell]], etc, of articles that have nothing to do with Mario himself, but rather created from interest of the Super Smash Bros. Series. Those characters never interact with Mario in any of his games, nor do they affect them. I say they should either be completely removed, or Merged into their respective Stage/Character articles (Character meaning Snake, Fox, etc. Stage meaning, Lylat Cruise, Shadow Moses Island, etc.) Those articles make it seem like Super Smash Bros. is secondary importance or something. (Not, of course) | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Garlic Man}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Garlic Man}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': August | '''Deadline''': August 20, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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#{{User|WikiMario}} - I say they should be completely removed from the site since this is a Super Mario Wiki. | #{{User|WikiMario}} - I say they should be completely removed from the site since this is a Super Mario Wiki. | ||
#[[User:Luigi3000]] -Merge with the stage and all will be peaceful Per Garlic!!!! | #[[User:Luigi3000]] -Merge with the stage and all will be peaceful Per Garlic!!!! | ||
# | #{{User|mariomaster10}}-since ssb has only some to do with mario i gotta agree | ||
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::::I see your point. I think right now own main concern should be items, Pokeball Pokemon, cameos, and the trophies already mentioned in the wiki. Depending on the outcome of the proposal we should then turn our attention to the stages like you said. -{{User|Moonshine}} | ::::I see your point. I think right now own main concern should be items, Pokeball Pokemon, cameos, and the trophies already mentioned in the wiki. Depending on the outcome of the proposal we should then turn our attention to the stages like you said. -{{User|Moonshine}} | ||
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===E.T. Templates=== | ===E.T. Templates=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|9-6|use alien template}} | |||
Currently, we have both {{fake link|Template:Alien}} and {{fake link|Template:Cosmic Species}}, and [[User:Garlic Man|Garlic Man]] and I have had some disagreement over how it should be dealt with. I say the Alien template should be used for all species and characters not originating on the [[Mushroom World]], while Garlic Man feels we should keep Cosmic Species. My rationalle is that typing <nowiki>{{Template:Alien}} is easier than {{Template:Cosmic Species}}</nowiki>, his is that the Cosmic Species template was around first. To avoid edit wars, I've brought the issue here, for more feedback over what we should do. Also, I feel it would be best to use [[User:Walkazo/Templates|this]] instead of the current configurations for whichever template we decide to use: it uses terms from both existing templates, and improves organization overall. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Walkazo}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Walkazo}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': August | '''Deadline''': August 23, 2008, 20:00 EDT | ||
====Use Alien Template==== | ====Use Alien Template==== | ||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
I've only included options for one or the other now, as we can't have two templates about the same thing. Another idea I had was to limit Cosmic Species to ''[[Super Paper Mario]]'' extraterrestrial enemies, as then we might be able to include variations of the species that are found in other dimensions, but I felt this would confuse the issue a bit too much. - {{User|Walkazo}} | I've only included options for one or the other now, as we can't have two templates about the same thing. Another idea I had was to limit Cosmic Species to ''[[Super Paper Mario]]'' extraterrestrial enemies, as then we might be able to include variations of the species that are found in other dimensions, but I felt this would confuse the issue a bit too much. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
:Garlic Man: just because something is not native to a certain place '''doesn't''' mean they don't belong there. A Luma came to the Mushroom World, but it was born in space: it's not a native species, ergo, it is an [[ | :Garlic Man: just because something is not native to a certain place '''doesn't''' mean they don't belong there. A Luma came to the Mushroom World, but it was born in space: it's not a native species, ergo, it is an [[wikipedia:alien (biology)|alien]]. If you ''want'' to get into semantics, we can't even call these things [[wikipedia: Extraterrestrial|Extraterrestrials]] because we're not talking about Earth we're talking about the Mushroom World. | ||
:Arend: the only reason Cosmic Species has more links was because Garlic Man added them, after reverting my edit on "Aliens" that bolstered ''its'' link count, I decided to come here instead of retaliate on my own. | :Arend: the only reason Cosmic Species has more links was because Garlic Man added them, after reverting my edit on "Aliens" that bolstered ''its'' link count, I decided to come here instead of retaliate on my own. | ||
:Anyway, I stand by my assertuion that writing "Alien" is easier than "Cosmic Species", though I've designed a new template (see the last line I added to the Proposal) compromising between the two sets of terminology. - {{User|Walkazo}} | :Anyway, I stand by my assertuion that writing "Alien" is easier than "Cosmic Species", though I've designed a new template (see the last line I added to the Proposal) compromising between the two sets of terminology. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
::Oh, no, Luma was NOT in the Mushroom kingdom, except at the very end of the story, if my memory is correct. '''Mario''' was the one who went to outer space to chase Bowser and Peach, and met the Lumas. The Lumas never actually went anywhere besides the observatory. Mario was the "alien" in this case. Also, saying that "Writing Alien is easier" is a lame reason, and has nothing to do with the proposal itself. {{User|Garlic Man}} | ::Oh, no, Luma was NOT in the Mushroom kingdom, except at the very end of the story, if my memory is correct. '''Mario''' was the one who went to outer space to chase Bowser and Peach, and met the Lumas. The Lumas never actually went anywhere besides the observatory. Mario was the "alien" in this case. Also, saying that "Writing Alien is easier" is a lame reason, and has nothing to do with the proposal itself. {{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
:::And at the very beginning; but the point is, Lumas ''were'' on the Mushroom World, and that means they can be labeled as "aliens". This is why I suggested the compromise-template - so people won't get bent out of shape over the words. For example, | :::And at the very beginning; but the point is, Lumas ''were'' on the Mushroom World, and that means they can be labeled as "aliens". This is why I suggested the compromise-template - so people won't get bent out of shape over the words. For example, {{fake link|Template:Fire}} included things that aren't actually fire, yet the name is used because it is descriptive and simple. If you want to add a template about "extraterrestrials", you'd try trying in <nowiki>{{Extraterrestrials}} or {{Aliens}} long before {{Cosmic Species}}</nowiki> comes to mind. Yes, I know you can always seek out a different article that has the template to find out the proper code, but people are lazy, and they get side-tracked (myself included). "{{fake link|Alien}}" seems like a more natural title for these creatures. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
::::Actually, the Cosmic species template was originally made for creatures like Cosmic Bullet Bills, Cosmic Goombas, Cosmic Bloopers, Cosmic Toads, Cosmic Tox Boxes, most of which later got merged into their respective articles. So, it became a template for any kind of species found in outer space, whether alien or non-alien, covering a wider variety of species. {{User|Garlic Man}} | ::::Actually, the Cosmic species template was originally made for creatures like Cosmic Bullet Bills, Cosmic Goombas, Cosmic Bloopers, Cosmic Toads, Cosmic Tox Boxes, most of which later got merged into their respective articles. So, it became a template for any kind of species found in outer space, whether alien or non-alien, covering a wider variety of species. {{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
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:Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to say. And saying that "Alien is a shorter word to type" seems more like an excuse than a reason; the cosmic species template, while the name is longer, is still more accurate as to what it has on the template. Everything on the Cosmic species template are "cosmic species", while not everything on the "Alien" template are not "aliens". {{User|Garlic Man}} | :Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to say. And saying that "Alien is a shorter word to type" seems more like an excuse than a reason; the cosmic species template, while the name is longer, is still more accurate as to what it has on the template. Everything on the Cosmic species template are "cosmic species", while not everything on the "Alien" template are not "aliens". {{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
::Actually, the ''characters'' in the Cosmic Species template '''aren't''' "cosmic ''species''", whereas they're all foreign to the Mushroom Planet and are aliens in that sense of the word (a sense that is made clear in the new template headers). {{User|Walkazo}} | ::Actually, the ''characters'' in the Cosmic Species template '''aren't''' "cosmic ''species''", whereas they're all foreign to the Mushroom Planet and are aliens in that sense of the word (a sense that is made clear in the new template headers). {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
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===Mario Super Sluggers Cutscenes=== | ===Mario Super Sluggers Cutscenes=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|11-4|merge into main article}} | |||
Currently, we have an article entitled [[Challenge Mode Cutscenes (Mario Super Sluggers)]]. So my question is; is this article really needed? I mean all it is is the story of [[Mario Super Sluggers|MSS]] in it's own article. It really doesn't have a point. Shouldn't it just be included in the main article? And having this page gives me a feeling that we need an article about cutscenes in [[Super Mario Galaxy]], or [[Super Mario Sunshine]]. (Note how on those pages the cutscenes are merged nicely with the Story/Plot sections.) | Currently, we have an article entitled [[Challenge Mode Cutscenes (Mario Super Sluggers)]]. So my question is; is this article really needed? I mean all it is is the story of [[Mario Super Sluggers|MSS]] in it's own article. It really doesn't have a point. Shouldn't it just be included in the main article? And having this page gives me a feeling that we need an article about cutscenes in [[Super Mario Galaxy]], or [[Super Mario Sunshine]]. (Note how on those pages the cutscenes are merged nicely with the Story/Plot sections.) | ||
I'd also like to address the length matter. Number one: Does it really matter about how long the article is? Look at the [[SSBB]] article's story (or the Subspace Emissary in it's case.) It's extremely long, but no one is complaining about it. And second of all, I don't mean to put every single bit of information from the page in the actual article. All we need is the major details, because, like Moonshine said, we don't need to know who threw what to who. And as for the pictures, I say we use the best ones and put it right next to the story section, or, if we still want the pictures, make a gallery at the page's bottom that has them in it, and call it Challenge mode screenshots or the like. | I'd also like to address the length matter. Number one: Does it really matter about how long the article is? Look at the [[SSBB]] article's story (or the Subspace Emissary in it's case.) It's extremely long, but no one is complaining about it. And second of all, I don't mean to put every single bit of information from the page in the actual article. All we need is the major details, because, like Moonshine said, we don't need to know who threw what to who. And as for the pictures, I say we use the best ones and put it right next to the story section, or, if we still want the pictures, make a gallery at the page's bottom that has them in it, and call it Challenge mode screenshots or the like. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{user|Luigi001}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{user|Luigi001}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' August 28, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline:''' August 28, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Merge into main article==== | ====Merge into main article==== | ||
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:What is that supposed to mean? {{User|ForeverDaisy09}} | :What is that supposed to mean? {{User|ForeverDaisy09}} | ||
::Basically, it means "Too many spoilers" and "Too long" are invalid reasons. {{User|Pikax}} | ::Basically, it means "Too many spoilers" and "Too long" are invalid reasons. {{User|Pikax}} | ||
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===Princess?=== | ===Princess?=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|10-26|keep "rosalina"}} | |||
Currently, [[Rosalina]]'s page is just called ''Rosalina'' because she is never called a princess in the games. | Currently, [[Rosalina]]'s page is just called ''Rosalina'' because she is never called a princess in the games. | ||
But I found official proof. This is the first part of Rosalina's bio in [[Super Mario Galaxy]]. The whole bio can be found at the end of Rosalina's page. | But I found official proof. This is the first part of Rosalina's bio in [[Super Mario Galaxy]]. The whole bio can be found at the end of Rosalina's page. | ||
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Now we found proof, I think we can move the page. But before doing anything, users must agree with this. What shall we do? | Now we found proof, I think we can move the page. But before doing anything, users must agree with this. What shall we do? | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Arend}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Arend}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': August | '''Deadline''': August 28, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Change to ''Princess Rosalina''==== | ====Change to ''Princess Rosalina''==== | ||
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::Just where is this official bio from? As has been said before, it's not said in-game that she's a princess, and I just checked the manual and it doesn't say anything either. Is this from a guide? A ''Prima'' guide, perhaps? {{user|AgentCH}} | ::Just where is this official bio from? As has been said before, it's not said in-game that she's a princess, and I just checked the manual and it doesn't say anything either. Is this from a guide? A ''Prima'' guide, perhaps? {{user|AgentCH}} | ||
::I agree with AgentCH. Prima puts fake stuff in their guides. For example look at the MKWii guide. They say Waluigi owns Waluigi Industries and Daisy is Peach's cousin. Totally fake. No Proof from NP. {{User|Yoshikart}} | ::I agree with AgentCH. Prima puts fake stuff in their guides. For example look at the MKWii guide. They say Waluigi owns Waluigi Industries and Daisy is Peach's cousin. Totally fake. No Proof from NP. {{User|Yoshikart}} | ||
Wow, after I placed my oppose, there was a rush of opposes following mine... I feel Special. :P Anyway, I do also agree with AgentCH, because if it's not in-game or in-manual, then it's probably not our most reliable source. We may as well move [[Mario]] to {{ | Wow, after I placed my oppose, there was a rush of opposes following mine... I feel Special. :P Anyway, I do also agree with AgentCH, because if it's not in-game or in-manual, then it's probably not our most reliable source. We may as well move [[Mario]] to {{fake link|Plumber Mario}} (hey, a red link!). {{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
The term '''princess''' could be just a "nick name" and not a true title. The "princess that wonders the stars" ''Princess'' could be saying that she is a legondary person. Or maybe just because she is beautiful (I never said that. I've just heard people say she is ;) ). I think that it is just a play on words. {{User|MC Hammer Bro.}} | The term '''princess''' could be just a "nick name" and not a true title. The "princess that wonders the stars" ''Princess'' could be saying that she is a legondary person. Or maybe just because she is beautiful (I never said that. I've just heard people say she is ;) ). I think that it is just a play on words. {{User|MC Hammer Bro.}} | ||
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Whoa, I voted on this proposal? I wasn't going to bother voting because the outcome was so one sided at the time (it still is, haha). Anyway, The deadline passed some time ago, so why is this still here? It's pretty obvious that everyone wants her article to stay the way it is, so can we get rid of it now? Or is this still up for other reasons? -{{User|Moonshine}} | Whoa, I voted on this proposal? I wasn't going to bother voting because the outcome was so one sided at the time (it still is, haha). Anyway, The deadline passed some time ago, so why is this still here? It's pretty obvious that everyone wants her article to stay the way it is, so can we get rid of it now? Or is this still up for other reasons? -{{User|Moonshine}} | ||
:Yeah, I missed this one. Just like to note that Daisy ''has been'' referred to as Princess Daisy, in the ''Super Mario Land'' manual (p. 3: "[...] Now, he wants to marry Princess Daisy of Sarasaland [...] where Princess Daisy is held captive [...] and rescue Princess Daisy? [...]") {{user|Time Q}} | :Yeah, I missed this one. Just like to note that Daisy ''has been'' referred to as Princess Daisy, in the ''Super Mario Land'' manual (p. 3: "[...] Now, he wants to marry Princess Daisy of Sarasaland [...] where Princess Daisy is held captive [...] and rescue Princess Daisy? [...]") {{user|Time Q}} | ||
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===Super Mario Western Show=== | ===Super Mario Western Show=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|0-6|no western show content}} | |||
On YouTube it has become a phenomenon, simply by searching the title. I mean, it's Mario noteworthy I would think, if it's become popular -- I just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion to share on this. | On YouTube it has become a phenomenon, simply by searching the title. I mean, it's Mario noteworthy I would think, if it's become popular -- I just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion to share on this. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{user|Crystal Batamon}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{user|Crystal Batamon}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' September 3, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline:''' September 3, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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:But they were published works, meaning they had to get licensing, etc.; there's a HUGE difference between that and YouTube. Also, we already had a proposal about Flash fan videos (a long time ago), like ''The Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom'', which lost. - {{User|Walkazo}} | :But they were published works, meaning they had to get licensing, etc.; there's a HUGE difference between that and YouTube. Also, we already had a proposal about Flash fan videos (a long time ago), like ''The Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom'', which lost. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
::Our definition of "fan-creations" are those which are created with no official connection to Nintendo whatsoever. Additionally, parodies, such as those on the Simpsons, are included on the Sightings pages. However, the comics, TV shows, movies, manga, anime, and even the coloring books were officially licensed by Nintendo, which means they are just as official as titles such as ''[[Mario Hoops 3-on-3]]'', in which another company requested Nintendo's permission first rather than having Nintendo ask them. Mind you, I'm sure that at least one of the alternate media sources was created as a result of ''Nintendo'' approaching the company responsible, such as Valient or DiC. So, unless you're about to start calling a variety of video games, "fan-creations," you're going to want to know the difference between 1st Party, 2nd Party, 3rd Party, and fan-creations. Ah yes, speaking of: another "canon" source in which Nintendo didn't publish it was ''[[Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games]]''. If you remember, that one was overseen by Sigeru Miyamoto, so I don't think that publisher should be grounds for defining fan-creation either. {{User|Stumpers}} 20:14, 27 August 2008 (EDT) | ::Our definition of "fan-creations" are those which are created with no official connection to Nintendo whatsoever. Additionally, parodies, such as those on the Simpsons, are included on the Sightings pages. However, the comics, TV shows, movies, manga, anime, and even the coloring books were officially licensed by Nintendo, which means they are just as official as titles such as ''[[Mario Hoops 3-on-3]]'', in which another company requested Nintendo's permission first rather than having Nintendo ask them. Mind you, I'm sure that at least one of the alternate media sources was created as a result of ''Nintendo'' approaching the company responsible, such as Valient or DiC. So, unless you're about to start calling a variety of video games, "fan-creations," you're going to want to know the difference between 1st Party, 2nd Party, 3rd Party, and fan-creations. Ah yes, speaking of: another "canon" source in which Nintendo didn't publish it was ''[[Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games]]''. If you remember, that one was overseen by Sigeru Miyamoto, so I don't think that publisher should be grounds for defining fan-creation either. {{User|Stumpers}} 20:14, 27 August 2008 (EDT) | ||
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===Release date formatting=== | ===Release date formatting=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|9-0-0|use country flags}} | |||
After a discussion on the [[Talk:Main_Page#Release_date_formatting|Main page talk]] lead to no decision, I thought I'd make a proposal about it. There are two ways of formatting for the release dates in games infoboxes I have in mind: | After a discussion on the [[Talk:Main_Page#Release_date_formatting|Main page talk]] lead to no decision, I thought I'd make a proposal about it. There are two ways of formatting for the release dates in games infoboxes I have in mind: | ||
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Though the text form is currently in use, I'd like to change existing "USA" to "US" and "AU" and "AUS" to "Aus" there. Or use the flag system. Because this is mainly a graphical problem, I think we can bend the proposal rules here and don't require a reason for voting. | Though the text form is currently in use, I'd like to change existing "USA" to "US" and "AU" and "AUS" to "Aus" there. Or use the flag system. Because this is mainly a graphical problem, I think we can bend the proposal rules here and don't require a reason for voting. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Cobold}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Cobold}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' September 6, 20:00 | '''Deadline:''' September 6, 20:00 EDT | ||
====Use text form==== | |||
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#{{User|Cobold}} Looks nicer. | #{{User|Cobold}} Looks nicer. | ||
#{{User|Stumpers}} No worries about consistency, since images can be updated like a template and the whole Wiki would be affected. (USA Flag can apply to NA b/c there is no North American flag and Nintendo of America is based out of Washington, USA) | #{{User|Stumpers}} No worries about consistency, since images can be updated like a template and the whole Wiki would be affected. (USA Flag can apply to NA b/c there is no North American flag and Nintendo of America is based out of Washington, USA) | ||
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#{{user|Coincollector}} Per all, a pic tells more than 1000 words... | #{{user|Coincollector}} Per all, a pic tells more than 1000 words... | ||
==== Keep as is ==== | ====Keep as is==== | ||
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Hmm, I don't know which would be better. Either seems just as useful as the other. (BTW, I did add a Keep as Is section, just in case){{User|Garlic Man}} | Hmm, I don't know which would be better. Either seems just as useful as the other. (BTW, I did add a Keep as Is section, just in case){{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
:Isn't the text form already what we have currently? - {{User|Cobold}} 15:34, 30 August 2008 (EDT) | :Isn't the text form already what we have currently? - {{User|Cobold}} 15:34, 30 August 2008 (EDT) | ||
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Generally speaking, most gaming sites only list release information for North America, Japan, Europe and Australia. If we start listing every country under the sun, article pages are going to need collapsible release lists. -- {{user|Ghost Jam}} | Generally speaking, most gaming sites only list release information for North America, Japan, Europe and Australia. If we start listing every country under the sun, article pages are going to need collapsible release lists. -- {{user|Ghost Jam}} | ||
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===Mr.L=== | ===Mr.L=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|4-16|don't merge}} | |||
I know some people are gonna hate me for this but I propose we merge [[Mr. L]] and [[Luigi]]. I know he's an enemy In ''[[Super Paper Mario]]'' but no were else. His page is a near copy of his section on Luigi's article, he only appears three times (once in Luigi's clothing), and finally, he ''is'' Luigi, only brainwashed. | I know some people are gonna hate me for this but I propose we merge [[Mr. L]] and [[Luigi]]. I know he's an enemy In ''[[Super Paper Mario]]'' but no were else. His page is a near copy of his section on Luigi's article, he only appears three times (once in Luigi's clothing), and finally, he ''is'' Luigi, only brainwashed. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{user|tanokkitails}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{user|tanokkitails}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' September 7, 2008, 15:00 | '''Deadline:''' September 7, 2008, 15:00 EDT | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
#{{user|tanokkitails}}-Above text | #{{user|tanokkitails}}-Above text | ||
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I just want to say that I believe that the Dry Bowser article has information that is not in the Bowser article. The Shadow Mario artilce has information that is not in the Bowser Jr. article. The Dr. Mario article has information that is not in the Mario article. The Mr. L article has no information that isn't in the Luigi article. {{User|White Knight}} | I just want to say that I believe that the Dry Bowser article has information that is not in the Bowser article. The Shadow Mario artilce has information that is not in the Bowser Jr. article. The Dr. Mario article has information that is not in the Mario article. The Mr. L article has no information that isn't in the Luigi article. {{User|White Knight}} | ||
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===Pokemon=== | ===Pokemon=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|7-4-1|merge palkia, dialga and cresselia into POKÉMON}} | |||
After a previous proposal of mine that was proposed to create the Raikou and Suicune article, I had taken a look at one of the user's votes and it said that they should be merged. Afterwards, I looked at Pokemon articles, and the ones I found where [[Palkia]], [[Dialga]], [[Cresselia]], and [[Entei]] (I am not sure if there is any left). While making a bigger appearance than a Pokemon in a [[Poke Ball]], it's quite best to have those four articles merged with the [[Pokemon]] article. As from what I'm seeing, Entei should stay, though, as he can be played on as a stage. So, shall we merge all four articles, merge Palkia, Dialga, and Cresselia, or don't merge at all? | After a previous proposal of mine that was proposed to create the Raikou and Suicune article, I had taken a look at one of the user's votes and it said that they should be merged. Afterwards, I looked at Pokemon articles, and the ones I found where [[Palkia]], [[Dialga]], [[Cresselia]], and [[Entei]] (I am not sure if there is any left). While making a bigger appearance than a Pokemon in a [[Poke Ball]], it's quite best to have those four articles merged with the [[Pokemon]] article. As from what I'm seeing, Entei should stay, though, as he can be played on as a stage. So, shall we merge all four articles, merge Palkia, Dialga, and Cresselia, or don't merge at all? | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Palkia47}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Palkia47}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': September 10, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline''': September 10, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Merge All in Pokemon Article==== | ====Merge All in Pokemon Article==== | ||
#{{User|Shrikeswind}} - In all honesty, I don't like the idea of Pokemon taking up a butt-load of space on a wiki dedicated to the Super Mario franchise. In the cases of Ivysaur, Charizard, Squirtle, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Pichu, Lucario, and Pokemon Trainer, I say they should be split off due to their playability, but all other Pokemon just don't deserve a seperate page because they aren't all playable in a game alongside the Mario characters. Even playing ON Entei isn't worth a page dedicated to him. You might as well mention his stage on the Pokemon page, because it's such a miniscule amount of information to say "He appears as a stage in Super Smash Bros. Melee." | #{{User|Shrikeswind}} - In all honesty, I don't like the idea of Pokemon taking up a butt-load of space on a wiki dedicated to the Super Mario franchise. In the cases of Ivysaur, Charizard, Squirtle, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Pichu, Lucario, and Pokemon Trainer, I say they should be split off due to their playability, but all other Pokemon just don't deserve a seperate page because they aren't all playable in a game alongside the Mario characters. Even playing ON Entei isn't worth a page dedicated to him. You might as well mention his stage on the Pokemon page, because it's such a miniscule amount of information to say "He appears as a stage in Super Smash Bros. Melee." | ||
#{{User|The Dark Doggy 2}} - Per Shrikeswind, this is ''Mario'' Wiki not ''Nintendo'' Wiki. | #{{User|The Dark Doggy 2}} - Per Shrikeswind, this is ''Mario'' Wiki not ''Nintendo'' Wiki. | ||
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====Merge Palkia, Dialga, and Cresselia==== | ====Merge Palkia, Dialga, and Cresselia==== | ||
#{{User|Palkia47}} - Personally, this is what I see is best. My proposal, so per me. | #{{User|Palkia47}} - Personally, this is what I see is best. My proposal, so per me. | ||
#{{User|Pikax}} - Palkia, Dialga and Cresselia are all pokemon that make appearances on the Spear Pillar stage in SSBB. This sets them apart from all the other pokemon but not from each other, so this is the best option. | #{{User|Pikax}} - Palkia, Dialga and Cresselia are all pokemon that make appearances on the Spear Pillar stage in SSBB. This sets them apart from all the other pokemon but not from each other, so this is the best option. | ||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
Once again, may somebody add the deadline for me? I'm not well with it. {{User|Palkia47}} | Once again, may somebody add the deadline for me? I'm not well with it. {{User|Palkia47}} | ||
:Thanks, Time Q. {{User|Palkia47}} | :Thanks, Time Q. {{User|Palkia47}} | ||
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*All Poke Ball/Saffron City/Spear Pillar Pokemon should be merged, though. Stage-specific Pokemon could perhaps get descriptions in their stage articles though. -- [[User: Booster|Booster]] | *All Poke Ball/Saffron City/Spear Pillar Pokemon should be merged, though. Stage-specific Pokemon could perhaps get descriptions in their stage articles though. -- [[User: Booster|Booster]] | ||
::I agree with Booster. For the stage-specific Pokémon, what they do on the stages should be included in the stage's article; everything else should be in the [[Pokemon|main list of Pokémon]] only. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ::I agree with Booster. For the stage-specific Pokémon, what they do on the stages should be included in the stage's article; everything else should be in the [[Pokemon|main list of Pokémon]] only. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
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===Poll Proposals=== | ===Poll Proposals=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|0-11|keep current proposal system}} | |||
Since the Voting software thingy is working I propose that to keep the Propasals more oganized and easier, we put the voting software thingy instead of using so much room with all that writing of disagree and agree. I mean it's just one click and your done and then you just leave a comment on the bottom. Good idea right? | Since the Voting software thingy is working I propose that to keep the Propasals more oganized and easier, we put the voting software thingy instead of using so much room with all that writing of disagree and agree. I mean it's just one click and your done and then you just leave a comment on the bottom. Good idea right? | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{user|KingYoshi64}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{user|KingYoshi64}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' September 12, 2008, 20:00 | '''Deadline:''' September 12, 2008, 20:00 EDT | ||
====Make Proposals Easier==== | ====Make Proposals Easier==== | ||
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===Waffle Kingdom Locations=== | ===Waffle Kingdom Locations=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|9-4-0|merge into new article}} | |||
Well, since the [[Waffle Kingdom]] is only spoken of in the [[Super Luigi Series]] novels briefly, do we really need an article for every location mentioned? It seems a bit useless to make an entire article on something we've never seen that also doesn't play a significant role in any of the games or other incarnations of the [[Mario series]]. So, it seems like a good idea to merge all of the locations with their own section on an article titled "Waffle Kingdom Locations" instead of a whole category. | Well, since the [[Waffle Kingdom]] is only spoken of in the [[Super Luigi Series]] novels briefly, do we really need an article for every location mentioned? It seems a bit useless to make an entire article on something we've never seen that also doesn't play a significant role in any of the games or other incarnations of the [[Mario series]]. So, it seems like a good idea to merge all of the locations with their own section on an article titled "Waffle Kingdom Locations" instead of a whole category. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{user|Crystal Batamon}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{user|Crystal Batamon}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' September 19, 2008, 20:00 | '''Deadline:''' September 19, 2008, 20:00 EDT | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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::Me thinks we should take the time to jot these things down some place. '''I''' didn't even know about this policy, I voted based on my trust of Stumpers. -- {{User|Ghost Jam}}20:51, 14 September 2008 (EDT) | ::Me thinks we should take the time to jot these things down some place. '''I''' didn't even know about this policy, I voted based on my trust of Stumpers. -- {{User|Ghost Jam}}20:51, 14 September 2008 (EDT) | ||
:::Definitely. Glad to hear you trust me. Sometime in the last year a proposal outlined topics about unseen subjects - it came from articles such as that one about [[Old Man Skoo]] - stubs all the way because the character was just mentioned in passing. {{User|Stumpers}} 22:31, 14 September 2008 (EDT) | :::Definitely. Glad to hear you trust me. Sometime in the last year a proposal outlined topics about unseen subjects - it came from articles such as that one about [[Old Man Skoo]] - stubs all the way because the character was just mentioned in passing. {{User|Stumpers}} 22:31, 14 September 2008 (EDT) | ||
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===Wiki Appearance: Light Red=== | ===Wiki Appearance: Light Red=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|14-24|don't use this skin}} | |||
Alright folks, I guess I did get a little too bold in giving you too many options on changing on something that has stayed constant for our 3+ years - our skin. Well, I took all things into consideration, including the Encyclopedia feedback section, and I think I came up with a winner. Hopefully. :P | Alright folks, I guess I did get a little too bold in giving you too many options on changing on something that has stayed constant for our 3+ years - our skin. Well, I took all things into consideration, including the Encyclopedia feedback section, and I think I came up with a winner. Hopefully. :P | ||
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/Kimi12715/MarioWiki/mainwikibanner.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/Kimi12715/MarioWiki/mainwikimainbg.png | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/Kimi12715/MarioWiki/mainwikibanner.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/Kimi12715/MarioWiki/mainwikimainbg.png | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Wayoshi}}<br> | |||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Wayoshi}} <br> | '''Deadline:''' September 26, 2008 20:00 EDT | ||
'''Deadline:''' 20:00 | |||
====Switch to This Skin==== | ====Switch to This Skin==== | ||
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#{{User|Phailure}} Don't listen to those n00bs, this is epic win. | #{{User|Phailure}} Don't listen to those n00bs, this is epic win. | ||
#{{User|Arend}} Not sure about the logo, but the back is good. It just FITS a Mariosite! why? It has 8-Bit Mario's and is red, the color Mario wears. | #{{User|Arend}} Not sure about the logo, but the back is good. It just FITS a Mariosite! why? It has 8-Bit Mario's and is red, the color Mario wears. | ||
#{{User|tanokki}} It looks a ''lot'' better especially the logo.{{ | #{{User|tanokki}} It looks a ''lot'' better especially the logo.{{fake link|SM64|PWNS}} Now, the color is a bit messy but that can be changed in seconds so overall It's good. | ||
#{{User|Pseudo-dino}} Awesome! But maybe tone down the background red a bit. | #{{User|Pseudo-dino}} Awesome! But maybe tone down the background red a bit. | ||
#{{user|shyguy27}} Per all. | #{{user|shyguy27}} Per all. | ||
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The striking is not funny. This page has no room for jokes; this is a serious issue. {{User|R.O.B 128}} | The striking is not funny. This page has no room for jokes; this is a serious issue. {{User|R.O.B 128}} | ||
:Getting back to the point – I do like Ghost Jam's idea. Is it possible that you could make something like, {{ | :Getting back to the point – I do like Ghost Jam's idea. Is it possible that you could make something like, {{fake link|MarioWiki:Skin 1}}, {{fake link|MarioWiki:Skin 2}}, etcetera; then you could add them to a MediaWiki page that could create a dropbox in each user's personal preferences? Ex: | ||
*Skin | *Skin | ||
**Default (Light Blue) | **Default (Light Blue) | ||
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For all those who liked this skin, go to [[User:Test/monobook.css]]. It is a shared account of Steve & mine for the obvious reasons, so don't go banning it for sockpuppetry or w/e. I will edit that file directly if I decide to retry. {{User|Wayoshi}} | For all those who liked this skin, go to [[User:Test/monobook.css]]. It is a shared account of Steve & mine for the obvious reasons, so don't go banning it for sockpuppetry or w/e. I will edit that file directly if I decide to retry. {{User|Wayoshi}} | ||
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===''Smash Bros.'' Moves=== | ===''Smash Bros.'' Moves=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|19-2|merge special moves}} | |||
In light of recent applications of our [[MarioWiki:Importance Policy|importance policy]], many users would like to see minor ''[[Super Smash Bros. (series)|Super Smash Bros.]]'' subjects merged. One such suggestion has been to merge the special moves with the characters’ pages. For example, [[Hand Grenade]], [[Remote Controlled Missile]], [[Cypher]], [[C4]], and [[Grenade Launcher]] would be merged with [[Solid Snake]]. | In light of recent applications of our [[MarioWiki:Importance Policy|importance policy]], many users would like to see minor ''[[Super Smash Bros. (series)|Super Smash Bros.]]'' subjects merged. One such suggestion has been to merge the special moves with the characters’ pages. For example, [[Hand Grenade]], [[Remote Controlled Missile]], [[Cypher]], [[C4]], and [[Grenade Launcher]] would be merged with [[Solid Snake]]. | ||
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If you would like an example of how this would look, please see [[User:Stumpers/Test|here]]. Please note how the image templates and stub templates carried over. Trophy information when applicable has now been moved down to the larger trophy information section. The only real change is that images have been made smaller. For the purpose of example, I have including the SSB Moves template at the bottom of the section. Unless people really want it to be there, when/if I merge the moves, I will not be including the template. Let me know. | If you would like an example of how this would look, please see [[User:Stumpers/Test|here]]. Please note how the image templates and stub templates carried over. Trophy information when applicable has now been moved down to the larger trophy information section. The only real change is that images have been made smaller. For the purpose of example, I have including the SSB Moves template at the bottom of the section. Unless people really want it to be there, when/if I merge the moves, I will not be including the template. Let me know. | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Stumpers}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Stumpers}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' | '''Deadline:''' October 2, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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Booster: It does also apply to Mario characters. {{User|Stumpers}} 23:19, 25 September 2008 (EDT) | Booster: It does also apply to Mario characters. {{User|Stumpers}} 23:19, 25 September 2008 (EDT) | ||
:About your first comment, you could just use {{tem| | :About your first comment, you could just use {{tem|quote2}} {{User|Stooben Rooben}} 23:41, 25 September 2008 (EDT) | ||
Well, this what I've actually wanted (and some others) and this will definately prevent vandalism. Srsly, we would have to patrol 195 articles if there isn't a merge. Plus, I think somebody went a little too far when they put that Diddy Kong can perform "Diddycide". That's a technique that is only meant to be on Smash Wiki. Are you going to merge the moves for the Mario series characters too, Stumpers? {{User|R.O.B 128}} | Well, this what I've actually wanted (and some others) and this will definately prevent vandalism. Srsly, we would have to patrol 195 articles if there isn't a merge. Plus, I think somebody went a little too far when they put that Diddy Kong can perform "Diddycide". That's a technique that is only meant to be on Smash Wiki. Are you going to merge the moves for the Mario series characters too, Stumpers? {{User|R.O.B 128}} | ||
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Well, it pretty much looks like the merge is gonna happen. :P If it's that big a deal, it's fine with me. {{User|Phailure}} | Well, it pretty much looks like the merge is gonna happen. :P If it's that big a deal, it's fine with me. {{User|Phailure}} | ||
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===''New Super Mario Bros.'' Level Articles=== | ===''New Super Mario Bros.'' Level Articles=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|14-11|merge ''nsmb'' levels into world articles}} | |||
Looking through the site, I noticed we have some articles on each level of ''[[New Super Mario Bros.]]''. I'm not exactly sure why. The levels of ''Super Mario Bros'', ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', ''The Lost Levels'', etcetera, are all merged with their respective world article. (Ex: World 1-1 (SMB) is non-existent because it is already in [[World 1 (SMB)]]). So here's my proposal: merge the NSMB level articles with their respective world articles, just as we have done with the aforementioned articles. While many NSMB level articles have yet to be created, some look like [[World 2-4 (NSMB)|this]] or [[World 2-Castle (NSMB)|this]]. Please take [[User:Stooben Rooben/Proposal Example|this]] as a rough example of what the world articles would look like merged. | Looking through the site, I noticed we have some articles on each level of ''[[New Super Mario Bros.]]''. I'm not exactly sure why. The levels of ''Super Mario Bros'', ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', ''The Lost Levels'', etcetera, are all merged with their respective world article. (Ex: World 1-1 (SMB) is non-existent because it is already in [[World 1 (SMB)]]). So here's my proposal: merge the NSMB level articles with their respective world articles, just as we have done with the aforementioned articles. While many NSMB level articles have yet to be created, some look like [[World 2-4 (NSMB)|this]] or [[World 2-Castle (NSMB)|this]]. Please take [[User:Stooben Rooben/Proposal Example|this]] as a rough example of what the world articles would look like merged. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Stooben Rooben}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Stooben Rooben}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': | '''Deadline''': October 4, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Merge==== | ====Merge==== | ||
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::Yes, I understand. The same can be said for world articles as well. {{User|Garlic Man}} | ::Yes, I understand. The same can be said for world articles as well. {{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
:::Hence why I never said "this is the right way to do it". I just found it the best way '''to me'''. This proposal is past its extended deadline with a three vote difference. Close? {{User|Stooben Rooben}} | :::Hence why I never said "this is the right way to do it". I just found it the best way '''to me'''. This proposal is past its extended deadline with a three vote difference. Close? {{User|Stooben Rooben}} | ||
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===Trouble Center=== | ===Trouble Center=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|23-2|remove}} | |||
*Too sporadically used: basically on average once a month | *Too sporadically used: basically on average once a month | ||
*Most of the uses are incorrect – user or syntax related instead of articles | *Most of the uses are incorrect – user or syntax related instead of articles | ||
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*Users usually ask directly on user talk and get a faster solution that way, because watchlist notification < user talk notification | *Users usually ask directly on user talk and get a faster solution that way, because watchlist notification < user talk notification | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Wayoshi}} <br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Wayoshi}} <br> | ||
'''Deadline''': October 11, 2008, 20:00 | '''Deadline''': October 11, 2008, 20:00 EDT | ||
==== Put it to Rest ==== | ==== Put it to Rest ==== | ||
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#{{User|Super-Yoshi}} - Per St00by. Holy crap I also agree with Wayoshi :O (for the first time :O) | #{{User|Super-Yoshi}} - Per St00by. Holy crap I also agree with Wayoshi :O (for the first time :O) | ||
#{{User|Princess Grapes Butterfly}} Per all. It hasn't been used in months. | #{{User|Princess Grapes Butterfly}} Per all. It hasn't been used in months. | ||
#{{user|Time Q}}: Per Wayo. We've [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 1#Trouble Center|had this before]], and decided to try a comeback. There was no comeback, so I think it's finally time to bury it. | #{{user|Time Q}}: Per Wayo. We've [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/1#Trouble Center|had this before]], and decided to try a comeback. There was no comeback, so I think it's finally time to bury it. | ||
#{{User|Palkia47}} - Its useless. As already stated, its hardly used anymore; and when any user puts a question up; it's hardly answered. | #{{User|Palkia47}} - Its useless. As already stated, its hardly used anymore; and when any user puts a question up; it's hardly answered. | ||
#{{user|Phailure}} Per all, it definetly is easier to use user talk. | #{{user|Phailure}} Per all, it definetly is easier to use user talk. | ||
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FINALLY, someone sees the light. I've been cleaning out Troubles every now and again for months....anyway, I'm all for going back to how it was BEFORE the Trouble Center. That is, each person is given a challenge list with challenges set by other users. It gave a person more of an incentive to help, as it was like a game. -- {{User|Ghost Jam}} | FINALLY, someone sees the light. I've been cleaning out Troubles every now and again for months....anyway, I'm all for going back to how it was BEFORE the Trouble Center. That is, each person is given a challenge list with challenges set by other users. It gave a person more of an incentive to help, as it was like a game. -- {{User|Ghost Jam}} | ||
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===Merge Goomba with bellhop goomba=== | ===Merge Goomba with bellhop goomba=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|3-14|keep separate}} | |||
I feel we should merge bellhop goombas with regular goombas Because they are just goombas in bellhop suits also They are the same thing just differnt looks. | I feel we should merge bellhop goombas with regular goombas Because they are just goombas in bellhop suits also They are the same thing just differnt looks. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Iggykoopa}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Iggykoopa}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': October 11, 2008, 20:00 | '''Deadline''': October 11, 2008, 20:00 EDT | ||
====Merge==== | ====Merge==== | ||
#{{user|Iggykoopa}} Per what i said. | #{{user|Iggykoopa}} Per what i said. | ||
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:Ah. I thought you were referring to Bellhop Goombas. {{User|Stooben Rooben}} | :Ah. I thought you were referring to Bellhop Goombas. {{User|Stooben Rooben}} | ||
::No. :D {{User|Princess Grapes Butterfly}} | ::No. :D {{User|Princess Grapes Butterfly}} | ||
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===Spliting goombas and pumpkin Head goombas.=== | ===Spliting goombas and pumpkin Head goombas.=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-7|keep merged}} | |||
I feel we sould unmerge goombas and pumpkin head goombas because they are differnt from regular goombas For two reasons first they look differnt and they are stronger and second on the whole if you star spin them they become regular goombas that is true but think of this if you hit a winged goomba it becomes a regular goomba but do we merge it with regular goombas no. | I feel we sould unmerge goombas and pumpkin head goombas because they are differnt from regular goombas For two reasons first they look differnt and they are stronger and second on the whole if you star spin them they become regular goombas that is true but think of this if you hit a winged goomba it becomes a regular goomba but do we merge it with regular goombas no. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Iggykoopa}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Iggykoopa}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': October 12, 2008, 15:00 | '''Deadline''': October 12, 2008, 15:00 EDT | ||
====Unmerge==== | ====Unmerge==== | ||
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1337, do you mean [[Astro Goomba|These]] helmeted goombas ? {{User|Bob-omb buddy}} | 1337, do you mean [[Astro Goomba|These]] helmeted goombas ? {{User|Bob-omb buddy}} | ||
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=== Goombas === | === Goombas === | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-0|split goomba and goomba (smw)}} | |||
I say we should split the Goomba article into two articles: Goomba and Goomba (SMW). The SMW Goombas appeared in more than one game (Seriously, I've seen round ones in Super Mario Galaxy), they have differend Japanese names and they look different, unlike the Bellhop Goomba proposal (see below) and I hope this is not like Arend's disaster Rosalina proposal. | I say we should split the Goomba article into two articles: Goomba and Goomba (SMW). The SMW Goombas appeared in more than one game (Seriously, I've seen round ones in Super Mario Galaxy), they have differend Japanese names and they look different, unlike the Bellhop Goomba proposal (see below) and I hope this is not like Arend's disaster Rosalina proposal. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Yoshikart}} <br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Yoshikart}} <br> | ||
'''Deadline''': October 15, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline''': October 15, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
==== Split ==== | ==== Split ==== | ||
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{{User|iggykoopa}} you should call them Kuribon! | {{User|iggykoopa}} you should call them Kuribon! | ||
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=== Userbox Page === | === Userbox Page === | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|11-8-0|trim down userbox page}} | |||
Recently, I stopped by the userbox page and found it to be absolutly unacceptable. Users add new userboxes at will, and often don't care for things such as, I dunno, GRAMMAR? So, I'm prposing that we lock up the Userbox page or at least trim it down. If you want to make a new userbox so badly, don't place it on the main page. | Recently, I stopped by the userbox page and found it to be absolutly unacceptable. Users add new userboxes at will, and often don't care for things such as, I dunno, GRAMMAR? So, I'm prposing that we lock up the Userbox page or at least trim it down. If you want to make a new userbox so badly, don't place it on the main page. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Phailure}} <br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Phailure}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': October 15, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline''': October 15, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Lock the page==== | ====Lock the page==== | ||
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#{{User|Phailure}} Per what I said. | #{{User|Phailure}} Per what I said. | ||
#{{user|tanokki}} -Both sides have a good point we should have criteria for userboxes {ie:This user likes luigi. '''OK'''. This user is friends with [insert username here]. '''NO'''} It shouldn't be that hard delete some keep others and we really need to trim down the userbox section other [I had to remove my own cose the page had trouble loading]. | #{{user|tanokki}} -Both sides have a good point we should have criteria for userboxes {ie:This user likes luigi. '''OK'''. This user is friends with [insert username here]. '''NO'''} It shouldn't be that hard delete some keep others and we really need to trim down the userbox section other [I had to remove my own cose the page had trouble loading]. | ||
#{{User|Stooben Rooben}} - That page has been chaotic for quite a few months now. Many of the userboxes on there aren't needed, as they are simply edited from other similar userboxes. Also, the "This user is friends with __" have absolutely no reason to be on there; these userboxes, if created, should be created only for users to give to their friends. (Just like I used to do.) The page takes ridiculously long to load due to the mass amounts of images and coding on it as well. It's a '''MarioWiki''' page, not a '''User''' page. It's a fine page for referring to how to make basic userboxes, (ex: This user is an advanced gamer), etcetera. These userboxes that say, "this user's favorite character is Mametchi/Luigi/Francis/whatever" are entirely unnecessary – there only needs to be one userbox for that "genre" of userboxes – '''This user's favorite character is ___'''. The userbox can be edited from there to the user's liking. Take my userbox tower for example: Most of the userboxes on there were created/edited by me, but I don't recall ever putting them in the [[MarioWiki: | #{{User|Stooben Rooben}} - That page has been chaotic for quite a few months now. Many of the userboxes on there aren't needed, as they are simply edited from other similar userboxes. Also, the "This user is friends with __" have absolutely no reason to be on there; these userboxes, if created, should be created only for users to give to their friends. (Just like I used to do.) The page takes ridiculously long to load due to the mass amounts of images and coding on it as well. It's a '''MarioWiki''' page, not a '''User''' page. It's a fine page for referring to how to make basic userboxes, (ex: This user is an advanced gamer), etcetera. These userboxes that say, "this user's favorite character is Mametchi/Luigi/Francis/whatever" are entirely unnecessary – there only needs to be one userbox for that "genre" of userboxes – '''This user's favorite character is ___'''. The userbox can be edited from there to the user's liking. Take my userbox tower for example: Most of the userboxes on there were created/edited by me, but I don't recall ever putting them in the [[MarioWiki:Userboxeses|userbox]] page. | ||
#{{User|Phoenix Rider}} - This is definitely something that needs to be done. As Stooben said, '''one''' genre of userboxes that can be customized to the user's liking. Specific, one person/object/etc. userboxes should not be put of there. | #{{User|Phoenix Rider}} - This is definitely something that needs to be done. As Stooben said, '''one''' genre of userboxes that can be customized to the user's liking. Specific, one person/object/etc. userboxes should not be put of there. | ||
#{{User|Blitzwing}} - Per Stooben. Took the words right out of my mouth. | #{{User|Blitzwing}} - Per Stooben. Took the words right out of my mouth. | ||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
Okay, I take that back. But if you had stopped by before I cleaned it up, you'd see how atrocious it's become. {{User|Phailure}} | Okay, I take that back. But if you had stopped by before I cleaned it up, you'd see how atrocious it's become. {{User|Phailure}} | ||
:Rather than locking the page, what about just eliminating all of the excess userboxes? Take [[MarioWiki: | :Rather than locking the page, what about just eliminating all of the excess userboxes? Take [[MarioWiki:Userboxes#Characters|this]], [[MarioWiki:Userboxes#Specific Games (A-Z)|this]], and [[MarioWiki:Userboxes#Other|this]] for examples: they could easily be trimmed down to basic userboxes that could be edited to a user's liking. Also, if there was a "Trim Down" option on this proposal, I'd vote for it. {{User|Stooben Rooben}} | ||
::Same here. The Sysops have enough things to do without having to worry about something as frivolous as Userboxes. Simply let the Users who care about Userboxes keep them tidy, and be done with it. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ::Same here. The Sysops have enough things to do without having to worry about something as frivolous as Userboxes. Simply let the Users who care about Userboxes keep them tidy, and be done with it. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
:::But that's the whole point. The page '''isn't''' kept tidy. It overloads the bandwidth with all the pictures and code, and most are used by maybe one or two people: the people that made them and decided to stick them on there. I have plenty of userboxes that I created myself without needing to put it on the Userbox page. {{User|Phoenix Rider}} | :::But that's the whole point. The page '''isn't''' kept tidy. It overloads the bandwidth with all the pictures and code, and most are used by maybe one or two people: the people that made them and decided to stick them on there. I have plenty of userboxes that I created myself without needing to put it on the Userbox page. {{User|Phoenix Rider}} | ||
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:::Yeah, that was my mistake, I wasn't really thinking about the votes needing to be recounted. {{User|Phailure}} | :::Yeah, that was my mistake, I wasn't really thinking about the votes needing to be recounted. {{User|Phailure}} | ||
::::Um, this passed three days ago. Why is nobody archiving it? {{User|Palkia47}} | ::::Um, this passed three days ago. Why is nobody archiving it? {{User|Palkia47}} | ||