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I find that Blue Toad and Yellow Toad, from New Super Mario Bros. Wii, having their own page is a problem in of itself, and removing the information from Mario Party due to a lack of "proof" is arbitrary as there's honestly no way of determining if the Blue Toad in other appearances are the same Blue Toad either other than continuity extrapolation (though are the Mario Party 9 Toads not continuity inferences too given the common familiar setting and references to New Super Mario Bros. Wii in Mario Party 9?). Are we also removing the Blue Toad information from ''Mario Sports Superstars''? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 18:06, July 5, 2019 (EDT)
I find that Blue Toad and Yellow Toad, from New Super Mario Bros. Wii, having their own page is a problem in of itself, and removing the information from Mario Party due to a lack of "proof" is arbitrary as there's honestly no way of determining if the Blue Toad in other appearances are the same Blue Toad either other than continuity extrapolation (though are the Mario Party 9 Toads not continuity inferences too given the common familiar setting and references to New Super Mario Bros. Wii in Mario Party 9?). Are we also removing the Blue Toad information from ''Mario Sports Superstars''? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 18:06, July 5, 2019 (EDT)
:I see no issue with the Mario Sports Superstars sections, as their use of NSMB series power-ups makes it clear that they are intended to be the Toads from those games. Notice how it neglects to mention the colored Toads that actually are playable but have no connection to the NSMB ones. I would support removing Blue Toad's Mario Kart Arcade GP DX section, though. While MP9 does have some NSMBWii influences, I don't really buy this as solid proof of them being the same Toads. Keep in mind that Blue and Yellow Toad have very generic designs and [[:File:Toad Species - Super Mario Sunshine.png|were by no means the first to look like that]]. There's about as much connection between them as you could argue for Banktoad being the green Toad who hosts the Almost There! event in MP9. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:01, July 6, 2019 (EDT)
:I see no issue with the Mario Sports Superstars sections, as their use of NSMB series power-ups makes it clear that they are intended to be the Toads from those games. Notice how it neglects to mention the colored Toads that actually are playable but have no connection to the NSMB ones. I would support removing Blue Toad's Mario Kart Arcade GP DX section, though. While MP9 does have some NSMBWii influences, I don't really buy this as solid proof of them being the same Toads. Keep in mind that Blue and Yellow Toad have very generic designs and [[:File:Toad Species Super Mario Sunshine.png|were by no means the first to look like that]]. There's about as much connection between them as you could argue for Banktoad being the green Toad who hosts the Almost There! event in MP9. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:01, July 6, 2019 (EDT)
::Saying that we don't have "proofs" that they're the same is arbitrary. I agree with Bazooka Mario! This proposal is counterproductive. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:14, July 12, 2019 (EDT)
::Saying that we don't have "proofs" that they're the same is arbitrary. I agree with Bazooka Mario! This proposal is counterproductive. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:14, July 12, 2019 (EDT)
:::It's not just that there's no proof, there's no connection between these Toads whatsoever other than their color, and the NSMB Toads are far from the first to just be generic blue and yellow Toads. The argument of them potentially being the same because MP9 had some NSMBWii influences is flimsy in my opinion; though I admit I'd be more open to this explanation if a green Toad wasn't also present. By this logic we might as well start adding every single generic blue and yellow Toad to these pages and saying it's the same character, and at that point we'd probably need a page for every Green Toad, Purple Toad etc. and then we'd just have another Toad/Yoshi/Kamek on our hands. To me, considering these Toads the same would be the same as saying every single Koopa Troopa that's playable in a sports game happens to be the same one. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:45, July 12, 2019 (EDT)
:::It's not just that there's no proof, there's no connection between these Toads whatsoever other than their color, and the NSMB Toads are far from the first to just be generic blue and yellow Toads. The argument of them potentially being the same because MP9 had some NSMBWii influences is flimsy in my opinion; though I admit I'd be more open to this explanation if a green Toad wasn't also present. By this logic we might as well start adding every single generic blue and yellow Toad to these pages and saying it's the same character, and at that point we'd probably need a page for every Green Toad, Purple Toad etc. and then we'd just have another Toad/Yoshi/Kamek on our hands. To me, considering these Toads the same would be the same as saying every single Koopa Troopa that's playable in a sports game happens to be the same one. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:45, July 12, 2019 (EDT)
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