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== The return - treat Monty Mole as derivative of Rocky Wrench == | == The return - treat Monty Mole as derivative of Rocky Wrench == | ||
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Ahh, this talk page. My old stomping ground. So many memories here, some good, some bad. But enough about that. | Ahh, this talk page. My old stomping ground. So many memories here, some good, some bad. But enough about that. I'm older, calmer, and marginally less pretentious than I was back then. | ||
I think it's high time we started considering Rocky Wrench as the origin of Monty Mole. Since my last proposal several years back on the matter, there have been numerous changes in how we classify relations across the board on the site, the gigaleak showed several hitherto-unseen intermediate designs for this enemy (often coexisting with Monty), and concept art for SMO and the movie, and the in-game appearance in the Booster Course Pass, has reverted Rocky Wrench to its original "shelled mole that isn't quite a Monty Mole playing dress-up" design. | I think it's high time we started considering Rocky Wrench as the origin of Monty Mole. Since my last proposal several years back on the matter, there have been numerous changes in how we classify relations across the board on the site, the gigaleak showed several hitherto-unseen intermediate designs for this enemy (often coexisting with Monty), and concept art for SMO and the movie, and the in-game appearance in the Booster Course Pass, has reverted Rocky Wrench to its original "shelled mole that isn't quite a Monty Mole playing dress-up" design. | ||
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#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Looks are deceiving when Koopas are involved. | #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Looks are deceiving when Koopas are involved. | ||
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all. | #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|Mister Wu}} Wait, we didn’t yet? Alas, the decision would have been 200% easier if they didn’t design the Montys as actual moles, but we can’t always have nice things. | |||
#{{User|Blinker}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Biggestman}} Per all. | |||
#{{user|MegaBowser64}} Per all of yall (collectively) | |||
===Oppose=== | ===Oppose=== | ||
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===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
You were supposed to be done making proposals on this. You just couldn't leave it alone, could ya, Doc von Smellsick? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:42, April 20, 2024 (EDT) | You were supposed to be done making proposals on this. You just couldn't leave it alone, could ya, Doc von Smellsick? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:42, April 20, 2024 (EDT) | ||
I agree that the whole Rocky Wrench = Koopa thing is an outdated, possibly retconned concept (much like how the Koopalings are no longer considered Bowser's kids). Heck, their iteration from NSMBW onwards doesn't even wear a shell, making the whole claim of them still being turtles at all dubious.<br>Not sure about Montys being variants of Rockys, though. It makes sense in the way that the JP name of Monty Mole treats it like a variant to Rocky Wrench, but given that Rocky Wrench hadn't appeared for a long time until NSMBW with its new Monty-inspired design while Montys has recurred way more often prior to this, it's like Nintendo also wanted to retcon the relation between Montys and Rockys in a similar way as they did with Bowser and the Koopalings, by turning Rockys into variants of Montys (by turning them into Montys with goggles). They got yet another new design in BCP Wave 6 though (for some reason), which, much like their MKDS redesign, harkens back to their classic design, so we'll have to see if it recurs at a later point. Either way, I'll be abstaining for now. {{User:Arend/sig}} 13:15, April 23, 2024 (EDT) | |||
:I'm also abstaining from voting, but I do think it's too soon to say if the design in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe will be a permenant change. {{User:Nightwicked Bowser/sig}} 15:26, April 23, 2024 (EDT) | |||
::I'm uncertain if it will be, but it coupled with the concept art for SMO and the movie indicate to me that they are edging away from the NSMBW design in some manner. Possibly relating to the more classic-style design changes in ''Wonder'', rather than building off the GCN-era designs anymore, but that's getting off-topic. It shows that the NSMBW design is also not permanent or this wouldn't have happened at all, I guess I'm saying. I'd been planning on this proposal for a while, the BCP thing just made it feel more validated. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:33, April 23, 2024 (EDT) | |||