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 == Split Triforce Arcade and LoZ Triforce ==
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-Triforce means two different things, and can't be in the same article. One means {{wp|List of Sega arcade system boards#Triforce|the arcade board}}, which is used by ''[[Mario Kart Arcade GP]]'' and ''[[Mario Kart Arcade GP 2]]''. We also cover [[Template:Consoles|non-household hardware]], such as the [[Nintendo PlayChoice-10]] and [[VS. System]] for some examples. It should be worth noting that no information for the Triforce arcade board has been made available for {{SITENAME}}. Article creation will and should happen. The other means [[zeldawiki:Triforce|the symbol of ''The Legend of Zelda'' series]], and has the loose justification of being a [[Super Smash Bros. (series)|''Super Smash Bros.'' series]] article set forth by the [[MarioWiki:Coverage|{{SITENAME}} coverage policy]]. I propose a split, but a unique one that also factors in [[MarioWiki:Naming#Shared titles|appropriate naming]], because both share the same name, if one of the three support options ends up as the winning option.
+{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-2-2|''Legend of Zelda'' Triforce gets the identifier}}
+Triforce means two different things, and can't be in the same article. One means {{wp|List of Sega arcade system boards#Triforce|the arcade board}}, which is used by ''[[Mario Kart Arcade GP]]'' and ''[[Mario Kart Arcade GP 2]]''. We also cover [[Template:Systems|non-household hardware]], such as the [[Nintendo PlayChoice-10]] and [[VS. System]] for some examples. It should be worth noting that no information for the Triforce arcade board has been made available for {{SITENAME}}. Article creation will and should happen. The other means [[zeldawiki:Triforce|the symbol of ''The Legend of Zelda'' series]], and has the loose justification of being a [[Super Smash Bros. (series)|''Super Smash Bros.'' series]] article set forth by the [[MarioWiki:Coverage|{{SITENAME}} coverage policy]]. I propose a split, but a unique one that also factors in [[MarioWiki:Naming#Shared titles|appropriate naming]], because both share the same name, if one of the three support options ends up as the winning option.
 '''Proposer''': {{User|Wildgoosespeeder}}<br>
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 ===LoZ Triforce Gets Moved to the Identifier===
 #{{User|Wildgoosespeeder}} Per proposal. I like this option the most.
+#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Considering the [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_51#Make_an_exception_for_the_Super_Smash_Bros._series_in_our_coverage_policy|previous proposal]], and how small of a role the actual Triforce plays even in the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series, the arcade system board is more pertinent to the ''Mario'' franchise and should have priority. Either way, these two subjects are not big enough for a separate disambiguation page.
+#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per all, the arcade system is more relevant to the ''Mario'' franchise, as it is virtually another form of console, than the symbol, which only appears as part of various crossovers with little relevance compared to in its series of origin, with probably the most significant being its usage as a symbol for a cup in ''Mario Kart 8'' and ''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe''. Also, in the case of Nintendo DS, the [[Nintendo DS|console]] takes priority over the [[Nintendo DS (battle course)|battle course]], as do the [[Nintendo GameCube]] versions, which I think are fairly comparable here, which suggest the console should take priority over the in-game element.
+#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per all.
+#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per all.
+#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all. The arcade system is more relevant to the ''Mario'' franchise, and I also don't feel a disambiguation page is necessary, so I feel this option makes the most sense.
+#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all.
+#{{User|LUIGIRULES71}} Per all.
 ===Arcade Triforce Gets Moved to the Identifier===
 #{{User|Wildgoosespeeder}} Per proposal. Not as ideal, but at least two different articles.
+#{{User|Alex95}} - When you think of "Triforce", the ''Zelda'' item is usually the first to come to mind.
 ===Both Pages Gets Moved to an Identifier, [[Triforce]] becomes a [[Template:Disambig|disambiguation page]]===
 #{{User|Wildgoosespeeder}} Per proposal. If the previous two options aren't liked.
+#{{User|Alex95}} - They are two different things that have minimal influence on the ''Mario'' series. Because of this, "Triforce (symbol)" and "Triforce (arcade board)" makes the most sense to me.
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 ::I was looking to create an article for the arcade board. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 11:18, 3 April 2018 (EDT)
 :::Should make that clear, then. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:19, 3 April 2018 (EDT)
+We got games:
+*''[[Donkey Kong: Banana Kingdom]]''
+*''[[Donkey Kong: Jungle Fever]]''
+*''[[Mario Kart Arcade GP]]''
+*''[[Mario Kart Arcade GP 2]]''
+''[[Mario Kart Arcade GP DX]]'' doesn't seem to be using the arcade board from my records. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 12:22, 3 April 2018 (EDT)
+Ooh, I'm split on this. On one hand, when one says the name, they think of the Zelda item/object/force/character/inconsistently-defined mass of power, as well as the fact that the arcade board is named ''after'' said thing, but on the other hand, the arcade board is more relevant to the ''Mario'' franchise, as the most the Zelda thingy has gotten in the extended ''Mario'' franchise is some small (instantaneous, even) cameos, and as LTL said, there's so little pertinent information for either to make a disambig page without seeming superfluous....very tricky decision indeed. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:40, 3 April 2018 (EDT)
+:Agreed. I'm leaning towards "best known" and going for "Triforce" for the golden triangles and "Triforce (arcade)" for the arcade GameCube just as a tie-breaker, but it's not a clean decision. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 13:44, 3 April 2018 (EDT)
+@BBQ Turtle: The last part of your argument is flawed a bit; the Nintendo DS system precludes the others in hierarchy due to the fact that it predates the others, which are all based upon it. The Triforce system is named for the incomprehensibly-defined concept from the ''Zelda'' franchise, not the other way around. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:30, 3 April 2018 (EDT)
+:I am aware that the system is named after the symbol and that the symbol predates it, and that what I've said isn't a perfect comparison, but I'm just trying to use it to illustrate an instance where the consoles take priority over the in-game objects (The symbol and battle courses). I'm using them as a comparison for what they are as opposed to their hierarchy. My main reason for supporting is the first part of the comment anyway. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 19:03, 3 April 2018 (EDT)
+== Delete (proposal) ==
+{{SettledTPP}}
+{{ProposalOutcome|passed|11-0|delete}}
+This page is nearly irrelevant to MarioWiki's goals. Perhaps the Triforce has played some major plot role in some obscure Mario manga we have yet to uncover, but so far, in the scope of Mario, this is just a decal Link and his motely crew sport. The trivia section weirdly has the most relevant content, but that's easily information found on [[Great Force]] anyway.
+'''Proposer''': {{User|Bazooka Mario}}<br>
+'''Deadline''': June 21, 2022, 23:59 GMT
+====Support====
+#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} Let's try a little bit of wisdom, courage, and dumb brute force to delete this article.
+#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|Swallow}} Doesn't look very significant in the games it does appear in that are covered here.
+#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|Tails777}} Just about all the information in this article is something that can easily be mentioned on a similar article ([[Great Force]], [[Triforce Cup]] etc.). It's not even a full on item in ''Melee'', nor is it interacted with during it's part in the Adventure Mode. So I support using only the greatest of violent power to remove this article (I swear I'm not a Ganondorf main). In short, per proposal.
+#{{User|Somethingone}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|PanchamBro}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|WildWario}} Per all.
+#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} "Symbol" being the identifier for the TLoZ entity's relevance to the ''Mario'' franchise says enough about said relevance to can it.
+#{{User|RHG1951}} Per all.
+#{{User|Platform}} Per all.
+====Oppose====
+====Comments====