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:::Perhaps make it so users can add something, if they have someting else to say. --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 11:31, 5 January 2010 (EST)
:::Perhaps make it so users can add something, if they have someting else to say. --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 11:31, 5 January 2010 (EST)
:I honestly think it doesn't matter if users have reasons or not(for support votes, at least). People could choose to add comments next to their name or just leave it blank. IMO, it doesn't make much of a difference. --{{User|Garlic Man}}
:I honestly think it doesn't matter if users have reasons or not(for support votes, at least). People could choose to add comments next to their name or just leave it blank. IMO, it doesn't make much of a difference. --{{User|Garlic Man}}
::Yes, I agree with that. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 16:47, 5 January 2010 (EST)
Ok, it's time to come to a conclusion here. Here are some questions with my personal answers:
*'''How many reasons will we keep, with all others after them being deleted?''' Having only one reason from the original nominator is reasonable, IMO.
*'''Will it be obligatory for the nominator to give a ("valid") reason?''' I'd tend to say no, but for the sake of the compromise, I would agree to require a reason for the first supporter that in some way relates to the quality of the article. However, when we're in doubt, we should assume good faith in the nominator (i.e., "I like it" would be sufficient, no need to repeat each and every FA condition).
*'''How do we inform users of the changes?''' It would probably be sufficient to edit the [[MarioWiki:Featured articles|FA]] page, and the message that appears when one tries to nominate an article (don't know how it's called, it's at the top of [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?action=edit&preload=Template%3APreload%2Ffa&editintro=Template%3AFAintro%E2%80%8E&title=MarioWiki%3AFeatured+Articles%2FN%2FToad&create=Nominate this] page). The reasons that will be added regardless of those notices can be removed manually.
*'''Should we make a proposal before we amend the changes?''' I'd say no, since there have not been any objections to the basic idea. Also, it's really just an administrative issue, those are usually handled without proposals.
If you have any objections to my suggestions, please state them. Thanks. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 11:05, 15 February 2010 (EST)
1: I say 1. 2: I say yes, they should nominate it for something. 3: I say put somthiing in {{tem|Announcement}} saying "Please check our new FA policies!". 4: I say no :) --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 15:45, 15 February 2010 (EST)
:Thanks, Tucayo. If there are no further objections, I will make the changes on Friday. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 14:42, 16 February 2010 (EST)
:Oh, one more thing. What will we do about the support votes on the current FA nominations? We can't just remove the reasons retroactively, can we? {{User:Time Q/sig}} 14:44, 16 February 2010 (EST)
::Well, I don't know. Leaving a message on the voters' talk pages would be the best choice, although there's a lot of users that voted and are now gone. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
::Perhaps leave the reasons in current nominations, but remove it for future ones. This also includes any votes posted after the day the policy gets changed. --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 15:32, 16 February 2010 (EST)
:::I also thought about this possibility, but there's one problem: some nominations for major topics (Boo, Luigi, Mario, ...) stay here for months. It would be strange if at the end of the year no reasons will be allowed except for the Mario nomination just because it was already there when we made the changes. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 15:49, 16 February 2010 (EST)
::::You have a good point. And I had an idea about deleting nominations older than X months, but I dont know if you would like it.... If its not that, perhaps we can simply go and remove all reasons. After all, theya re not needed --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 15:46, 17 February 2010 (EST)
:::::How about we delete a nomination if either the article that's being nominated breaks one of the rules, oppose votes outweigh support votes by five or the reason that the nominator chose to nominate the article wasn't valid? {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
I agree, we cant have those forever. --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 16:30, 17 February 2010 (EST)
:Those are some good ideas, I'll think about them and give my opinion later, but we should discuss that somewhere else, as it has nothing to do with the removal of support vote reasons. I think I agree with Tucayo, we should simply remove the reasons of all the supports on current nominations. Perhaps we can wait until they are edited by someone before we remove the reasons, in order to avoid manipulating the time they were last edited (remember that nominations are deleted when they stay unedited for one month). {{User:Time Q/sig}} 16:49, 17 February 2010 (EST)
BTW, are rules for unfeaturing the same? --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 11:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:No, each vote needs a valid reason there, no matter if support or oppose. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 06:05, 28 February 2010 (EST)
::Ok, thanks :) Is that specified in the rules? --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 10:41, 28 February 2010 (EST)
:::Yes, it's all in the rules: at the top of the [[MarioWiki:Featured articles|FA page]], it says that the new rules do not apply to Unfeature nominations; and in the [[MarioWiki:Featured articles/Unfeature|Unfeature sub-page]], it says that "not only opposers, but also supporters need to give reasons for their vote". {{User:Time Q/sig}} 11:28, 28 February 2010 (EST)
==Archiving==
We decided through a proposal to archive FA and Unfeature nominations that have not passed. In which way will we do this? {{User:Time Q/sig}} 08:29, 8 March 2010 (EST)
:My suggestion would be to number them in case there are multiple failed ones. What I'm not sure about is the letter we would use. We could just go with "A1" and "A2" while saving "A" alone for the nomination that passes, or use "F" for failed nomination or something similar. For example, a failed nomination for Mario may be {{fake link|MarioWiki:Featured Articles/A1/Mario}} or {{fake link|MarioWiki:Featured Articles/F1/Mario}}. --{{User:Marcelagus/sig}}
::I like Garlic's idea. (Is it OK to still call you Garlic?) --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 16:51, 8 March 2010 (EST)
==Post-unfeatured Featured Article Nominations==
I recently noticed a minor quandary that we could potentially encounter. Since we haven't run into this problem yet, it's probably best to discuss it now. Hypothetically speaking using [[Luigi]] for the purposes of this example, let's say the article is nominated. Once the nomination passes, the nomination page is moved from {{fake link|MarioWiki:Featured Articles/N/Luigi}} to {{fake link|MarioWiki:Featured Articles/A/Luigi}}. Months later, let's say that someone realizes major flaws in the article and the article ends up becoming unfeatured. However, somebody else works on the article to the point where it is nearly flawless, and decides to nominate it again.
There's the problem; where would this new nomination page be located? It seems the easiest way to handle this would be to move the original archived feature nomination page ({{fake link|MarioWiki:Featured Articles/A/Luigi}}) from "A" to "A1" once a featured article becomes unfeatured. This way we don't get confusion with failed nominations (which currently uses "N1"), and in case we do get this "Featured --> Unfeatured --> Refeatured" situation, we'll have a place to create new nomination pages each time. This also applies to Feature nomination pages of currently unfeatured but formerly featured articles. What do you guys think about this? Approve? --{{User:Marcelagus/sig}}
:Sounds like a good solution to me. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 10:34, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
::If you haven't already, it would be appreciated if you could move those as soon as possible. (I would do them myself, but the archived pages are move-protected.) --{{User:Marcelagus/sig}}
:::Done. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 14:02, 28 May 2010 (EDT)
== All HTML... ==
How am I supposed to make a featured/unfeatured article? All I see is HTML.
Like this:
<inputbox> type=create default=MarioWiki:Featured Articles/N/ width=50 buttonlabel=Nominate preload=Template:Preload/fa editintro=Template:FAintro break=no </inputbox>
{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 05:31, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
:I think the extension is missing. --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 14:34, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
::Good eye on ya. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 15:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
==What Happened?==
Recently there was an unfeature nomination for Geno which was failing, but now it has completely disappeared. Geno hasn't been unfeatured, nor is the nomination still in process, and it isn't archived either. {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}}
:Well, I asked someone like CoinCollector to remove it. I mean, I AM the proposer. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 21:07, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
::Well, shouldn't it still be archived? {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}} 07:59, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Deleted nominations do not have to be archived as they did nothing to affect the "featuredness" of the article. {{User|Marioguy1}}
== N1 fail ==
Shouldn't we add a rule for failed nominations? Right now, the process seems unclear, like how Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story got an N1 one time.
{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 19:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:Ya, we should. I'm debating whether or not to make a proposal about that. {{User|Marioguy1}}
==Re-featured articles==
What's with the articles that have already been featured being nominated? I saw Baby Daisy on there and she's been featured before. Why do articles have to be re-featured? Doesn't it just make people bored?
{{User:DaisyRox02/sig}}
==Images worth denominating==
I've noticed that quite a few feautured articles, such as [[King K. Rool]], [[Goomba]], [[Bowser Jr.]],[[Princess Daisy]], etc. are lacking in images in a quarter/half of their sections. Would this reason be reason enough to denominate them? {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
:Well, then, slap a template on them. Yes, this is reason enough to denominate them. Check out Geno; I denominated the article due to the lack of images. Later, it failed, but that's because I brought people's attention to upload more images. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 03:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
==Rainbow Road==
I'm not in the mood for bumping this nomination, and since a month passed without anyone editing it, it's marked as failed. Will someone please protect the nomination page and add it to the list of failed nominations? I would have done it myself except... {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 03:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
:To figure out how to archive nominations, read the section on archiving. If you require further explanation, look at my archiving of the Rainbow Road nom. Copy that (but update the parameters) and you should archive without problem :)
:Note that this is only for ''failed'' nominations (failed unfeature nominations follow the same process but use {{tem|UNFANOMFAIL}}). {{User|Marioguy1}}
::Oh, thanks. The Rainbow Road thing has last been edited since Augustish. Next time, I'll attempt to move a failed nomination.
By the way, does a banned user's nomination fails too? Need some clarification on that. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 03:41, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
:In my opinion, a banned user's nomination should not fail as the nomination contains merit even if the user who nominated it is banned. If the nomination is something stupid that contributed to the reason that they ''were'' banned, it should be deleted. However if their nomination is a good one, by all means it should be kept. {{User|Marioguy1}}
==Talk Page Proposal: DPL Table==
{{SettledTPP}}
{{ProposalOutcome|green|use the dpl table 8-0}}
Has everyone seen the table at the very bottom of the page? In the section [[MarioWiki:Featured_Articles#Failed_Nominations|Failed Nominations]]? Well that table is currently "experimental" but what it should (and, if you look at it, does) do is list any nominations that have failed, when they failed and when they can be renominated. When an article can be renominated, it disappears from the table. The template was coded by 2257 (with absolutely no help from me though I'll still take some of the credit for it :P) and it uses "DPL coding" which is...complicated. Basically it is self-updating and will minimize the user's workloads. However it also makes it a necessity for archivers to use {{tem|FANOMFAIL}} and {{tem|UNFANOMFAIL}} when archiving failed nominations.
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Marioguy1}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' October 13, 3:00 (UTC)
===Use the table===
#{{User|Marioguy1}} - This table will be much more updated than the (outdated) list we currently have.
#{{User|Cosmic Blue Toad}} per proposal
#{{User|Cosmic Red Toad}} per proposal and MG1
#{{User|Frostyfireyoshi}} Per MG1 & proposal
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} Per all. Much more updated and informative.
#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} How this didn't crop up in my mind? Why do we have this list instead of a table like all the other nominations? The table is a better way of organizing information than a messy list.
#{{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} Better organized, better looking, less fat, less calories, more nutrients, and costs less. Who wouldn't want to make that swap?
#{{User|JF}} Per BLOF.
===Remove the table===
===Continue using both===
===Comments===
The reason I decided to put this here and not on the proposals page is because it deals with the aesthetics and the content of the FA article itself and not with the general featured article process. If this was changing the process of the featured article system, it would definitely take a visit to the proposals page. {{User|Marioguy1}}
:I think it ''should'' go on the proposals page, actually: this type of change isn't what TPPs were designed for at all. TPPs are meant to keep small changes that are pertinent to a single ''mainspace'' article (or a few closely related ones) with the article, making it easier to track the history of that article with a single look at it's talk page, rather than having to comb through the main proposal archives. All FA-related proposals have been normal proposals, so making another change there instead of here on the talk isn't really inconvenient: one could even argue that it'd be keeping all the changes in the same place... - {{User|Walkazo}}
::But this proposal is not related to the FA process, it is related to the FA article itself and how the article will appear. Talk Page Proposals are made for doing things directly related to a single article, this is related to this article and does not change any policies, rules. It doesn't add any new systems, it just decides which (if either) thing I will delete out of that section at the bottom. {{User|Marioguy1}}
:::Whatever you want: either venue would work, I think. - {{User|Walkazo}}
== This FA archiving stuff confuses me sometimes. ==
When I try to nominate [[Donkey Kong Country]], it takes me to a redirect page. Should I change the redirect into the nomination page or just leave it alone, since I know the article was nominated several months ago for FA? {{User:Fawfulfury65/sig}}
: Redirects should be deleted :) --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 00:25, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I got it ;D {{User:Fawfulfury65/sig}}
== Unfeature Nomination ==
This [[MarioWiki:Featured Articles/Unfeature/N/Honeyhive Galaxy|nomination]] doesn't show up on the DPL chart. What's the problem? {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 04:10, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
:I honestly have no idea, it is identical to the Kirby nomination. All I can say is maybe it will update with time. {{User|Marioguy1}}
== DPL Chart ==
Why is the DPL chart removed? Personally, I found it more convenient to have all the links in one page ordered by the last edit than to rather click on some category links. I think the Category links look lazier than the DPL chart. I hope you guys can give an explanation for this. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 15:05, 29 October 2011 (EDT)
:Probably because the DPL extension has been uninstalled... {{User:Bop1996/sig}}
Why was it installed? Could we reinstall it, or is that impossible? -_- {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 15:22, 29 October 2011 (EDT)
:I was inactive at the time, but I believe it was because of the servers or something like that... Anyway, from what I've heard, there aren't any plans to reinstall it any time soon. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}
== Improvement Templates ==
''…not be tagged with any sort of improvement tags (i.e. <nowiki>{{rewrite}}</nowiki>, <nowiki>{{sectionstub}}</nowiki>, etc). ''
Does this include <nowiki>{{image-quality}}</nowiki>? I mean, should a featured article have no images tagged with this? {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 13:09, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
== FA succession archives ==
Is it a good idea to put archives for FA nominations that have succeeded as well? It's quite difficult to access these archives at this time of writing. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 00:01, 12 March 2013 (EDT)
:It's always good to have archives. --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 00:27, 12 March 2013 (EDT)
::So, when is a good time to have those archives? {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 19:56, 12 March 2013 (EDT)
:::Whenever you (or anyone else, for that matter) want. The change is a no-brainer and void of any undesirable consequences, so it's not like you need to bother with a TPP. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 20:16, 12 March 2013 (EDT)
::::OK, but if people want to help, they should use this image for easy access because it's found in successful nominations and failures:
::::[[File:Smg2 icon bronzestar.png]] {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 20:26, 12 March 2013 (EDT)
Well, in some pages, I can't edit it, such as [[MarioWiki:Featured Articles/A1/Baby Mario]], I'll leave it to those who can access it. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 20:29, 12 March 2013 (EDT)
:Actually, scratch that. Most of the pages are protected. -_- {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 20:32, 12 March 2013 (EDT)
[http://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Featured_Articles/N/Mario_Tennis_%28Nintendo_64%29 This] page needs to be categorized. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 17:47, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
== New rule ==
As of [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=MarioWiki:Featured_Articles&diff=1580774&oldid=1577695 this] revision, the staff reserves the right to remove any nomination they deem unfit. Okay, but we have another rule that is supposed to limit a user's nomination to prevent spam.
I'm wondering since staff can remove nominations prematurely, this can render this limit moot since it can make a situation where a user makes a junk nomination, a staff removes it, the user makes another junk nomination, a staff removes it, and so on. Technically, the user is still under the limit, so there should be something to address this potential problem. <br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 14:50, 19 November 2013 (EST)
:How do you mean? If a user makes a junk nomination, and it's removed it no longer counts as one of their nominations, the limit is only for active nominations. {{User|Yoshi876}}
== Rewrite? ==
I was thinking about making some edits to this... look below. These are some examples though, it should be applied to everything. Xs are putted here for not copying the dates. And the format could not be exactly the same of now. Feel free to modify the format as you think it's better. Headers are bigger.
=== Currently ===
==== Featured Articles/Lists ====
<big>Goomba</big> (featured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx) <br>
<s><big>Yoshi</big></s> (featured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx)<small> ''(unfeatured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx)''</small> <br>
<big>King Boo</big> (featured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx)<small> ''(unfeatured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx) (refeatured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx)''</small> <br>
<s><big>Princess Daisy</big></s> (featured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx)<small> ''(unfeatured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx) (refeatured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx) (unfeatured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx)''</small> <br>
[others unincluded in this example]
=== Proposed ===
==== Featured Articles/Lists ====
{| class=sortable cellspacing=0 cellpadding=3 border=1 align=center width=100% style="border-collapse:collapse; font-family:Arial"
|-style="background: #ABC;"
! width=30% | Name
! width=30% | Date of Featuration
! width=40% | Possible date of Unfeaturation and Refeaturation
|-
!<big>[[Goomba]]</big>
!<span style="color:#ccac00">'''Featured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx'''
!None</span>
|-
!<big>[[King Boo]]</big>
!<span style="color:#ccac00">'''Featured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx'''</span>
!<span style="color:#7b4c1e">Unfeatured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx</span><br> <span style="color:#ccac00">Refeatured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx</span>
|-
![others unincluded in this example]
|}
==== Unfeatured List/Examples ====
<description>
{| class=sortable cellspacing=0 cellpadding=3 border=1 align=center width=100% style="border-collapse:collapse; font-family:Arial"
|-style="background: #ABC;"
! width=30% | Name
! width=30% | Date of Featuration
! width=40% | Date of Unfeaturation and possible Refeaturation
|-
!<s><big>[[Princess Daisy]]</big></s>
!<span style="color:#ccac00">'''Featured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx'''</span>
!<span style="color:#7b4c1e">Unfeatured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx</span><br><span style="color:#ccac00">Refeatured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx</span><br><span style="color:#7b4c1e">Reunfeatured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx</span>
|-
!<s><big>[[Yoshi]]</big></s>
!<span style="color:#ccac00">'''Featured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx'''</span>
!<span style="color:#7b4c1e">Unfeatured at xx:xx, xx xx xxxx</span>
|-
![others unincluded in this example]
|}
If you others agree, I'll try to make this work myself as faster I can. Oh, another thing? How about adding [[File:Smg2 icon bronzestar.png]] at Unfeatured articles previously Featured? {{User:Tsunami/sig}}<br>
I saw you asked Glowsquid about putting the articles in alphabetical order, though it is actually organized: by the date it became an FA on. So I don't know about reordering. I also am unsure about the tables as well. I definitely think no UNFA Star, though, because they're really no different from standard articles and I don't think they're unique or special because they were ever featured before. {{User:'Shroom64/sig}}
:OK, that start was one of my worse ideas. But I sincerely don't know if it's better organized by date or name... I personally got a bit lost. And FA and UNFA articles toghter make all more confusionary. If you don't like tables, I think the format can be keeped, but I mainly proposed this because UNFA should be in another section, under FA. {{User:Tsunami/sig}}
== I have a question ==
About unfeaturing articles. That happens when it doesn't meet the requirements anymore, right? Well if that happens, could we not just ''fix'' the page again? --{{User:Koopakoolklub/sig}} 21:57, 25 November 2014 (EST)
:Huh? Could you clarify? {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 22:54, 25 November 2014 (EST)
::@BabyLuigi Think of the question as "Since unfeaturing FAs happens when they don't meet all the requirements anymore, can't we just fix the article up?" I thought it was obvious that UNFAs can fail if before the article didn't meet the requirements anymore, UNFA is proposed and in the meanwhile all requirements are met. Only that if more people denote the bad FA status, there is often not much time to fix everything. {{User:Tsunami/sig}}
== Paper Mario unfeature time is wrong ==
It says that the article got unfeatured in 2005. How is that possible when the article first got featured in 2009? &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 09:02, 27 March 2017 (EDT)
:My mistake, I must've absentmindedly hit the wrong key when originally doing all that stuff. Fixed it now. {{User|Yoshi876}}
== Header ==
Shouldn't this article have a {{fake link|MarioWIki:Featured articles/Header}}, like [[MarioWiki:Proposals]] and [[MarioWiki:Staff noticeboard]] (and probaly more) have? {{User:YoshiEgg1990/sig}} 13:57, 18 July 2018 (EDT)
==More media==
Per the comments on [[MarioWiki:Featured articles/Unfeature/N1/Super Smash Bros. Melee|this unfeature nomination]], should we make it a rule that improvement tags made and added to an article after the article's featuring, like {{tem|more media}}, don't count towards the "thou shalt not have notice templates on FAs" rule? {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 16:27, August 11, 2019 (EDT)
:Well, better late than never.
:Technically, not necessarily. Sometimes issues are found post-nomination that require a tag to be written up and stamped to point out its flaws. I remember unfeaturing Mario Kart 64 and adding a rewrite-expand tag as it was featured since I thought it lacked information, which slipped through the cracks. However, for the multi-media tag, that was mass post-humously added to a lot of articles, including featured ones, and I think unfeaturing every single article that has that tag would needlessly destroy Featured Articles. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 00:09, September 16, 2020 (EDT)
== [[Super Mario 3D World]] ==
Why is Super Mario 3D World not featured yet? {{User:Wynn Liaw/sig}}
== On page, or off page? ==
Why are (un)feature article nominations on separate pages than their talk? It would remove the hassle of having to move and delete it. {{User:DarkNight/sig}} 19:29, September 28, 2020 (EDT)
:It's cleaner and easier to manage and take a look through than be another header in their respective talk page articles. Moving isn't that much of a hassle to begin with, since newer wiki software lets me delete redirects as soon as I move the page. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 19:44, September 28, 2020 (EDT)
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