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== Split ''Donkey Kong 64'''s Buzzard from Necky == | == Split ''Donkey Kong 64'''s Buzzard from Necky == | ||
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{{ProposalOutcome|passed|3-4-1|Split enemy Buzzard into its own article}} | |||
This is an equivalence that I don't really understand. It's never been confirmed to be a Necky to my knowledge; really, the assumed connection seems to be based solely on the fact that it resembles a Necky, as though Neckys are the only cartoon vultures to have a white tuft around their neck and a bald-looking head. Also keep in mind that the two Buzzards only appear in [[Angry Aztec]], a desert, not unlike how it is a common trope for buzzards to be found in desolate wastelands. | This is an equivalence that I don't really understand. It's never been confirmed to be a Necky to my knowledge; really, the assumed connection seems to be based solely on the fact that it resembles a Necky, as though Neckys are the only cartoon vultures to have a white tuft around their neck and a bald-looking head. Also keep in mind that the two Buzzards only appear in [[Angry Aztec]], a desert, not unlike how it is a common trope for buzzards to be found in desolate wastelands. | ||
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=== Merge Buzzard into Buzzard (character), rename to just "Buzzard" === | === Merge Buzzard into Buzzard (character), rename to just "Buzzard" === | ||
#{{User|DrippingYellow}} Per proposal. | #{{User|DrippingYellow}} Per proposal. | ||
#{{User|TheUndescribableGhost}} Huh. Really weird situation that nobody caught. I can see the honest doubt of these because a lot of sources don't even come close to calling them Neckies. I'm for merging the racer as well because I doubt Rare really cared about the distinction between these two and is awkward splitting. We can consider these guys either comparable or relatives of Neckies. | |||
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} Per all | |||
=== Split enemy Buzzard into its own article === | === Split enemy Buzzard into its own article === | ||
#{{User|Hewer}} Per proposal on these as Neckies being speculation, but I disagree with merging it with the racing Buzzard since the appearance sets it apart quite a bit, and [[Goomba (Mario Party 4)|there]] [[Boo (Mario Party 4)|is]] [[Shy Guy (Mario Party 4)|prece]][[Koopa Troopa (Mario Party 4)|dent]] for splitting generically-named characters due to a unique appearance. | #{{User|Hewer}} Per proposal on these as Neckies being speculation, but I disagree with merging it with the racing Buzzard since the appearance sets it apart quite a bit, and [[Goomba (Mario Party 4)|there]] [[Boo (Mario Party 4)|is]] [[Shy Guy (Mario Party 4)|prece]][[Koopa Troopa (Mario Party 4)|dent]] for splitting generically-named characters due to a unique appearance. | ||
#{{User|PrincessPeachFan}}: It looks wildly different from Neckies. | #{{User|PrincessPeachFan}}: It looks wildly different from Neckies. | ||
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per all. | |||
=== Do nothing === | === Do nothing === | ||
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::It's a vulture in a Donkey Kong game that looks evil, therefore it ''has'' to be a Necky, and could not have possibly been intended as anything else? These kinds of assumptions just do not sit right with me. Do keep in mind that neither Buzzard is a standard enemy: both are one-off characters triggered solely as part of a Golden Banana event, with one being a nuisance and one being a racer. Out of all the DKC1 enemies they brought back, why would the Necky of all enemies be chosen for a unique role? Why, out of all of the unique ''Banjo-Kazooie''-esque one-offs, are ''these'' a returning species? [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 12:20, February 5, 2024 (EST) | ::It's a vulture in a Donkey Kong game that looks evil, therefore it ''has'' to be a Necky, and could not have possibly been intended as anything else? These kinds of assumptions just do not sit right with me. Do keep in mind that neither Buzzard is a standard enemy: both are one-off characters triggered solely as part of a Golden Banana event, with one being a nuisance and one being a racer. Out of all the DKC1 enemies they brought back, why would the Necky of all enemies be chosen for a unique role? Why, out of all of the unique ''Banjo-Kazooie''-esque one-offs, are ''these'' a returning species? [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 12:20, February 5, 2024 (EST) | ||
:::Alongside the game's various other recurring species? It still counts as an enemy, just a one-time enemy - you have to attack it for a reward. Anyways, as I have said in many other DK64 discussions before, the designers and developers are publicly reachable and like sharing details of the game's development cycle, so there's nothing stopping someone from asking for a more solid answer on this either way. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:47, February 5, 2024 (EST) | :::Alongside the game's various other recurring species? It still counts as an enemy, just a one-time enemy - you have to attack it for a reward. Anyways, as I have said in many other DK64 discussions before, the designers and developers are publicly reachable and like sharing details of the game's development cycle, so there's nothing stopping someone from asking for a more solid answer on this either way. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:47, February 5, 2024 (EST) | ||
::::Alright, I [https://twitter.com/DrippingYellow/status/1754586529387688005 tweeted something] at a few of the developers to try and get an answer, and I haven't gotten anything yet, even though the developers are active on Twitter/X and do reply to other stuff (from what I can tell, usually of their own volition and never from being tweeted at). We'll see, though... [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 14:07, February 6, 2024 (EST) | |||
Why would the first option move the page to "Buzzard (''Donkey Kong 64'')"? There doesn't seem to be any other Buzzard pages that would make an identifier needed. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 11:50, February 5, 2024 (EST) | Why would the first option move the page to "Buzzard (''Donkey Kong 64'')"? There doesn't seem to be any other Buzzard pages that would make an identifier needed. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 11:50, February 5, 2024 (EST) | ||
:I guess I was thinking of the Buzzards in ''[[Donkey Kong Country Barrel Maze]]''. Thinking about it now, I guess these one-off labels generally don't have priority over articles that are actually named these generic labels, so I guess just "Buzzard" would suffice. [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 12:26, February 5, 2024 (EST) | :I guess I was thinking of the Buzzards in ''[[Donkey Kong Country Barrel Maze]]''. Thinking about it now, I guess these one-off labels generally don't have priority over articles that are actually named these generic labels, so I guess just "Buzzard" would suffice. [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 12:26, February 5, 2024 (EST) | ||
::Just occurred to me that if we're gonna have two different Buzzard articles both about unique individuals, they'll probably need identifiers anyway, but not "(character)" or "(''Donkey Kong 64'')". Maybe "(enemy)" for this one? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 17:31, February 14, 2024 (EST) | |||
The reason why I support splitting this from Necky is because like a couple of others have said, the Buzzard looks so wildly different, trying to say it is a Necky is just speculation and indicates that it's one of those things from the early days that was not noticed until recently. Also, even if it did get renamed, others got renamed too even if it's to generic names like Gnawties which are only called that in the manual with literally everything else calling them "Beavers." [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 13:14, February 5, 2024 (EST) | The reason why I support splitting this from Necky is because like a couple of others have said, the Buzzard looks so wildly different, trying to say it is a Necky is just speculation and indicates that it's one of those things from the early days that was not noticed until recently. Also, even if it did get renamed, others got renamed too even if it's to generic names like Gnawties which are only called that in the manual with literally everything else calling them "Beavers." [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 13:14, February 5, 2024 (EST) | ||